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Ron Bacardi
Caldari SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:57:00 -
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This thread is a joke right? A really stupid troll?
Remove skill requirements for T2 modules?
So all the TIME I've spent skilling for T2 guns or a full T2 tank or T2 ewar or T2 cap stuff, should be completely wasted? Just because T2 is cheaper now than it was?
It's called SUPPLY & DEMAND.
QUIT BEING ****ING STUPID |

Riho
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.08.20 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Master jacob Hi,
It would be great if T2 equipment or at least the skill requirements for it, was removed from the game.
Eve is all about risk/reward (and alot of other stuff), but certanly not about training to lvl 70 so that you can insta pop those at lvl 50.
For instance take a std T1 blaster its good, but if you want something better buy a named, or if you have just sold all your timecodes go faction. Or as it is now, just wait for 2 years and buy a T2 at the same price of a T1, doesnt make sense.
Best regards
/me sing the "you are an IDIOT" song.
go away |

Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.20 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Riho /me sing the "you are an IDIOT" song.
go away
This one? |

Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9 Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.08.20 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Master jacob Why should older players be rewarded with super items at a low cost?
/me powers up his super diplomacy skills.
Oh **** off already. |

Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.08.20 19:17:00 -
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as i'm not a T2 BPO owner, i agree that they should be removed or at least nerfed.
this opinion might change in future. |

SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2008.08.20 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Master jacob Edited by: Master jacob on 20/08/2008 01:40:35
Originally by: TehHouse What part of this isn't balanced? Simply claiming "it isn't balanced" doesn't make it so.
Thank you for pointing that out.
Risk/benefit is the thing this thread is about. Risk/benefit for T2 equipment is the thing that isn't balanced.
It seems to me that ppl disagree, which is okay for that matter.
But I failed to miss the point why it is good that older players can undock at a much lower risk than new players?
Best regards
Ok, for the confused people in the crowd, what our crybaby OP is whining about is the fact that T2 equipment is cheaper than Meta-level 4 equipment.
He thinks this is unfair, because stats-wise, T2 equipment is comparable, and sometimes identical, to ML 4 equipment (except for fitting stats).
Thus, he thinks everyone should be able to just use T2 equipment because it's not fair that "newer players" have to throw more isk at their ships to get comparable performance to a T2 ship, since they need ML 4 modules (at a minimum) to do this.
Basically, he thinks supply and demand are unfair. I'm sure that the fitting difficulty of tech2 equipment would be next on his agenda because it would make life hawd for any newer player who doesn't yet have maxed out fitting skills.
Someone please contract a box of Tech2 tampons to this guy. |

Malcanis
We are Legend eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.20 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Master jacob
Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 20/08/2008 00:41:57 I lol'd hard at "level 70" tbh.
Remember that T2 ships insure for crap. There is no reward for getting one killed if you're the one flying it. T2 modules got driven down in price by invention, but most of them are within the 1-3 million ISK range. That's well ahead of all but their meta 4 counterparts price-wise (most of the time.) For that extra ISK you get a better module, but not one that gives you that big of an advantage. I think the risk and reward of T2 is fairly healthy.
T2 ships fits well in the risk/reward concept. My argument was mainly addressed at the part where you can get better equipment at a lower cost just because you have been playing longer.
Who'd have thought that training skills might actually be useful? |

Malcanis
We are Legend eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.20 19:25:00 -
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Poasting in a PraelonThreadÖ btw |

Marie Trudeau
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.20 20:46:00 -
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Lol, people can never be pleased.
The OP seems mostly concerned about the ISK cost of purchasing t2 items. Well, before invention, t2 production was controlled by a *very* small number of players, and predictably the prices were high because it was a quasi-cartel situation. Invention changed that, and brought the prices down. And now people complain that the prices are too low??? Just train your skills, and you'll appreciate the lower ISK prices for gear that has a higher CPU and in some cases grid cost.
Sheesh, people will complain about anything. |

Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2008.08.20 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Master jacob
Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 20/08/2008 00:41:57 I lol'd hard at "level 70" tbh.
Remember that T2 ships insure for crap. There is no reward for getting one killed if you're the one flying it. T2 modules got driven down in price by invention, but most of them are within the 1-3 million ISK range. That's well ahead of all but their meta 4 counterparts price-wise (most of the time.) For that extra ISK you get a better module, but not one that gives you that big of an advantage. I think the risk and reward of T2 is fairly healthy.
T2 ships fits well in the risk/reward concept. My argument was mainly addressed at the part where you can get better equipment at a lower cost just because you have been playing longer.
Isn't that the point of training skills? Why do you train skills in EvE?... exactly.. I think your question answers itself.
but if you still aren't getting it.. why would older players have access to better equipment? Because they spent the time and effort to skill/get the isk for it. Here you go! Now go and be happy! |

Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2008.08.20 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Marie Trudeau Lol, people can never be pleased.
The OP seems mostly concerned about the ISK cost of purchasing t2 items. Well, before invention, t2 production was controlled by a *very* small number of players, and predictably the prices were high because it was a quasi-cartel situation. Invention changed that, and brought the prices down. And now people complain that the prices are too low??? Just train your skills, and you'll appreciate the lower ISK prices for gear that has a higher CPU and in some cases grid cost.
Sheesh, people will complain about anything.
No, the ops seems concerned of older players having the skills to USE T2 items and thus be superior to people with T1 items. read my post above for details. |

Ron Bacardi
Caldari SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.20 22:39:00 -
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OP is dumb, has dumb ideas, has no idea what he is talking about.
/end thread |

Master jacob
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Posted - 2008.08.21 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ron Bacardi This thread is a joke right? A really stupid troll?
Remove skill requirements for T2 modules?
So all the TIME I've spent skilling for T2 guns or a full T2 tank or T2 ewar or T2 cap stuff, should be completely wasted? Just because T2 is cheaper now than it was?
It's called SUPPLY & DEMAND.
QUIT BEING ****ING STUPID
Well, someone has already pointed out that the skill requirements arent really the problem. I'll have to agree to that, even though he didn't use such intelligent arguments as 'STOP BEING SO FISHING STUPID' - The uppercasing really gave it a twist though, how I love arguments.
The problem is two different supply lines for T2 and T1 gear. The result of this is that the best equipment is the cheapest.
Yes I know, some best named is actually better, but the opposite is also the case in many cases.
And no, I dont think that a few single BPO owner is a better solution.
All I'm saying is that better items should be more expensive. I'm not trying to take anything away from ppl.
Best regards |

Traidor Disloyal
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.21 15:10:00 -
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To OP: I R confused. |

SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2008.08.21 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Master jacob
All I'm saying is that better items should be more expensive. I'm not trying to take anything away from ppl.
Best regards
Well then, maybe you should take it upon yourself to convince everyone that they shouldn't pay 15 million for arbalest heavy launchers?
The prices are that high because that's where supply and demand meet.
T2 prices are that low because THAT is where supply and demand meet.
As a general rule, you're going to look like an idiot when start demanding that supply and demand shouldn't dictate price. |
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