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Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.08.22 19:30:00 - [1] After the introduction of invention the Covetor quickly became the most ridiculous non-combat ship in existence. Why? Because Hulks dropped from around 500 mil to 100. The difference in the amount of skill training time between the Covetor and the Hulk is practically measured in hours (you only need Spaceship Command 4 and Exhumers 3 on top of the skills for the Covetor in order to fly a Hulk.) Given how much better a Hulk is than a Covetor, why should anyone even bother with the thing, except when trying to invent a Hulk BPC? This is me formally requesting that either Astrogeology or Mining Barges be reduced in required skill from 5 to 4 in order to use the Covetor. This will separate the basic skill training time of the ships by nearly three weeks and give people a reason to actually stop and consider using a Covetor with their current skills. Three weeks of time saved thusly, that can be used towards training up for better mining crystals and refining skill or something. The fact of the matter is that the Covetor is still existing in a pre-invention mining paradigm, where it is assumed that the average miner can't afford a half billion-ISK mining ship like the pre-invention Hulk. Get with the times, ORE (well, CCP.) SPEND Corp is now recruiting! Click for details.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.08.22 19:30:00 - [2] After the introduction of invention the Covetor quickly became the most ridiculous non-combat ship in existence. Why? Because Hulks dropped from around 500 mil to 100. The difference in the amount of skill training time between the Covetor and the Hulk is practically measured in hours (you only need Spaceship Command 4 and Exhumers 3 on top of the skills for the Covetor in order to fly a Hulk.) Given how much better a Hulk is than a Covetor, why should anyone even bother with the thing, except when trying to invent a Hulk BPC? This is me formally requesting that either Astrogeology or Mining Barges be reduced in required skill from 5 to 4 in order to use the Covetor. This will separate the basic skill training time of the ships by nearly three weeks and give people a reason to actually stop and consider using a Covetor with their current skills. Three weeks of time saved thusly, that can be used towards training up for better mining crystals and refining skill or something. The fact of the matter is that the Covetor is still existing in a pre-invention mining paradigm, where it is assumed that the average miner can't afford a half billion-ISK mining ship like the pre-invention Hulk. Get with the times, ORE (well, CCP.) SPEND Corp is now recruiting! Click for details.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.22 19:45:00 - [3] Edited by: Akita T on 22/08/2008 19:45:05 No, it's the SECOND most ridiculous non-combat ship in existence. The number one spot is the Procurer P.S. But agreed, Astrogeo 4 and Barge 4 should be enough for Covetor. _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.22 19:45:00 - [4] Edited by: Akita T on 22/08/2008 19:45:05 No, it's the SECOND most ridiculous non-combat ship in existence. The number one spot is the Procurer P.S. But agreed, Astrogeo 4 and Barge 4 should be enough for Covetor. _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix
Sile Suirghiche Gaidhlig Technology	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Akita T P.S. But agreed, Astrogeo 4 and Barge 4 should be enough for Covetor. ...and Exhumers V for the Hulk.
thisismyalt	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:01:00 - [6] Iteron4 is also a useless stop along the way to Iteron5 - lets give the Iteron4 a 4th low slot to make it an appreciable upgrade from Iteron3.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:02:00 - [7] Edited by: Tippia on 22/08/2008 20:06:08 Originally by: Sile Suirghiche Originally by: Akita T P.S. But agreed, Astrogeo 4 and Barge 4 should be enough for Covetor. ...and Exhumers V for the Hulk. Ugh! Ages! The small difference in skill requirements between the exhumers makes a bit more sense than between the barges, since each exhumer has a very clearly defined role. Admittedly, the Hulk's Ice mining bonus makes the distinction less clear, so maybe that one should go as well.
Alora Venoda GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:08:00 - [8] on occasion, even though i can fly a hulk, i still use covetor to mine in remote areas since they are cheap and easy to get compared to a hulk. this way i don't have to lug around my hulk all over the place, or have a different hulk at every little mining camp i setup. but generally i do agree that covetor is kind of pointless since you can go straight to hulk very quickly, once able to fly one. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:16:00 - [9] So this would allow miners to mine even more at an earlier stage of their career. Way to go, if you want mineral prices to fall even further.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Banana Torres So this would allow miners to mine even more at an earlier stage of their career. Way to go, if you want mineral prices to fall even further. Easy to fix… just remove the drone alloys, and let mining be the main source of minerals.
Sile Suirghiche Gaidhlig Technology	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Sile Suirghiche Exhumers V for the Hulk. Ugh! Ages! Exactly. The original complaint was that "skill training time between the Covetor and the Hulk is practically measured in hours". Honestly though Exhumers is just a little level 5 skill, that's hardly "ages" to train.
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Banana Torres So this would allow miners to mine even more at an earlier stage of their career. Way to go, if you want mineral prices to fall even further. Easy to fixà just remove the drone alloys, and let mining be the main source of minerals. Ah! The very man I have been looking for. You obviously know, otherwise you response is just veribage, the answer to the question that I have been asking on several threads. Which is: What is the quantity of minerals obtained from mining compared to the quantity of minerals obtained from non-mining sources?
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:27:00 - [13] Edited by: Tippia on 22/08/2008 20:30:38 Originally by: Sile Suirghiche Exactly. The original complaint was that "skill training time between the Covetor and the Hulk is practically measured in hours". True, and lowering to Barges IV and Astrogeo IV changes that difference from mere hours into three or four weeks. …then again, the whole Barge needs to be reworked, since both the bottom and the top tier are largely pointless. Originally by: Banana Torres What is the quantity of minerals obtained from mining compared to the quantity of minerals obtained from non-mining sources? Large enough to make the mining of mid-range (and supposedly hard-to-get) minerals less profitable than mining tonnes of the most common high-sec ores.
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:32:00 - [14] Edited by: Frug on 22/08/2008 20:33:12 Originally by: Banana Torres So this would allow miners to mine even more at an earlier stage of their career. Way to go, if you want mineral prices to fall even further. I doubt the impact of making it easier to get into a low end mining ship would be very large. It's a transitional ship, outclassed by one that isn't far away. Part of the point the OP is making is that it's not a ship you stick with anyway. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Banana Torres What is the quantity of minerals obtained from mining compared to the quantity of minerals obtained from non-mining sources? Large enough to make the mining of mid-range (and supposedly hard-to-get) minerals less profitable than mining tonnes of the most common high-sec ores. How do you know this? Or is this just your opinion?
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Banana Torres How do you know this? Or is this just your opinion? So sayeth the market.
Kneebone	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:41:00 - [17] And what happened to the market after shuttles were removed? Trit skyrocketed to a price that was LOWER! The Market is a funny thing.
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Banana Torres How do you know this? Or is this just your opinion? So sayeth the market. If the amount of minerals produced by miners is far greater than the amount of minerals produced by other means, then all the market sayeth is that miners are producing too much minerals. I see you do not possess the information needed to make rational decisions about the mineral market, so unless you have some hard facts you wish to share with me, this will be my last post in this thread.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Kneebone And what happened to the market after shuttles were removed? Trit skyrocketed to a price that was LOWER! Trit skyrocketed until the new cap was found, at which point failed speculation (which had been building since before shuttles were removed) kicked in and the market crashed. Originally by: Banana Torres If the amount of minerals produced by miners is far greater than the amount of minerals produced by other means, then all the market sayeth is that miners are producing too much minerals. So? The same thing happens no matter where the over-abundance of minerals come from. Quote: I see you do not possess the information needed to make rational decisions about the mineral market, so unless you have some hard facts you wish to share with me, this will be my last post in this thread. I possess all the information I need. Bye-bye.
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.08.22 21:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Dirk Magnum After the introduction of invention the Covetor quickly became the most ridiculous non-combat ship in existence. Why? Because Hulks dropped from around 500 mil to 100. The difference in the amount of skill training time between the Covetor and the Hulk is practically measured in hours (you only need Spaceship Command 4 and Exhumers 3 on top of the skills for the Covetor in order to fly a Hulk.) Given how much better a Hulk is than a Covetor, why should anyone even bother with the thing, except when trying to invent a Hulk BPC? This is me formally requesting that either Astrogeology or Mining Barges be reduced in required skill from 5 to 4 in order to use the Covetor. This will separate the basic skill training time of the ships by nearly three weeks and give people a reason to actually stop and consider using a Covetor with their current skills. Three weeks of time saved thusly, that can be used towards training up for better mining crystals and refining skill or something. The fact of the matter is that the Covetor is still existing in a pre-invention mining paradigm, where it is assumed that the average miner can't afford a half billion-ISK mining ship like the pre-invention Hulk. Get with the times, ORE (well, CCP.) Far better solution is to make the hulk require exhumer 5, cos tbh its ridiculous that the top model mining ship is so easy to train for.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.22 21:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Doddy Far better solution is to make the hulk require exhumer 5, cos tbh its ridiculous that the top model mining ship is so easy to train for. …and the other two?
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2008.08.22 21:41:00 - [22] Yup.
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.08.22 21:45:00 - [23] Edited by: Franga on 22/08/2008 21:45:25 I would like to formally request that in order for dreadnaughts to be flown, the skill requirements be lowered to Gallente Frigate 4 and Small Hybrid Turret 3. Could the market and mineral cost of the Moros also be lowered to somewhere around the 40ISK mark. Also, could these changes just be made for me. It would be silly to do this for everyone as any old goose could then fly and afford one. Thanks in advance. PS: The OP actually makes a pretty good point. EDIT: Spelling. =(
Daniel Jackson Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.22 22:29:00 - [24] Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 22/08/2008 22:33:59 Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 22/08/2008 22:30:01 i fly hulks and love them i gather enouth ore worth ,minerals for my production needs in just 4 houres of mining in high sec with it by my self, and i have enouth minerals to last me for a LONG TIME but then again i do use 2 t2 minign upgrades, and 3 t2 stripers awith t2 mining crystles and lvl 5 mining skills includign exumers lvl 5 and such but simple answer is CCP Please make it so that ships cost MORE Minerals to build then they do allready, and ffor gods sakes DEFALENTY Make battleships cost ALOT MORE minerals then they do now cause you can buy them at REDICALY cheap prices now + we miners need more iskys out of the market vs time to get them ___________________
GallenteCitizen20080615 Gallente Federation War News	Posted - 2008.08.22 22:37:00 - [25] Edited by: GallenteCitizen20080615 on 22/08/2008 22:38:56 i has exhumer 5 but i still use covertor i am camping out a enemy area atm and they arn't brining the fight so why should i bring my hulk to a very hostile but not very active area...well i buy a cheapy thing that i can throw away, my mining skills are maxed with a command ship alt with mining foreman link ready for 0.0 mining but moving the hulk through all the jump bridges when i can start right then...well there is your answer to sum it up mining in hostile areas fully of your enemies and to whom ever suggested to get rid of drone alloys really need to get a grip the drone region have nothing but ore ...what else do you expect us to do for isk up there >_> clueless -_/-_/-_/-_/- Please return trays to their upright position. Thanks you for riding the forums

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