Originally by: Kiki Arnolds

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The people who would most benefit are those who have already trained cyber 5 for +5s, ie vetran players, we need ways for newbs to catch up, not a way to help established players get even further ahead...

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Originally by: Re'taka

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Originally by: Kiki Arnolds

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The people who would most benefit are those who have already trained cyber 5 for +5s, ie vetran players, we need ways for newbs to catch up, not a way to help established players get even further ahead...

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Why?

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Originally by: Eventy One

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Edited by: Eventy One on 20/08/2008 01:27:48

Originally by: Re'taka

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Originally by: Kiki Arnolds

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The people who would most benefit are those who have already trained cyber 5 for +5s, ie vetran players, we need ways for newbs to catch up, not a way to help established players get even further ahead...

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Why?

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Why not!

This is after all, a forum for features, ideas and discussion. Your question lacks discussive value, and hasn't exactly made a point about why this isn't a good idea.

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Originally by: Re'taka

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I just wanted to know why. Ill give you its a simple question, but a valid one none the less, why should new players be catered to? What makes them have to have the ability to "catch up" there is no good reason for it, older players should be more diverse, as it is that is all you can be in eve if your older.

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Originally by: verde bandit

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But some of you might find this too much, so it could just be 10/20/30/40/50.
Those numbers are just ideas but it would be a bit easier to get through months of training.

Your thoughts ?

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Originally by: Typhado3

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I think 10/20/30/40/50 may be more balanced and I fully support this idea.

As for new players catching up... a moderate player (a few months) could use this skill to get a decent bonus to their attributes (1.6 each easily). This would allow a moderate player to get into more ships faster. It would also allow those who like to really focus in learning to have more skills to train (someone who really likes to train those learning skills can max em out to get 2.5). The gap may grow a bit (though if u focused learning it would now be easier to close gap with those who don't) but it would make it faster for people to get ships, including noobs as training this to lvl 4 would only take a couple weeks at max and offer a 1.6 bonus easily to all attributes....

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Originally by: Caldari 5

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Originally by: Typhado3

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I think 10/20/30/40/50 may be more balanced and I fully support this idea.

As for new players catching up... a moderate player (a few months) could use this skill to get a decent bonus to their attributes (1.6 each easily). This would allow a moderate player to get into more ships faster. It would also allow those who like to really focus in learning to have more skills to train (someone who really likes to train those learning skills can max em out to get 2.5). The gap may grow a bit (though if u focused learning it would now be easier to close gap with those who don't) but it would make it faster for people to get ships, including noobs as training this to lvl 4 would only take a couple weeks at max and offer a 1.6 bonus easily to all attributes....

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I too think 10/20/30/40/50 may be more balanced, however I would change the pre-reqs to Learning IV and Cybernetics IV, basically due that you need to know how to learn with your cybernetics, not just know how to use cybernetics.

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Originally by: Silva Riley

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Attribute bonuses are important for learning.
Cybernetics 5 takes a very long time to reach.
Level 5 implants cost a fortune squared.

Anyone who could profit from such a skill is
way on top of things already. Since it would
speed up old character's learning even more,
it would be bad for balance. It is already
mathematically impossible to catch up with
anyone. EVE should not become even more of a
Gerontocracy than it already is.

However, there is something that would imo work
better. Instead of making it a direct follow-up
of Cybernetics, it could be an offset parallel
skill, that could be trained with a requirement
of Cybernetics 3-4, instead of 5. More of the
cybernetics system would have to be changed,
though. It would have to be useful both for new
players and for veterans.

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Originally by: Eventy One

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Originally by: Re'taka

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I just wanted to know why. Ill give you its a simple question, but a valid one none the less, why should new players be catered to? What makes them have to have the ability to "catch up" there is no good reason for it, older players should be more diverse, as it is that is all you can be in eve if your older.

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I don't see how this is catering to new players. If you have Cybernetics V, presumably you have invested in learning skills, more likely than not you are a more experienced player ..

... shrugs.

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Originally by: Grarr Dexx

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This is just a wannabe stealth boost to bring hg snakes back to their 50% speedbonus. No need, and as in the traditional sense of Eve: diversify, not specialise.

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Originally by: verde bandit

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Edited by: verde bandit on 21/08/2008 01:57:00

Hi,

I'd like to talk with you of some idea that have been discussed a bit on IRC :
Advanced Cybernetics.

This skill would need Cybernetics IV and Learning IV as prerequisites, and for each level in that skill (let's say Rank 7/8), would provide a +X% to the attribute boosting effect of each Attribute modifying implant ( read slots 1-5 ).

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Originally by: Kiki Arnolds

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The people who would most benefit are those who have already trained cyber 5 for +5s, ie vetran players, we need ways for newbs to catch up, not a way to help established players get even further ahead...

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