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Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:10:00 - [1] I just losta sniper Apoc to a macro combat fleet. It was a huge blob war and I expected to lose ships but not to macro warriors. I don't blame the people who killed me, I blame CCP. Lag in this game is beyond acceptable and combat is nothing close to combat. 4 Subs down, keep bleeding them. Lag is going to be the fatal blow to Eve. You need to make this a priority. Fram rate, bandwidth, my underwear are the wrong color. I'm not a computer technician, I am a gamer. It isn't working. All the nerf whines? Whatever. The game isn't working. Best of luck Eve. You are a curious bunch of people. Some good, some bad, most just trying to enjoy a hobby. I will be back. When I see it is in my intrest to pay $60 a month to be here. Not at this point though.
Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:10:00 - [2] I just losta sniper Apoc to a macro combat fleet. It was a huge blob war and I expected to lose ships but not to macro warriors. I don't blame the people who killed me, I blame CCP. Lag in this game is beyond acceptable and combat is nothing close to combat. 4 Subs down, keep bleeding them. Lag is going to be the fatal blow to Eve. You need to make this a priority. Fram rate, bandwidth, my underwear are the wrong color. I'm not a computer technician, I am a gamer. It isn't working. All the nerf whines? Whatever. The game isn't working. Best of luck Eve. You are a curious bunch of people. Some good, some bad, most just trying to enjoy a hobby. I will be back. When I see it is in my intrest to pay $60 a month to be here. Not at this point though.
Illwill Bill Minmatar Nifelhem	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:12:00 - [3] Your stuff, can I haz it? ____________________ Originally by: CCP Saint Hey look over there! Its...its...its the thread back on topic!
Illwill Bill Minmatar Nifelhem	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:12:00 - [4] Your stuff, can I haz it? ____________________ Originally by: CCP Saint Hey look over there! Its...its...its the thread back on topic!
K'hronos	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:15:00 - [5] Edited by: K''hronos on 21/08/2008 19:15:07 60$ a month? You're right you could use a pause from this game. On a note... yeah the lag can be horrible sometime.
Furb Killer Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:15:00 - [6] Macro combat fleet? What is next? Macros smacking in coad?
K'hronos	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:15:00 - [7] Edited by: K''hronos on 21/08/2008 19:15:07 60$ a month? You're right you could use a pause from this game. On a note... yeah the lag can be horrible sometime.
Furb Killer Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:15:00 - [8] Macro combat fleet? What is next? Macros smacking in coad?
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:18:00 - [9] What the hell is a macro combat fleet? Yes i can guess what it is but a)do they exist and b)how do you spot them. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:18:00 - [10] What the hell is a macro combat fleet? Yes i can guess what it is but a)do they exist and b)how do you spot them. SKUNK
Terazuk Amarr Rogen's Heroes THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:20:00 - [11] Edited by: Terazuk on 21/08/2008 19:20:54 Originally by: Ioci I just losta sniper Apoc to a macro combat fleet. I just have to know, who? where? how many? shiptypes? How do you know they were macros? or is that the only excuse you can think of that might possibly explain the loss of your +ber-Snipoc. Other than that.. epic! Edit: CIHYS?
Terazuk Amarr Rogen's Heroes THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:20:00 - [12] Edited by: Terazuk on 21/08/2008 19:20:54 Originally by: Ioci I just losta sniper Apoc to a macro combat fleet. I just have to know, who? where? how many? shiptypes? How do you know they were macros? or is that the only excuse you can think of that might possibly explain the loss of your +ber-Snipoc. Other than that.. epic! Edit: CIHYS?
Thea Arsoniztik Red Tides	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:24:00 - [13] Decent troll...
Thea Arsoniztik Red Tides	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:24:00 - [14] Decent troll...
slothe Caldari Murky Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:27:00 - [15] no-one said proof or stfu yet?
Brigsby5987 Caldari 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:31:00 - [16] Edited by: Brigsby5987 on 21/08/2008 19:32:04 nearly 80% of any "lag" is your fault due to lack of knowledge of the inner workings of a computer/server/networkingdevice/your system. User errors are the biggest computer problem. tbh you should have to submit to an iq test and have at least an associates degree in Computer networking hardware before you can even touch a computer. I play eve. I have been in 500+ man fleet battles, everyone on grid, all pew pewing eachother. I havent had any lag/fps loss in eve since the one fleet battle back around february that i left effects on, in premium, with bloom and shadows on high. Mind you im running eve on a machine that is already a year old using a geforce 7600 video card. I live in the USA as well, and my internet is not particularly amazing. I must have a priority connection. Pro tips: USE BRACKETS, effects all need to be off, have overview tabs set according to the corp, alliance, coalition your flying with... Have a decent computer to run eve on, if you dont have a decent computer, quit eve, in fact quit gaming, start studying and get a damn job that affords you one. And give me your stuff please. __________________________________________ When Will I be able to post again ? 13 days, 23 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds
Poast Warrior Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Brigsby5987 Edited by: Brigsby5987 on 21/08/2008 19:32:04 I play eve. I have been in 500+ man fleet battles, everyone on grid, all pew pewing eachother. I havent had any lag/fps loss in eve since the one fleet battle back around february that i left effects on, in premium, with bloom and shadows on high. Mind you im running eve on a machine that is already a year old using a geforce 7600 video card. Right... you've been in 500+ fleet battles and have not suffered from server side lag? Right...
Riga Mortiss	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Ioci I just losta sniper Apoc to a macro combat fleet. It was a huge blob war and I expected to lose ships but not to macro warriors. I don't blame the people who killed me, I blame CCP. Lag in this game is beyond acceptable and combat is nothing close to combat. 4 Subs down, keep bleeding them. Lag is going to be the fatal blow to Eve. You need to make this a priority. Fram rate, bandwidth, my underwear are the wrong color. I'm not a computer technician, I am a gamer. It isn't working. All the nerf whines? Whatever. The game isn't working. Best of luck Eve. You are a curious bunch of people. Some good, some bad, most just trying to enjoy a hobby. I will be back. When I see it is in my intrest to pay $60 a month to be here. Not at this point though. Yep.. you're right.. LAG is the killer of any fleet action .. so much so that I hardly bother anymore unless specifically ordered to go by my CEO. I hate it with a passion.... I hope you come back to the game M8.. in the interim can you contract your stuff to me then?
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Ioci I just losta sniper Apoc to a macro combat fleet. It was a huge blob war and I expected to lose ships but not to macro warriors. I don't blame the people who killed me, I blame CCP. Lag in this game is beyond acceptable and combat is nothing close to combat. 4 Subs down, keep bleeding them. Lag is going to be the fatal blow to Eve. You need to make this a priority. Fram rate, bandwidth, my underwear are the wrong color. I'm not a computer technician, I am a gamer. It isn't working. All the nerf whines? Whatever. The game isn't working. Best of luck Eve. You are a curious bunch of people. Some good, some bad, most just trying to enjoy a hobby. I will be back. When I see it is in my intrest to pay $60 a month to be here. Not at this point though. They weren't that Macro if they shot you down now were they.. and did you realize there was a lag in the system AFTER you got shot down? Why did you even engage if you thought lag is out of control?
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:43:00 - [20] Too late,my time has come, Sends shivers down my spine- Bodys aching all the time, Goodbye everybody-Ive got to go- Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth- Mama ooo- (any way the wind blows) I dont want to die, I sometimes wish Id never been born at all-
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:44:00 - [21] This is EVE! Don't log in on er... Thursdays!
Rostran Targo Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:45:00 - [22] Contract your stuff to me, I'll take good care of it until EVE calls you back... Hey look! It's a signature! http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:45:00 - [23] Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 21/08/2008 19:46:38 Originally by: Brigsby5987 Edited by: Brigsby5987 on 21/08/2008 19:32:04 nearly 80% of any "lag" is your fault due to lack of knowledge of the inner workings of a computer/server/networkingdevice/your system. User errors are the biggest computer problem. tbh you should have to submit to an iq test and have at least an associates degree in Computer networking hardware before you can even touch a computer. I play eve. I have been in 500+ man fleet battles, everyone on grid, all pew pewing eachother. I havent had any lag/fps loss in eve since the one fleet battle back around february that i left effects on, in premium, with bloom and shadows on high. Mind you im running eve on a machine that is already a year old using a geforce 7600 video card. I live in the USA as well, and my internet is not particularly amazing. I must have a priority connection. Pro tips: USE BRACKETS, effects all need to be off, have overview tabs set according to the corp, alliance, coalition your flying with... Have a decent computer to run eve on, if you dont have a decent computer, quit eve, in fact quit gaming, start studying and get a damn job that affords you one. And give me your stuff please. This is funny because you prattle on about how people should need associates degrees in networking to touch a computer, then you list a bunch of tweaks that will have no effect on lag (generally a term applied to network latency, and not poor frame rate, except by the poorly educated) because they don't affect the amount of information traveling over the network, and will only affect frame rate. If you're in a fleet battle and your FPS is holding steady, but your modules don't actually activate until 60 seconds after you press the button, no amount of turning off effects is going to make them go any faster, as that's all client side anyway. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Brigsby5987 Pro tips: USE BRACKETS, effects all need to be off, have overview tabs set according to the corp, alliance, coalition your flying with... Have a decent computer to run eve on, if you dont have a decent computer, quit eve, in fact quit gaming, start studying and get a damn job that affords you one. And give me your stuff please. Proer Tip: Use a modern graphics card and a decent processor, somtink like a 8800GTX or a 9800GTX with a duo extreme, then you don't even have to turn effects off. The card and the computer just handles it. Especially in fleet battles where they are waiting for the server to tell them what to do for most of the time. Tell me, where did you get your associates degree in Computer networking hardware? I would like to weed out any applications from there. Thanks.
Stella Q	Posted - 2008.08.21 20:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Brigsby5987 Edited by: Brigsby5987 on 21/08/2008 19:32:04 nearly 80% of any "lag" is your fault due to lack of knowledge of the inner workings of a computer/server/networkingdevice/your system. tbh you should have to submit to an iq test and have at least an associates degree in Computer networking hardware before you can even touch a computer. Have a decent computer to run eve on, if you dont have a decent computer, quit eve, in fact quit gaming, start studying and get a damn job that affords you one. Is there someone out there that can kill this guy? I'm putting up 10 mil.
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.21 20:43:00 - [26] Originally by: SurrenderMonkey If you're in a fleet battle and your FPS is holding steady, but your modules don't actually activate until 60 seconds after you press the button, no amount of turning off effects is going to make them go any faster, as that's all client side anyway. You're wrong. First of all, FPS in the EVE client actually depends on network latency in some cases because (as stupid as it seems) the client waits for stuff to arrive from the server before it updates the screen. This is true for many UI elements. Second, the effects also need network bandwidth because the server needs to update your client's information about who activates which module (to display the effect) and where missile X is going (although this could be computed on the client side entirely as long as the server sends you the information "player A is firing a missile of type X at player B" in the beginning and keeps sending you updates for the position of player B). What I don't know is whether the server stops sending you effect information if you have that option switched off (I hope so but perhaps CCP has been lazy there and you still waste bandwidth for that even if it's turned off). That network bandwidth on your end is never an issue is very easy to see, just look at your router's stats (SNMP ... or just its web interface if it has a good bandwidth graph like a Linksys with Tomato firmware e.g.) and you'll see that the bandwidth requirements for EVE are very low.
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.21 20:57:00 - [27] Edited by: JamnOne on 21/08/2008 20:58:03 Originally by: Brigsby5987 Have a decent computer to run eve on, if you dont have a decent computer, quit eve, in fact quit gaming, start studying and get a damn job that affords you one. Damn, it is people like you who make it hard on the rest of us Americans. So, I going to throw this at you and get your opinion. Pentium IV 1.5G Ram PC133 70G HD/7200 Nvidia 5600 That is the basic part of my machine. Is it decent enough to play Eve or should I quit and get a job as well and then buy a new system? You need to think before you speak. Yes, he is having lag issues. Ask him to do ping tests or tracert and then post the numbers here. Maybe, he is on a cable modem and his neighbors are using the majority of speed if he claims it is the server side. You shouldn't make assumptions and need to try and be helpful. ________________ Poor is the nation that has no heroes. Shameful is the one that, having heroes - Forgets them! Author Unknown
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2008.08.21 21:03:00 - [28] Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 21/08/2008 21:05:26 Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 21/08/2008 21:03:54 Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: SurrenderMonkey If you're in a fleet battle and your FPS is holding steady, but your modules don't actually activate until 60 seconds after you press the button, no amount of turning off effects is going to make them go any faster, as that's all client side anyway. You're wrong. First of all, FPS in the EVE client actually depends on network latency in some cases because (as stupid as it seems) the client waits for stuff to arrive from the server before it updates the screen. This is true for many UI elements. "Updating the screen" and rendering graphics are not the same thing. I've never seen the client stop rendering what IS on screen because it's waiting for something else. Ever. Quote: Second, the effects also need network bandwidth because the server needs to update your client's information about who activates which module (to display the effect) and where missile X is going (although this could be computed on the client side entirely as long as the server sends you the information "player A is firing a missile of type X at player B" in the beginning and keeps sending you updates for the position of player B). The server is telling you, at least in the case of missiles, what they are firing at you regardless of whether or not the effects are on. Easy way to tell: Look at the combat log. Even if the effects are off, there will still be soandso's caldari navy wrath cruise missile hitting you for x damage. No server/client communication is necessary for the effect and, in fact, obviously doesn't even take place because they're completely desynchronized pretty **ing often. Quote: What I don't know is whether the server stops sending you effect information if you have that option switched off (I hope so but perhaps CCP has been lazy there and you still waste bandwidth for that even if it's turned off). That network bandwidth on your end is never an issue is very easy to see, just look at your router's stats (SNMP ... or just its web interface if it has a good bandwidth graph like a Linksys with Tomato firmware e.g.) and you'll see that the bandwidth requirements for EVE are very low. And now we come to the comedy gold because, see, you're correct about this part - the bandwidth requirement on your end is very low. Thus, even if you were correct about effects taking up more bandwidth, it would not cause 60 second module activation lag. AND, even if, for some miracle reason, it DID cause it, turning yours off would be **ing into an ocean when hundreds of other people have them on, as that kind of lag is the product of the server being weighed down by the number of calculations it's performing - not a matter of the tubes being full. This is why you can request additional CPU allocation before downtime when a large fleet battle is going to take place. So, basically, you're full of shit. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.21 21:14:00 - [29] I lost a 250mil nanoCerb to a Macro fleet once. I was just MWDing about minding my own business when I went to a 180 and 70 Cruise Missiles smacked me in the butt. - Infectious -
Blydchyld Caldari Galactic Extensive Enterprises Utterly Harmless	Posted - 2008.08.21 21:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Brigsby5987 stuff... break for pretentious garbage. tbh you should have to submit to an iq test and have at least an associates degree in Computer networking hardware before you can even touch a computer. I play eve (no wai?). I have been in 500+ man fleet battles, everyone on grid, all pew pewing eachother. I havent had any lag/fps loss in eve since the one fleet battle back around february that i left effects on, in premium, with bloom and shadows on high. Mind you im running eve on a machine that is already a year old using a geforce 7600 video card. I sense male cow poo. On the other hand it can be annoying too see people quit due to the unplayability of the game, we all know how serious CCP take it too, i mean check this out... Proof of sense of humor I think lag is a factor of eve, its part of the game, lern to adapt like the other 499 that were in Brigsbys post. I LIKE ARK! The above post is my post and does not represent the views of any entity, If my views have upset you PM me

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