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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:35:00 -
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We are Dec Shield. For the past 5 months we have been abusing wardec mechanics to help people escape valid wardecs. What we are doing is wrong and we need to be stopped, and YOU at fanfest can help stop us.
If you are at fanfest, tomorrow morning at 12:00 GMT there is a panel featuring wardec mechanics. Alas I will not be there to speak on behalf of our cause, but some of you might be.
I strongly urge you to speak up and insist that Dec Shield tactics be made illegal, and ask for CCP to change mechanics to prevent the obvious abuse we've been inflicting upon the game. OR GOD HELP YOU I'LL CONTINUE DOING THIS!
By this time tomorrow we'll have helped 315 corporations escape legit wardecs. We'll also be in 55 wars. The use of Dec Shield has only been accelerating, and we've been accepting 3-4 corporations a day now.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Dec_Shield/corporations
THE ABUSE NEEDS TO STOP.
Ask CCP why they reversed the rule about alliance hopping to wipe wardecs. Ask CCP why they've allowed me to continue this obvious abuse. Ask CCP specifically how they intend to prevent this abuse in the future.
Every time we hear the phrase "Dec Shield" mentioned over the livestream we will be taking shots. If I'm not suffering from alcohol poisoning by the end then I'll know our cause has failed. Do justice, end the abuse.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg
Free Wardec Removal |
Reppyk
The Black Shell P O D
71
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:44:00 -
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Bump.
You deserve it. |
Dirty Wizard
The Geedunk Expedition
8
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:00:00 -
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Bump for great importance. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:08:00 -
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Bum page. |
Tom from Accounting
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:22:00 -
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During the fanfest keynote this morning one of the speakers said they are looking into dec shield mechanics and are planning to put in a system to stop it. They didn't give any details though, it was just a brief comment among many features they plan on bringing out apparently. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
26
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:39:00 -
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Bump |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
659
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:16:00 -
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Well said |
Froggy Storm
Angels Of Death EVE Mayhem.
7
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:47:00 -
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+1 the shield is kinda silly |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
307
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:16:00 -
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Bump, for great justice! In irae, veritas. |
T'Pawhl
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.24 02:53:00 -
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So let's get this straight.
It costs 2 million ISK only to grief-dec some newbie corp... But it takes over 60 days to train the necessary skills plus 1 billion ISK to create an alliance for the purpose of a dec shield...
And you cry "wah not fair"?
Do you realize how much you sound like spoiled brats?
Heh maybe that's why you chose hi-sec piracy... "Me see toy! Me want toy! Me take toy, kick kid who had it before!" |
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
123
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Posted - 2012.03.24 04:07:00 -
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T'Pawhl wrote:So let's get this straight.
It costs 2 million ISK only to grief-dec some newbie corp... But it takes over 60 days to train the necessary skills plus 1 billion ISK to create an alliance for the purpose of a dec shield...
And you cry "wah not fair"?
Do you realize how much you sound like spoiled brats?
Heh maybe that's why you chose hi-sec piracy... "Me see toy! Me want toy! Me take toy, kick kid who had it before!" That's right. It's not fair. It's an improper unregulated exploit. 60 days of training to gain absolute tower immunity for an unlimited number of highsec corps is absolutely completely unfair. 1bil isk is nothing compared to the cost of what we can and have saved.
PVP in Eve was designed to be non-consensual if you joined a player corp. Player corp assets in space were never designed to be invulnerable no matter how you care to spin it. We have fundamentally broken the sandbox, and it needs to be repaired.
In a few hours I expect we will have justice (and that I will be very wasted).
Free Wardec Removal |
Andrea Griffin
190
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Posted - 2012.03.24 04:51:00 -
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An outstanding service provided by an outstanding member of the Eve community. I wholly endorse this service and the spirit in which it is offered! CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
T'Pawhl
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.24 04:56:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:T'Pawhl wrote:So let's get this straight.
It costs 2 million ISK only to grief-dec some newbie corp... But it takes over 60 days to train the necessary skills plus 1 billion ISK to create an alliance for the purpose of a dec shield...
And you cry "wah not fair"?
Do you realize how much you sound like spoiled brats?
Heh maybe that's why you chose hi-sec piracy... "Me see toy! Me want toy! Me take toy, kick kid who had it before!" That's right. It's not fair. It's an improper unregulated exploit. 60 days of training to gain absolute tower immunity for an unlimited number of highsec corps is absolutely completely unfair. 1bil isk is nothing compared to the cost of what we can and have saved. PVP in Eve was designed to be non-consensual if you joined a player corp. Player corp assets in space were never designed to be invulnerable no matter how you care to spin it. We have fundamentally broken the sandbox, and it needs to be repaired. In a few hours I expect we will have justice (and that I will be very wasted).
Oh my god you are so small minded. Yes EVE is non-consensual, and the people you are trying to blow up are non-consensually running away from you so you can't blow them up. Imagine that! o\
Let me explain:
No matter which way you cut it, there is a 24 hour period during which the Corp has a live war dec. This means towers have to go down or else they can get popped. If the (pirate/griefer/whatever) Corp keeps redecing, the tower is never up long enough to get anything appreciable accomplished. For 2 million ISK, you've effectively shut down the entire Corporation's Industry, and if they're the type of Corp to run from a fight, they probably aren't undocking either, so they are completely locked down for 24 hour intervals. So while the towers can't be exploded (because they're in a hangar), they most certainly can be prevented from being used. And do you know what the Corp who war decced you can do? Anchor their own tower with an array of guns where yours used to be. Imagine that! o\ This is EVE, adapt or cry. Oops I mean die. ;) Sorry... hehe
In reality, very, very few players and player organizations will have the resources and wherewithal to create their own dec shields. In fact, I bet 90% of the Corps who joined Dec Shield didn't even know it existed save for your loudmouth soapboxing about it. Take you out of the equation, and there is no problem. The equation is balanced. Personally, I think they should just ban you for being so pretentious and disruptive and whiny.
The fact is, any game mechanic can be abused. Just because you're "abusing" a mechanic does not make it an exploit nor does it make it wrong. Take Goonswarm messing with CONCORD mechanics and locking down entire systems so no one can mine ice. It's perfectly legitimate because CCP says it is. But imagine if Goonswarm and a few of their allies did it in every system simultaneously for 12+ hours out of the day - basically no one could really mine. And when Goon sec status dropped, they just rotated to null-sec and ratted it back up. Would you cry that it was an abuse of mechanics; should CCP step in? Yes - because legitimate game-mechanics are being abused to cause widespread disruption of the entire game.
You're doing the best you can to abuse a legitimate game mechanic and it has had... null effect on the overall balance of New Eden. Hate to break it to you, but you are just one drop of water in a bucket. A noisy drop, but still just an insignificant drop.
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Lithalnas
Privateers Privateer Alliance
109
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Posted - 2012.03.24 07:17:00 -
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wow someone has a stick up his bum
Who is your main so i can wardec him? Privateer Alliance, rebuilding a not so safe High Sec.-á
Want to assist in this endevor? (contract wars, corp/pilot recrutment) Contact one of our directors. |
T'Pawhl
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.24 07:25:00 -
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Lithalnas wrote:wow someone has a stick up his bum
Who is your main so i can wardec him?
Vivian Volkoff, come and get me little b*tch. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
618
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Posted - 2012.03.24 07:58:00 -
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I'm going to be honest here. When I first heard about this, I thought it was bullshit too. Then I realized that high sec PvP is 99% cowards who hide behind neutral RR alts and only prey on the weak. So I really have no issues with the war dec shield.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
313
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Posted - 2012.03.24 08:02:00 -
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T'Pawhl wrote:
Oh my god you are so small minded. Yes EVE is non-consensual, and the people you are trying to blow up are non-consensually running away from you so you can't blow them up. Imagine that! o\
Let me explain:
No matter which way you cut it, there is a 24 hour period during which the Corp has a live war dec. This means towers have to go down or else they can get popped.
Wrong - But thanks for playing....
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Xuse Senna
Saiph Industries SRS.
160
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Posted - 2012.03.24 08:20:00 -
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+1 D3 |
Goonspiracy
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.24 10:23:00 -
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T'Pawhl wrote:Take Goonswarm messing with CONCORD mechanics and locking down entire systems so no one can mine ice. It's perfectly legitimate because CCP says it is. But imagine if Goonswarm and a few of their allies did it in every system simultaneously for 12+ hours out of the day - basically no one could really mine. And when Goon sec status dropped, they just rotated to null-sec and ratted it back up. Would you cry that it was an abuse of mechanics; should CCP step in? Yes - because legitimate game-mechanics are being abused to cause widespread disruption of the entire game. But... what if Dec Shield WAS Goonswarm? I'm not saying it's a goonspiracy.... but it's a goonspiracy |
magic preacher
Concentrated Evil Mining For Profit Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.03.24 11:21:00 -
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T'Pawhl wrote:Lithalnas wrote:wow someone has a stick up his bum
Who is your main so i can wardec him? Vivian Volkoff, come and get me little b*tch.
nice KB ... awesome
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Vivian+Volkoff#kills
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
126
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Posted - 2012.03.24 13:03:00 -
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I'm completely sober ><
But the wardec panel was overall some very decent changes compared to current mechanics Free Wardec Removal |
Cannibal Kane
Brotherhood of KANE
314
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Posted - 2012.03.24 13:11:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:I'm completely sober ><
But the wardec panel was overall some very decent changes compared to current mechanics
I sense those that have the isk to burn.... EVE-UNI is going to Get some incoming wars.
I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell P O D
73
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Posted - 2012.03.24 13:21:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:I sense those that have the isk to burn.... EVE-UNI is going to Get some incoming wars.
Consequences in EVE.
EVE-UNI will pay for its shield (and not because "easy targets in bantam herp derp"), and the merc business will expand. This sounds good.
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Te Tapunui
Sleeping Dogs Awake
9
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Posted - 2012.03.24 14:25:00 -
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So am I hoping against hope that decshield may close up shop soon?
I've just lost another 3 wars to the shield. I Do get the point tho, and support the protest. A war should be just that.....a WAR. Wars are not consentual, and wars cannot be ended by simply pawning it off on someone else...
the current situation is laughable;
Germany invades poland. England declares war on Germany. Germany joins the axis alliance with Italy. England finds itself at war with the axis. Germany leaves the axis and England is no longer at war with Germany. The axis surrenders to a very confused England. Germany keeps Poland, moves on to france.... |
Callous Jade
Narcissistic Ventures
15
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Posted - 2012.03.24 17:53:00 -
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T'Pawhl wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:T'Pawhl wrote:So let's get this straight.
It costs 2 million ISK only to grief-dec some newbie corp... But it takes over 60 days to train the necessary skills plus 1 billion ISK to create an alliance for the purpose of a dec shield...
And you cry "wah not fair"?
Do you realize how much you sound like spoiled brats?
Heh maybe that's why you chose hi-sec piracy... "Me see toy! Me want toy! Me take toy, kick kid who had it before!" That's right. It's not fair. It's an improper unregulated exploit. 60 days of training to gain absolute tower immunity for an unlimited number of highsec corps is absolutely completely unfair. 1bil isk is nothing compared to the cost of what we can and have saved. PVP in Eve was designed to be non-consensual if you joined a player corp. Player corp assets in space were never designed to be invulnerable no matter how you care to spin it. We have fundamentally broken the sandbox, and it needs to be repaired. In a few hours I expect we will have justice (and that I will be very wasted). Oh my god you are so small minded. Yes EVE is non-consensual, and the people you are trying to blow up are non-consensually running away from you so you can't blow them up. Imagine that! o\ Let me explain: No matter which way you cut it, there is a 24 hour period during which the Corp has a live war dec. This means towers have to go down or else they can get popped. If the (pirate/griefer/whatever) Corp keeps redecing, the tower is never up long enough to get anything appreciable accomplished. For 2 million ISK, you've effectively shut down the entire Corporation's Industry, and if they're the type of Corp to run from a fight, they probably aren't undocking either, so they are completely locked down for 24 hour intervals. So while the towers can't be exploded (because they're in a hangar), they most certainly can be prevented from being used. And do you know what the Corp who war decced you can do? Anchor their own tower with an array of guns where yours used to be. Imagine that! o\ This is EVE, adapt or cry. Oops I mean die. ;) Sorry... hehe In reality, very, very few players and player organizations will have the resources and wherewithal to create their own dec shields. In fact, I bet 90% of the Corps who joined Dec Shield didn't even know it existed save for your loudmouth soapboxing about it. Take you out of the equation, and there is no problem. The equation is balanced. Personally, I think they should just ban you for being so pretentious and disruptive and whiny. The fact is, any game mechanic can be abused. Just because you're "abusing" a mechanic does not make it an exploit nor does it make it wrong. Take Goonswarm messing with CONCORD mechanics and locking down entire systems so no one can mine ice. It's perfectly legitimate because CCP says it is. But imagine if Goonswarm and a few of their allies did it in every system simultaneously for 12+ hours out of the day - basically no one could really mine. And when Goon sec status dropped, they just rotated to null-sec and ratted it back up. Would you cry that it was an abuse of mechanics; should CCP step in? Yes - because legitimate game-mechanics are being abused to cause widespread disruption of the entire game. You're doing the best you can to abuse a legitimate game mechanic and it has had... null effect on the overall balance of New Eden. Hate to break it to you, but you are just one drop of water in a bucket. A noisy drop, but still just an insignificant drop.
TLDR: Tears from a gold farming parasite. |
T'Pawhl
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.24 17:56:00 -
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Callous Jade wrote:T'Pawhl wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:T'Pawhl wrote:So let's get this straight.
It costs 2 million ISK only to grief-dec some newbie corp... But it takes over 60 days to train the necessary skills plus 1 billion ISK to create an alliance for the purpose of a dec shield...
And you cry "wah not fair"?
Do you realize how much you sound like spoiled brats?
Heh maybe that's why you chose hi-sec piracy... "Me see toy! Me want toy! Me take toy, kick kid who had it before!" That's right. It's not fair. It's an improper unregulated exploit. 60 days of training to gain absolute tower immunity for an unlimited number of highsec corps is absolutely completely unfair. 1bil isk is nothing compared to the cost of what we can and have saved. PVP in Eve was designed to be non-consensual if you joined a player corp. Player corp assets in space were never designed to be invulnerable no matter how you care to spin it. We have fundamentally broken the sandbox, and it needs to be repaired. In a few hours I expect we will have justice (and that I will be very wasted). Oh my god you are so small minded. Yes EVE is non-consensual, and the people you are trying to blow up are non-consensually running away from you so you can't blow them up. Imagine that! o\ Let me explain: No matter which way you cut it, there is a 24 hour period during which the Corp has a live war dec. This means towers have to go down or else they can get popped. If the (pirate/griefer/whatever) Corp keeps redecing, the tower is never up long enough to get anything appreciable accomplished. For 2 million ISK, you've effectively shut down the entire Corporation's Industry, and if they're the type of Corp to run from a fight, they probably aren't undocking either, so they are completely locked down for 24 hour intervals. So while the towers can't be exploded (because they're in a hangar), they most certainly can be prevented from being used. And do you know what the Corp who war decced you can do? Anchor their own tower with an array of guns where yours used to be. Imagine that! o\ This is EVE, adapt or cry. Oops I mean die. ;) Sorry... hehe In reality, very, very few players and player organizations will have the resources and wherewithal to create their own dec shields. In fact, I bet 90% of the Corps who joined Dec Shield didn't even know it existed save for your loudmouth soapboxing about it. Take you out of the equation, and there is no problem. The equation is balanced. Personally, I think they should just ban you for being so pretentious and disruptive and whiny. The fact is, any game mechanic can be abused. Just because you're "abusing" a mechanic does not make it an exploit nor does it make it wrong. Take Goonswarm messing with CONCORD mechanics and locking down entire systems so no one can mine ice. It's perfectly legitimate because CCP says it is. But imagine if Goonswarm and a few of their allies did it in every system simultaneously for 12+ hours out of the day - basically no one could really mine. And when Goon sec status dropped, they just rotated to null-sec and ratted it back up. Would you cry that it was an abuse of mechanics; should CCP step in? Yes - because legitimate game-mechanics are being abused to cause widespread disruption of the entire game. You're doing the best you can to abuse a legitimate game mechanic and it has had... null effect on the overall balance of New Eden. Hate to break it to you, but you are just one drop of water in a bucket. A noisy drop, but still just an insignificant drop. TLDR: Tears from a gold farming parasite.
Awww, nothing to actually say?
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
91
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Posted - 2012.03.25 05:04:00 -
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T'Pawhl wrote:Lithalnas wrote:wow someone has a stick up his bum
Who is your main so i can wardec him? Vivian Volkoff, come and get me little b*tch.
When keepin it real goes wrong. ^^ |
Anya Klibor
Error-404
10
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Posted - 2012.03.25 20:02:00 -
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DecShield could have lots of fun if they want to "exploit" this.
Make all decs against you mutual. That way no one has to pay, and we can kill anyone in the alliance. The war isn't technically over!
I'm not sure if you can do the same thing in alliances as you can corporations, but can you give corps roles so they can't instantly leave the alliance? It'd be another great way to troll the carebears. |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
132
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Posted - 2012.03.26 00:07:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:DecShield could have lots of fun if they want to "exploit" this.
Make all decs against you mutual. That way no one has to pay, and we can kill anyone in the alliance. The war isn't technically over!
I'm not sure if you can do the same thing in alliances as you can corporations, but can you give corps roles so they can't instantly leave the alliance? It'd be another great way to troll the carebears. All our wars are mutual. That's why we have 55 of them right now Free Wardec Removal |
Anya Klibor
Error-404
10
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:38:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:DecShield could have lots of fun if they want to "exploit" this.
Make all decs against you mutual. That way no one has to pay, and we can kill anyone in the alliance. The war isn't technically over!
I'm not sure if you can do the same thing in alliances as you can corporations, but can you give corps roles so they can't instantly leave the alliance? It'd be another great way to troll the carebears. All our wars are mutual. That's why we have 55 of them right now
I like you. BFFLs? |
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