My own story. I was a CEO of a corp of 40 players all under 2 months old. Wardeced by a group of players who told me the price was 350 million (price of a plex at the time) to end the war. i said no and they told me that they would wardec me personally out of the game. It only ended after 5 weeks when we joined a major alliance

So in your example case, the 'griefing' and wardecing actually encouraged you to join an alliance and expose yourself to more organised activity.

Sounds terrible

The bottom line for CCP is always going to be the same. If they run out of money then the game folds and suddenly there is a rash of suicides around the globe that no one can fathom.

So thank CCP that they are doing this to keep a percentage of their player base alive.



So here is the main reason for the changes.


A friend of mine loves solo pvp but cannot find it anywhere so he decided to set up shop in Deeperi a noob start up system. When he was there so noticed a constant stream of older players coming into the system and dropping cans named "free stuff" and things like that. When he picked one up he was ignored.

So he came back in noob ships that had been fitted for combat such as a buffer tanked neut sigil and things like that and took the bait. He was attacked straight away. He found he could fight all day long with a procession of people looking to kill noobs. When they dried up he went to another noob system and found the same thing.

When he went to the noob stations there were older players just hanging about outside the station who were checking new players and the corps they were in.

This is a huge problem in EVE that hardly anyone knows about. There are a sizable population of players who wardec and grief brand new players and the falloff from them is massive

My own story. I was a CEO of a corp of 40 players all under 2 months old. Wardeced by a group of players who told me the price was 350 million (price of a plex at the time) to end the war. i said no and they told me that they would wardec me personally out of the game. It only ended after 5 weeks when we joined a major alliance. When i checked their other wars. It was all corps just like ours.


This problem is rampent in highsec and all you ever here is "grow a pair and go out and fight them" or "go back to WOW". But if they do go out and fight them and just get destroyed until they have nothing left or there enjoyment of the game is gone forever then they leave the game forever.

You want the player base to grow you cannot have them grief out of the game in the first few months of playing.


Lastly. Just because you dont do this does not mean that other people dont.


Your thoughts please.

Jesus wept you completely missed the point.

Jesus wept you completely missed the point.

They're called mercenaries. They will kill your enemies in exchange for ISK or services, and you can often fly with them to get some experience in PvP so you're not a sitting duck for next time. Give it a try.

There are many solutions to this problem other than whining on a forum.

I think you missed mine.

The violent scary wardecs forced you to join a larger alliance, which exposed you to more gameplay options, pvp support, etc etc etc.

How is the big bad wardecs bad in this story? All you've demonstrated is a case where wardecs in fact helped your corp, not hurt it.

I think his point was more about the players griefing newbies in the starter systems which tends to stop people actually playing past the trial period

I think you missed mine.

The violent scary wardecs forced you to join a larger alliance, which exposed you to more gameplay options, pvp support, etc etc etc.

How is the big bad wardecs bad in this story? All you've demonstrated is a case where wardecs in fact helped your corp, not hurt it.

HURF BLURF HTFU GROW A PAIR BACK TO WOW CASUAL PUBBIE FGGT TRAMMIE NEWB CANT DEAL WITH IT OHGOD IM LITERALLY ********.

That's what all you newbie haters sound like. There is a huge difference between shitting on newbs for the luls and actively griefing the living **** out of them until they want to commit ritual sepaku for even knowing that eve online exists. The new player experience needs to be a bit more graduated from point a or "carebear invulnerable haven" to point z or "ahaha I made you biomass your toon cause you lost all hope of survival due to nonstop griefing and abusing ******, badly documented game mechanics."

Anything that keeps us in the middle of above mentioned a to z track is good for the overall game and provides more targets for everybody.

You do know that over-feeding is a thing right?

Don't confuse high-sec pvp with griefing noobs. Very few people grief actually-new players, and those who do aren't loved by the rest of the community. The bigger portion of high-sec pvp is done with profit in mind, and the 3-day-olds in the 1.0 system don't really make for good loot. However, when you're old and wealthy enough to do level 3 missions in your shield/hull-tanked Navy Megathron (with lasers!) and have three Hulk alts mining 0.9 Veldspar 18 hours a day, you're fair game.

Here's the problem: all the proposed changes I've seen won't stop a 4-year-old station game pro from wardeccing a small corp full of noobs. THAT is where a lot of the rage quits are coming from. More than that, though, I think Eve loses a lot of new players because of its notorious learning curve, and the lack of good documentation from CCP.

Stop deluding yourself. New-player griefing makes up a tiny percentage of the total amount of empire pvp (and is, byt the way, illegal in starter systems). These noobies have nothing to offer through their losses: their ships and items are near-worthless, and the T1 frigate killmails don't yield a whole lot of points on killboards. The majority of "griefing" is directed against older (but stupid) players who fly shiny ships and use shiny modules.

You're trying to blow a non-issue out of proportion.

Stop deluding yourself. New-player griefing makes up a tiny percentage of the total amount of empire pvp (and is, byt the way, illegal in starter systems). These noobies have nothing to offer through their losses: their ships and items are near-worthless, and the T1 frigate killmails don't yield a whole lot of points on killboards. The majority of "griefing" is directed against older (but stupid) players who fly shiny ships and use shiny modules.

You're trying to blow a non-issue out of proportion.

This is so funny. Perhaps i should link the killboard. It was non stop in Deeperi of players looking for easy kills and noob corps.


And so its illegal. Since when did that ever stop anyone in this game

Out of curiosity, why do you think it's up to other players to force noobs into other areas of the game? Why can't the noobs play the game and discover things for themselves?

I never understand folks who tell others how a SANDBOX game should be played.