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Blind Eleven
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.23 04:11:00 -
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I have gone through a number of builds, using single ships, for level 4 missions. I usually have to use eve survival, to do things the right way. I'm wondering what 2 ships could you bring into a level 4, in order pull the entire room (hardest mission lets say) and still get things done in an effective manner? |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.23 04:14:00 -
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Navy Scorp can probably do it solo. At least mine does.
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat desert first! |
Tarn Kugisa
Space Mongolian
Pinked
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Posted - 2012.03.23 05:07:00 -
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2 properly fit Tengu's with a compliment of 2 highly trained Tengu Pilots
Real Caldari Hull Tank (And Win doing so)
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Danilo Umqua
Calx quod Silicis
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Posted - 2012.03.23 05:36:00 -
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My buddy and i run them with me in a Mach, and him in a Tengu |
Ifly Uwalk
Concentrated Evil
Mining For Profit Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.23 05:40:00 -
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A CNR and... hm... a CNR? |
Blind Eleven
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.23 05:48:00 -
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I was thinking I would need some support ship based on low skills...It sounds like everyone here has a lot of SP? |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.23 06:07:00 -
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Blind Eleven wrote:I was thinking I would need some support ship based on low skills...It sounds like everyone here has a lot of SP?
To be fair, mine are maxed out. No faction mods though.
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat desert first! |
Reaver Glitterstim
Resurrected Darkness
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Posted - 2012.03.23 06:57:00 -
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Blind Eleven wrote:I was thinking I would need some support ship based on low skills...It sounds like everyone here has a lot of SP?
You can run just about any level 4 mission in a dominix pretty easily if you have any decent tank skills. Any t1 battleship is competent to run level 4 missions in fact, except a scorpion. If you want to bring a friend along to make thing easier, try bringing 2 drakes.
My suggestions aren't "the best" and they aren't any sort of overkill. Rather, they are simple, easy, cheap, and not so skill-intensive--great for newer and poorer pilots who are more likely to be asking this question. So ignore the bitter vets here suggesting overkill setups. Just try any combination of battleships and/or drakes. You can throw on some logistics drones or logistics modules in any leftover high slots if you need a bit of extra tank.
Another trick is to fit one ship for really high tank and fly it in first, and have it aggro everything. Then fly in the other ship, this one can be any battlecruiser in fact, and tier 3 battlecruisers work especially well. The trick is to read your survival report carefully and make sure the dps ship isn't getting hit. It makes missions pretty easy. I was running some level 4s that way dual-boxing with a maelstrom and a tornado. I've also flown the maelstrom with a friend who tanked using a vagabond by popping the frigates super fast and speeding around so fast nothing else could hit him.
Hope that helps.
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i'm strangely comfortable with it"
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Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2012.03.23 07:43:00 -
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If you're good with caldari double drakes is a nice way to go. Can easily fit it for 300-350 dps a piece and each tank 500-600 omni passive. Personally i like running a perma run battleship tank about 1-2k tank with a t3 support dps bc such as the talos.
Svo. |
Crellion
Parental Control
HELL4S
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Posted - 2012.03.23 09:09:00 -
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Svodola Darkfury wrote:If you're good with caldari double drakes is a nice way to go. Can easily fit it for 300-350 dps a piece and each tank 500-600 omni passive. Personally i like running a perma run battleship tank about 1-2k tank with a t3 support dps bc such as the talos.
Svo.
Not saying this is wrong per se but if you bring the BS tank down and max it's dps you will make more $$$, tier 3 for support is good idea. |
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Bibosikus
Inside out.
The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2012.03.23 12:17:00 -
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If you're dual-boxing you could try Rattlesnake tank and Marauder/Mach/Nightmare gank fit for dps depending on rat type.
Yes, two dps boats is probably quicker, but personally I find going back & forth between screens a bore. The Rattler can acquire & tank full agggro, put out sentries and assist your gank boat, then you simply leave it alone.
The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
GreenSeed
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Posted - 2012.03.23 12:37:00 -
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Bibosikus wrote:If you're dual-boxing you could try Rattlesnake tank and Marauder/Mach/Nightmare gank fit for dps depending on rat type.
Yes, two dps boats is probably quicker, but personally I find going back & forth between screens a bore. The Rattler can acquire & tank full agggro, put out sentries and assist your gank boat, then you simply leave it alone.
this.
if you have limited skills on both accounts this will be your best bet.
with less than a month of training an overtanked rattler can pull whole rooms for only 600m. it wont be cap stable running 2 invuls, so keep that in mind.
just put a bunch of rechargers on the lows, extenders on the mids, and 2 invuls and your set to go. usually around 120k ehp + 400 hp/s at peak regen.
with and extra 900m on it in the form of t2 extenders or purgers (i would go for extenders) you can pull any bonus room.
this will also allow you to change the fit on your dps boat since you dont really need tank on it.
as far as DPS goes, its better if you just use a flight of lights "guarding" the DPS boat, the light drones will go auto agro on the frigates, then destroyers, cruisers, etc etc... while your dps can focus on the big ships. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:14:00 -
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an XL booster tengu can easily have over 2k capstable tank, if you are willing to cash out ~2bil |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2012.03.23 14:10:00 -
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A pair of arty 'canes can bring the isk home nicely, too.
For less T2 fitted cost than the hull cost of one T3 cruiser. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.23 14:21:00 -
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how are you expected to tank dread pirate scarlet with two canes? |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2012.03.23 14:52:00 -
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Did Dread Pirate Scarlet with a 'cane and a Stabber.
You can't just sit there and let them hit you, you have to actually fly your ships to do it. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.03.23 14:59:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Did Dread Pirate Scarlet with a 'cane and a Stabber.
You can't just sit there and let them hit you, you have to actually fly your ships to do it.
well then this kind of defeats the purpose of lvl4s (which is watching p0rn while making isk, obviously). |
Morigan Omega
Omega Technologies
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Posted - 2012.03.23 15:07:00 -
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Single Tengu can usually pull it off, as long as you don't get webbed and keep your distance! Never sit still! |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2012.03.23 15:35:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Buzzy Warstl wrote:Did Dread Pirate Scarlet with a 'cane and a Stabber.
You can't just sit there and let them hit you, you have to actually fly your ships to do it. well then this kind of defeats the purpose of lvl4s (which is watching p0rn while making isk, obviously).
I concede one internets to you sir, well played. |
Lorkin Desal
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2012.03.25 11:30:00 -
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vs Guristas [Cheap Rattler]
[Rattlesnake, cheap guristas]
Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Torpedo
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Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Target Painter II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Damage Control II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
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Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Ogre II x5
Bouncer II x5
Warrior II x5
Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Turn on hardeners, glance at screen every 5 mins to recall sentries and begin new wave. (costs less then a navy raven too) |
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drdxie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.26 00:18:00 -
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1 Tengu not fit cookie cutter fit will tank entire rooms.. the second ship can have less tank and more gank... I don't read mission guides, warp squad to mission, my second account is a NM. Tengu gets there first.. draw room aggro and orbit NM, don't need to though as speed is not my tank. Tengu is 6 launcher fit with a large faction SB and is cap stable. Tengu's EVE HQ omni tank is just over 900DPS. Need to keep an eye out for neuting BS in Blood missions, but NM deals with them swiftly and has a large power and shield transfer just in case.. haven't got to use them yet. If not in Amarr I use tengu and Maelstrom combo.
If you want something cheaper and easier on SP.. Navy scorp works great. Rattlesnake is too slow in my opinion. Otherwise drakes will do.. but slowly |
Argaral
The Riot Formation
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.03.26 01:07:00 -
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drdxie wrote:1 Tengu not fit cookie cutter fit will tank entire rooms.. the second ship can have less tank and more gank... I don't read mission guides, warp squad to mission, my second account is a NM. Tengu gets there first.. draw room aggro and orbit NM, don't need to though as speed is not my tank. Tengu is 6 launcher fit with a large faction SB and is cap stable. Tengu's EVE HQ omni tank is just over 900DPS. Need to keep an eye out for neuting BS in Blood missions, but NM deals with them swiftly and has a large power and shield transfer just in case.. haven't got to use them yet. If not in Amarr I use tengu and Maelstrom combo.
If you want something cheaper and easier on SP.. Navy scorp works great. Rattlesnake is too slow in my opinion. Otherwise drakes will do.. but slowly
I'd like to disprove this. In Amarr space I use the rattlesnake to great effect. While its shielding is not "optimal" Its near 90% resists laugh at NPC damage. Combined this with its dps at up to 49km with Amarr sentries which are actually decent, combined with cruise missiles for 49km rats allow it to melt things. As a partner, a Paladin makes a brilliant addition. It allows you to suck up all the loot for the missions while focusing its Tachyons on anything that needs breaking quickly, combine this with its drones on frigates and you have two ships that demolish missions very very quickly. The blockade? Welcome to an isk Vacuum.
T2 guns and drones are obviously required, but you'll make the isk on a non deadspace fit back within roughly 1 week casually playing. And I mean enjoying your weekend too.
Edit: I believed "combined" is now my political slogan for CSM 8 |
Eian
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.26 05:34:00 -
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Blind Eleven wrote:I have gone through a number of builds, using single ships, for level 4 missions. I usually have to use eve survival, to do things the right way. I'm wondering what 2 ships could you bring into a level 4, in order pull the entire room (hardest mission lets say) and still get things done in an effective manner?
Ahh my Tengu can pull any full lvl 4 room. You don't need two ships. |
SidtheKid100
Order of the Black Dagger
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:21:00 -
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Eian wrote:Blind Eleven wrote:I have gone through a number of builds, using single ships, for level 4 missions. I usually have to use eve survival, to do things the right way. I'm wondering what 2 ships could you bring into a level 4, in order pull the entire room (hardest mission lets say) and still get things done in an effective manner? Ahh my Tengu can pull any full lvl 4 room. You don't need two ships.
Pretty much this. A relatively cheap Tengu with 2 B-type Gistii small shield boosters can tank any L4,
with spare midslots for EWAR. This includes AE Bonus Room, and all sides of Worlds Collide.
Slap a shield boost amplifier on it if you're having tank issues.
It does take a little thought though. Keep your transversal up, and focus any webbers/scrambling frigs/towers ASAP.
10mn Afterburner + Orbit at 10k is your friend.
I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I prefer posting with my main. |
Fozzy Dorsai
The Kissaki Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:37:00 -
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As you may have noticed, just about any two L4 mission fit ships wil do. Since they can all pretty much solo L4s, two in tandum will definitly get the job done. Generally, if a friend brings something that shoots Cruises, I'll bring something that shoots heavies and vise versa. You just want to plug any weaknesses. So if you have a great tanking ship like a Rattler, Scorp, or Tengu, the second should be a ganking ship. If the first ship does better against tiny targets, the second should do best against BS. If one is short-range, have the other be long range.
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Adacia Calla
The Long Kiss Goodnight
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Posted - 2012.03.30 20:11:00 -
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1.) Buy a Machariel.
2.) Fit a 100MN Afterburner.
3.) ???
4.) Profit.
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Anvil44
Independent Traders and Builders
MPA
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Posted - 2012.03.30 21:14:00 -
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My Tengu can run any lvl 4 solo as well and I sit still and tank it all no problem. I was doing so in a Drake but found the dps of the Tengu was far better. The negative is the big isk outlay to get a decent setup in the first place. If isk is the problem, I really recommend a Drake if you just want to sit there and shoot. But there are lots of good ships that can accomplish this, it is a combination of ship, skills and tanking correctly.
My Mach has nearly died a few times due to my sloppiness. So you have to be careful too.
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.30 21:31:00 -
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I like to use SNI and Tengu on the tougher ones... |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.03.30 23:26:00 -
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Baby Vargur fit Maelstrom with 14 charges can tank any room except maybe AE bonus and including the full WC room you get in Gallente space (the hardest I found so far).
You need to know WTF you are doing though.
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Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises
Beyond All Bounds
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Posted - 2012.03.31 00:17:00 -
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I've used a dual AR hype to draw all the aggro of rooms plenty of times.
Only in a few rooms on certain missions I'll be using the second rep pulsing
and very rarely multiple cycles.
There are moments when the tank will drop regardless of it being repped.
But thats always a short while. Numbers will be thinned out long before
I go into structure.
You do need some idea of what you doing to pull it off sometimes tho.
When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |
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