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Boobiencia	Posted - 2008.08.20 06:39:00 - [1] is it enough just to web carier to hit it with XL blasters(in siege mod)? or does it need to be painted, if so how many painters? thx!
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.20 06:47:00 - [2] distance <---------------> is what you want a carrier slowboating in a cicle around you inside 20km, you wont hit in siege.
Boobiencia	Posted - 2008.08.20 06:51:00 - [3] Originally by: Gneeznow distance <---------------> is what you want a carrier slowboating in a cicle around you inside 20km, you wont hit in siege. how about webbed carier at 10km?
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.20 07:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Boobiencia Originally by: Gneeznow distance <---------------> is what you want a carrier slowboating in a cicle around you inside 20km, you wont hit in siege. how about webbed carier at 10km? I have seen a moros hit and kill battleships in siege mode, you will likely miss a lot if its not webbed but a double webbed carrier will be going about 1m/s so might as well be a POS tbh. Its sig radius is alot bigger than your gun res too I believe so you should splat it. Also any target painting will have a devistating effect most likely. As a side note, if your moros is doing 3 - 4k dps, you might not be able to kill the carrier, but with a bit of battleship support or medium to heavy neuting it will go down fairly quick.
halp me THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.08.20 09:29:00 - [5] if you are trying to solo other carriers in a moros you need to learn a little bit about how siege works, hell there is pretty much enough time to warp off between when you drop in on them start siege mode wait the 22 seconds or more to target them and then hope they are still within 10 km to web and warpscramble let alone still on grid or in system. additionally there is the nasty problem of alot of carriers being able to tank a solo dread.
Boobiencia	Posted - 2008.08.20 09:56:00 - [6] Originally by: halp me if you are trying to solo other carriers in a moros you need to learn a little bit about how siege works, hell there is pretty much enough time to warp off between when you drop in on them start siege mode wait the 22 seconds or more to target them and then hope they are still within 10 km to web and warpscramble let alone still on grid or in system. additionally there is the nasty problem of alot of carriers being able to tank a solo dread. I have BS with cyno, so if some one drops carrier on me i can drop moros with close to max skills and 2xmagstabs in siege it does 5k dps, no carier can tank that plus adutional dps from bs
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.20 10:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Boobiencia Originally by: halp me if you are trying to solo other carriers in a moros you need to learn a little bit about how siege works, hell there is pretty much enough time to warp off between when you drop in on them start siege mode wait the 22 seconds or more to target them and then hope they are still within 10 km to web and warpscramble let alone still on grid or in system. additionally there is the nasty problem of alot of carriers being able to tank a solo dread. I have BS with cyno, so if some one drops carrier on me i can drop moros with close to max skills and 2xmagstabs in siege it does 5k dps, no carier can tank that plus adutional dps from bs Ok ok, let me get this straight... IF somebody is dumb enough to drop a solo carrier to kill your BS... You plan to then cyno in a moros and enter siege mode like if they hotdropped a carrier on you they don't have friends... If you want to use the moros for something stupid camp lowsec stations with sentry drones...
Boobiencia	Posted - 2008.08.20 10:23:00 - [8] Originally by: Wil Smithx Originally by: Boobiencia Originally by: halp me if you are trying to solo other carriers in a moros you need to learn a little bit about how siege works, hell there is pretty much enough time to warp off between when you drop in on them start siege mode wait the 22 seconds or more to target them and then hope they are still within 10 km to web and warpscramble let alone still on grid or in system. additionally there is the nasty problem of alot of carriers being able to tank a solo dread. I have BS with cyno, so if some one drops carrier on me i can drop moros with close to max skills and 2xmagstabs in siege it does 5k dps, no carier can tank that plus adutional dps from bs Ok ok, let me get this straight... IF somebody is dumb enough to drop a solo carrier to kill your BS... You plan to then cyno in a moros and enter siege mode like if they hotdropped a carrier on you they don't have friends... If you want to use the moros for something stupid camp lowsec stations with sentry drones... because sentrys dont shoot drones... as for friends, moros can handle few bs alone
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.20 10:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Boobiencia because sentrys dont shoot drones... as for friends, moros can handle few bs alone Its not BS you need to worry about, a solo speed tank will hold you in space for all the time in the world chewing away at your stupidly buffed drones... Unless you can reliably call in real support for that dread when shit hits the fan you are simply dead...
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.20 11:42:00 - [10] In the scanario above - battleship, enemy hotdrops carrier, you hotdrop moros - fight! you will not want to enter Siege Mode as a Moros, and you will want to have all cap regen as your slots + 1 scram - at that point, you will not want to enter siege mode. The logic here is that your T2 sentries will do most of the damage, the guns are there for lucky shots. Keeping your BB alive is going to be a challange. . .but I would keep it in play as a bumper/tackler untill you get the lock ( you need to survive awhile in that BB. Also, you definatly want to have your exit cino dropped right away (10 min timer and just keep auto repeat on so it just uses all the LOz. All in all, your proposition is ballsy. . .and I would just warp the BB out. . .
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.20 11:45:00 - [11] I for one, welcome our cyno-on-everything overlords
Gawain Hill	Posted - 2008.08.20 11:51:00 - [12] ebay ftl don't fly cap ships without a few other people to come back you up when that nasty little cepter comes and scrams you forever and a day laughing at you while everyone for a half dozen systems comes to shoot at you and blow up your dread.
Eaiaden Minmatar Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.08.20 12:03:00 - [13] Charselling has it advantges.... Where is that BS of yours, ill drop my carrier on you and laugh when your solo dread try to kill me.
Silverace Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan	Posted - 2008.08.20 12:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Boobiencia with close to max skills and 2xmagstabs in siege it does 5k dps, no carier can tank that plus adutional dps from bs This is false. A carrier can perma tank 5k+ dps solo without triage mode with tech II modules.
Boobiencia	Posted - 2008.08.20 13:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Silverace Originally by: Boobiencia with close to max skills and 2xmagstabs in siege it does 5k dps, no carier can tank that plus adutional dps from bs This is false. A carrier can perma tank 5k+ dps solo without triage mode with tech II modules. maybe in your own lollypop happy world
Silverace Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan	Posted - 2008.08.20 13:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Boobiencia Originally by: Silverace Originally by: Boobiencia with close to max skills and 2xmagstabs in siege it does 5k dps, no carier can tank that plus adutional dps from bs This is false. A carrier can perma tank 5k+ dps solo without triage mode with tech II modules. maybe in your own lollypop happy world Sure about that?
Grarr Dexx Amarr Avenging United	Posted - 2008.08.20 13:29:00 - [17] [X] EFT-warrior One neut = bye bye chimera
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.20 13:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Grarr Dexx [X] EFT-warrior One neut = bye bye chimera lol, what's gonna live long enough to suck enough cap from the Chimera to make a difference? Remember, we're talking about 1 BS + 1 Dread vs. the Chimera here. Are you going to put a Neutralizer on the Dread? In any case, a T2 tank with beta CPRs tanks 5115 DPS and has 105.4 cap/s spare, try neuting that.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Avenging United	Posted - 2008.08.20 13:43:00 - [19] Dual lar abaddon tanks a full flight of carrier drones.
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild	Posted - 2008.08.20 13:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Boobiencia is it enough just to web carier to hit it with XL blasters(in siege mod)? or does it need to be painted, if so how many painters? The answer to your question is it depends on where the web is coming from. A Moros in siege can hit a single-webbed carrier with capital blasters reasonably well, but if the Moros is the one webbing the carrier you're less likely to be doing full damage due to tracking issues. If you have another ship webbing the carrier so that the Moros can stand off at about 15km or so, you'll be golden. More webs are obviously better. Having said that, the situation that you're describing about hot-dropping a Moros on a hot-dropped carrier seems to be a very bad idea. Unless you really know what you're doing, don't fly Capital Ships without friends.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.08.20 14:23:00 - [21] Flying capships without decent support is a recipe for disaster. Yes a dread theoritcally could take down a carrier but if the carrier is well tanked then the dread will be there for some time but nothing draws people in more than a cap ship off a station or in a belt. TBH for this sort of thing carrier>dread.
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.20 14:52:00 - [22] Edited by: Wil Smithx on 20/08/2008 14:53:05 Originally by: Grarr Dexx Dual lar abaddon tanks a full flight of carrier drones. Please do post this magical fitting that can tank at least 900 dps perma (ie no boosters fool) while: - run dual web - point - target painting - neuting - cynoing Your only possible hope is running completely off nos... Redeem your failings if you can! Edit: Don't forget, the OP doesn't need support, so the BS must do all these things on its own.
cytomatrix Caldari Carebear Killers Inc. Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.08.20 14:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Dual lar abaddon tanks a full flight of carrier drones. Care to share the setup?
Kira Pasisson M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:06:00 - [24] theoretically a carrier with triage gives no dread a chance to kill him with a senseful fitting.....practically it is like ppl said, solo-cap ops is at least suicidal^^
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:13:00 - [25] I think its a GREAT idea for people to solo fight with caps.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Omarvelous I think its a GREAT idea for people who own FRAPS to solo fight with caps. Fixed.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.20 20:08:00 - [27] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Omarvelous I think its a GREAT idea for people who own FRAPS to solo fight with caps. Fixed. on it
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.08.20 20:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Omarvelous I think its a GREAT idea for people who own FRAPS to solo fight with caps. Fixed. on it Watch out for Gneeznows nano laser Nagelfar.
MarleWH Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.08.20 20:52:00 - [29] Have fun losing your dread.
Zeerover Caldari DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations	Posted - 2008.08.21 01:42:00 - [30] Go for the Honor Tank:)

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