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xjen0va1
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Posted - 2008.08.20 11:27:00 -
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i wasnt sure where to put this thread at. this forum seems like the closest to a match i could see and what would probably have the greatest chance of success. i need to move 890,000 m3 out of low security space into jita. lowsec - highsec can be done in one jump of 5.10ly and after that its only 6 or so jumps into jita. cargo will be minerals, total worth is roughly 750m. send this character and eve mail and ill get back to you with my main so that we could work out a contract.
you could post in this thread but i think discretion is a good thing for these types of things. thanks |
Blazing Fire
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.20 11:45:00 -
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I really hope that this is an alt.
I bet your already end up in the buddy list of a lot of people and they are already using the locator agents.
Blazing Fire
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Admiral Apex
Amarr
Dead 2 Rights
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Posted - 2008.08.20 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral Apex on 20/08/2008 11:46:43
 Originally by: Blazing Fire
I really hope that this is an alt.
I bet your already end up in the buddy list of a lot of people and they are already using the locator agents.
Blazing Fire
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.20 11:49:00 -
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So... you're looking at 3 round-trips, with one jump from asset location to nearest lowsec, one lowsec-to-highsec gate, then 6j through highsec, with barely 250m worth of cargo per trip ?
So, that's 6 jumps total (going back directly to assets location from Jita, if in range, or nearest highsec, of 5+ ly each), so about 8-12 mil ISK in fuel/cyno costs (plus cost of any destroyed cyno alts in the process), while risking a multi-bilion ISK ship in the process ?
Just out of curiosity, how much were you willing to pay for this shipment ?
If I could fly a JF, I'd ask for at least 100m if I was dead bored and had absolutely nothing to do, if not more.
But I probably wouldn't risk it for somebody I don't know, especially since you'd know my highsec entry point, and lowsec-to-highsec entries are the most dangerous things you can do with a JF.
I would ask however for much less if you'd need things moved from your lowsec station to another lowsec station closer to Jita, as the risk is much, much lower for a JF that way.
You know, just giving you a few pointers.
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xjen0va1
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Posted - 2008.08.20 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Blazing Fire
I really hope that this is an alt.
I bet your already end up in the buddy list of a lot of people and they are already using the locator agents.
Blazing Fire
CEO
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yes this is an alt. my little paragraph + sentence below make that clear. |
xjen0va1
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Posted - 2008.08.20 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
So... you're looking at 3 round-trips, with one jump from asset location to nearest lowsec, one lowsec-to-highsec gate, then 6j through highsec, with barely 250m worth of cargo per trip ?
So, that's 6 jumps total (going back directly to assets location from Jita, if in range, or nearest highsec, of 5+ ly each), so about 8-12 mil ISK in fuel/cyno costs (plus cost of any destroyed cyno alts in the process), while risking a multi-bilion ISK ship in the process ?
Just out of curiosity, how much were you willing to pay for this shipment ?
If I could fly a JF, I'd ask for at least 100m if I was dead bored and had absolutely nothing to do, if not more.
But I probably wouldn't risk it for somebody I don't know, especially since you'd know my highsec entry point, and lowsec-to-highsec entries are the most dangerous things you can do with a JF.
I would ask however for much less if you'd need things moved from your lowsec station to another lowsec station closer to Jita, as the risk is much, much lower for a JF that way.
You know, just giving you a few pointers.
is it the jump from high sec to lowsec that makes it very dangerous? i think i would pay 10% of cargo so that would be 75m.
i know thats kind of low but i would rather not kill my margin. also: how much would you say it would cost to buy a character with the ability to operate a jump freighter? |
xjen0va1
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Posted - 2008.08.20 12:04:00 -
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gm please move this to want ads. also if youre feeling frisky put a [WTB] in the title. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.08.20 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Shar Tegral on 20/08/2008 12:10:06
Originally by: xjen0va1
i know thats kind of low but i would rather not kill my margin.
Well this kind of honesty is refreshing. If my brains suddenly leaked out while I was sleep that is. Something to consider, service providers care little about how much you kill your margin. They are only worried about how much they will make and how much of that they'll get to keep. (And considering the capital investment into a JF.... ) Low sec operations with no named alts, never a good move. I wish you luck, you are going to need it. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.08.20 13:21:00 -
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IF this is an honest attempt... really your best hope is to negotiate a deal with controllers of that space, or at least controllers near that space for safe passage.
As much as some of them like to yarr, they like making isk to yarr more. |
Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.08.20 18:15:00 -
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Here's how JF's work: You can jump out of high sec but not into it. To get back in you must use the normal gates. The only real issue is finding suitable stations. The idea is you only cyno to and dock at stations that will dump you within docking range whenever you undock. Also, you need to cyno in within docking range. If anything goes wrong you just dock and wait for the bums to go away. To get back to high sec you just cyno into a gateway system and warp to zero on the gate, again the cyno should be on a suitable station, just in case.
If your stuff is in a suitable station you should be able to find someone to move it for you. Amarr Citizen 155 would be a good person to ask. Assuming decent stations and not utterly camped systems, I'd do it for 150M but I'm busy for the next few days so you're better off finding someone else.
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Scathain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.20 22:34:00 -
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Its not a good deal for a jump freighter pilot, 75mill is low for the risks we have to take, we need a cyno alt if they dont have one. And enough fuel to jump from low sec to your station, and then back again. so we need the fuel for that. 75mil is a big risk. Plus you would have to determine collateral and then its even riskier for the freighter pilot. |
Jaarlax
Ratty Corp PLC
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.08.20 22:42:00 -
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personally, for that much volume and such little value(for it's size), i'd melt most of it, get a fast transport to move the high value items, then sell the low end mins on site, and move the high value mins to empire.
Id be very surprised if you find anyone willing to risk a 4bn ship 6 times for 75mil.
seems to me if you have 890k stuff, you own or have access to a freighter, might be worth renting some guns to cover the freighter and make a run for it.
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.08.20 23:37:00 -
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There's a jump freighter courier service in the Trades forum. He charges something like 20M + incidentals per jump. So you're looking at about 130M or so to drop it off at the system 6 hops from jita. You can then haul the rest of the way yourself.
Just a bit outside your budget, really.
p.s. now you know why those 90 million unit low end sells are so cheap in prat-infested waters. =) You can still pick up hundreds of millions of units of pye at 1 isk/pu in my back yard.
p.p.s. a traditional ^Q-ready freighter + scouts & support could probably pull this off for around 100M as well. Just not at peak time.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.21 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: xjen0va1
is it the jump from high sec to lowsec that makes it very dangerous?
No. The other way around.
The jump from lowsec into highsec is the most dangerous.
You can only jump INTO lowsec (or 0.0), you can't jump into highsec, you have to use a stargate to get into and through highsec.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2008.08.21 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Scathain
Its not a good deal for a jump freighter pilot, 75mill is low for the risks we have to take, we need a cyno alt if they dont have one. And enough fuel to jump from low sec to your station, and then back again. so we need the fuel for that. 75mil is a big risk. Plus you would have to determine collateral and then its even riskier for the freighter pilot.
Just incase anyone is actually doing this, DO NOT USE YOUR CUSTOMER'S CYNO PILOTS. Unless you trust that customer with your ship and pod. I've done far too many of these to trust someone else to drop my cyno's. Plus, what if he drops the cyno and you bump off the station before you can dock??? Just too many uncontrollable variables. Oh and 100m isn't worth the time it takes to do it regardless of the risk. I loves me some time. (yes i worded that sentence that way on purpose.) |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.21 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: xjen0va1
is it the jump from high sec to lowsec that makes it very dangerous?
No. The other way around.
The jump from lowsec into highsec is the most dangerous.
You can only jump INTO lowsec (or 0.0), you can't jump into highsec, you have to use a stargate to get into and through highsec.
Whats dangerous about undocking from a station with a massive undock bubble and warping to zero onto a gate?
Thats like saying being hit by a pillow is more dangerous then being hit by a cushion.
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.21 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 21/08/2008 13:10:23
Please note the cushion in the above comment is without a cover - so there are no zips.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.21 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Whats dangerous about undocking from a station with a massive undock bubble and warping to zero onto a gate?
Thats like saying being hit by a pillow is more dangerous then being hit by a cushion.
Please note the cushion in the above comment is without a cover - so there are no zips.
Well, yeah, that about covers it 
You're not in any serious danger either way, but it's the only transition (except a highsec gank, but with 250 mil in cargo, not really the case) where you can actually get killed... even if the odds are quite small, they still exist.
In the other cases, you just undock, jump before anybody can pin you down (i.e. before a HIC can point the infinipoint on you), dock... here you actually have to warp too, and even if JFs handle slightly less brickish, they still take an awful lot of time aligning for a warp, and in some rare cases, you might actually get out of the docking bubble before you can warp (or be pushed out of it by a bumping nano-BS, while they still exist), then pinned down by a HIC (so you can no longer jump either, let alone warp or dock).
Sure, nothing a scout alt in the proper place can't help you avoid, but anyway... meh.
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Dranakolys
Gallente
Theurgy
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Posted - 2008.08.21 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dranakolys on 21/08/2008 16:11:29
What are so many people crying about in this thread?
What this guy is asking is virtually risk free, if:
A) You make your own cynos
B) You are not an idiot (See A)
C) You are not in ATF or RQM* (See B)
I've moved things out of of 0.0 and lowsec this way many many times. Place all your cynos with-in docking range of a station, its as simple as that. Since you can't cyno into highsec, simply cyno into a lowsec system adjacent to highsec, and warp to zero on the gate.
Risk? lol. The only thing you should be asking yourself as a JF pilot here is if it is worth the time and effort.
* Le Skunk's corp can tell you about their skillz with JFs |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.21 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 21/08/2008 19:30:32
Originally by: Dranakolys
C) You are not in ATF or RQM* (See B)
* Le Skunk's corp can tell you about their skillz with JFs
Well seeing as you brought it up :)))
Yeah they got lazy and jumped their jump freighter in the old fashioned way - thought the gate. And got poppy poppied.
Then.... three days later... they did the same again.. and got poppy poppied. This time they got a MOM in so we couldn't loot the wreck :( which i though was dreadfully unsporting.
Whilst we are on the subject of requiem they haven't posted 1/3 of their lossmails - I think they are embarrased a 10 man 2 bit pirate corp is whopping their leet pvp ass's.
SKUNK
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YunFu Yan
Yan Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.22 06:45:00 -
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I think this thread is somehow related to a regional buyorder at a funny price and alot of my lowsec assets changing owner.
Just sell the stuff back to me, learn from your mistake and be done with it. Sure, you're gonna lose some money but that's the way it works.
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xjen0va1
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Posted - 2008.08.22 17:04:00 -
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sigh i just got scammed out of 1b. it was a freighter scam. i was too trusting, i wasnt dumb i was fairly certain i was going to lose my money but this guy was a great actor. he did an excellent job of gaining my trust. im not even mad at him, just ashamed at myself that i still did it even though everything in me was telling me not too. i have too large a capacity to trust. im going to liquidate all my assets and move to the land of infinite margins. once i work back up, it wont be long until i have 4b and ill just buy my own jump freighter pilot.
once i get a jump freighter isk is just going to jump into my wallet.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.08.22 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: xjen0va1
sigh i just got scammed out of 1b. it was a freighter scam.
Details, who, how, that sort of thing. Not all scams are well known. Originally by: xjen0va1
other stuff
TBH you sound like your are trying to troll this forum actually. Because the above post is filled with non-sensical emo crap that makes little sense.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
xjen0va1
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Posted - 2008.08.22 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: xjen0va1
sigh i just got scammed out of 1b. it was a freighter scam.
Details, who, how, that sort of thing. Not all scams are well known. Originally by: xjen0va1
other stuff
TBH you sound like your are trying to troll this forum actually. Because the above post is filled with non-sensical emo crap that makes little sense.
i dont think he'll get anybody else. so im not going to go into it because its so embarrassing. it was a social engineering scam.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.08.22 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: xjen0va1
i dont think he'll get anybody else. so im not going to go into it because its so embarrassing. it was a social engineering scam.
Oh I'm almost positive that he won't get anyone else. Mostly because it never happened but I'll leave you alone so you can wind up some sob story or some such.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Elppin Tsaerb
Caldari
Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.22 18:59:00 -
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75 mil for the risk to a 4 bil ship? For someone I don't know? Yeah, don't think so.
You should go with (1) the sell in place except for good stuff or (2) standard freighter with escort options.
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xjen0va1
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Posted - 2008.08.22 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: xjen0va1
i dont think he'll get anybody else. so im not going to go into it because its so embarrassing. it was a social engineering scam.
Oh I'm almost positive that he won't get anyone else. Mostly because it never happened but I'll leave you alone so you can wind up some sob story or some such.
it did indeed happen. im not emo, im just disappointed in myself. i know ill be able to get it all back this just sets me back a little bit, and i dont like going negative.
i dont know if you'll take this as proof but heres an eve mail he sent me.
Quote:
2008.08.22 05:34 We at the Winston Scammada University (Wi Scam U) would like to thank you for your most generous donation. These modules will be used to help usher in the new generation of thinkers and... ah hell, we already got the stuff... these modules will be used to line our pockets. We thank you. o/ -PERSONAL NOTE: Your a great guy. This would be my first scam... and honostly I'm not sure how I feel about it... The whole lying and manipulating peoples trust... I guess we'll see what the modules sell for, that may make me feel a bit better about the whole thing. Anyway, I wish you all the luck in the world. Your business venture sounds like a great idea. BTW: You may want to post in http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=channel&channelID=12451 the crime and punishment forums. The people there are a bit harsh, but most are cool and they might be able to help you out.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.08.22 19:24:00 -
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Well, I would not take any of the positive things he said to truthfully. I know for a fact C&P residents would not help you in the least. They are beyond harsh and will only drink your pain as deeply as you'd let them.
That being said, you should never ever trust anyone that you do not have to. Always insist on collateral where you can. Any hauler that is not willing to pay collateral is not one worth dealing with. Period.
Well I do like to think I'm above most paranoia but ... to be honest if you operate in a manner that minimizes the need for any trust relationship you will do better in Eve.
Finally, if you wanted to minimize your embarrassment you should have never mentioned it. Once you opened your mouth, you should have just gone for full disclosure instead of piecemeal. The emo stuff actually can create backlash for you as we are, as a community, fed up of sob stories of any kind. In fact, your own misfortune could have been avoided if you had exercised a few precautions.
Good luck to you.
Still don't know if this is a wind up or not but the statements and advice I've given are generic enough to help you (if true) or help someone else just reading this thread.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
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