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Burn Mac Minmatar Burning Steel Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.23 10:58:00 - [1] I was thinking about the stabber the other day and as i see it its advantage is its speed and speed bonus. Well since it wont be able to speed away from missiles (maybe it never was able too i dont know). I was thinking, that it still will be able to out speed any T1 cruiser. So i was thinking should¦nt the Stabber be able to fly at a good range away from most ships (18-20 km away) with a t2 disruptor it can still keep point and with Barrage and ambit extension it will still be well within falloff. The question i thought about later on was what to target: Amarr cruisers: Omen: If T2 turret fitted it will just switch to Scorch and still be able to hit it i guess, hence it wont fly well against this, but atleast i can disengage since the omen is slower. Maller: Well if it got medium turrets the same as the omen and if it has a good tank it will take a loooong time to break its tank, might still be able to pwn the small turret large buffer tanked maller. Arbitrator: Well since the stabber wont fit web it cant take out the drones and since the stabber uses turrets and the arbi TD:s its a no go but hey atleast i can disengage. Gallente Cruisers: Thorax: Will be able to stay away from its blaster since the stabber is faster and can dictate range, still have to handle the drones, still can disengage. Vexor: Too much drones, disengage Caldari Cruisers: Well they will all hit the stabber full on, disengage ffs. Other Minnie cruisers: Well if i can hit em they can prolly hit me but they will have heavier tank hence i can disengage. Well seems to me like post nerf the stabber can only be a full fledged n00b hunter since if the enemy pilot isnt one, all i can do is disengage. First off these are all speculations since the speed nerf isnt here yet, but how will someone be able to fly this ship with any success i just cant see it right now. Is it just suppose to be a heavy tackler putting on disruptor point on ships?
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:00:00 - [2] Originally by: Burn Mac I was thinking about the stabber the other day and as i see it its advantage is its speed and speed bonus. Well since it wont be able to speed away from missiles (maybe it never was able too i dont know). I was thinking, that it still will be able to out speed any T1 cruiser. So i was thinking should¦nt the Stabber be able to fly at a good range away from most ships (18-20 km away) with a t2 disruptor it can still keep point and with Barrage and ambit extension it will still be well within falloff. The question i thought about later on was what to target: Amarr cruisers: Omen: If T2 turret fitted it will just switch to Scorch and still be able to hit it i guess, hence it wont fly well against this, but atleast i can disengage since the omen is slower. Maller: Well if it got medium turrets the same as the omen and if it has a good tank it will take a loooong time to break its tank, might still be able to pwn the small turret large buffer tanked maller. Arbitrator: Well since the stabber wont fit web it cant take out the drones and since the stabber uses turrets and the arbi TD:s its a no go but hey atleast i can disengage. Gallente Cruisers: Thorax: Will be able to stay away from its blaster since the stabber is faster and can dictate range, still have to handle the drones, still can disengage. Vexor: Too much drones, disengage Caldari Cruisers: Well they will all hit the stabber full on, disengage ffs. Other Minnie cruisers: Well if i can hit em they can prolly hit me but they will have heavier tank hence i can disengage. Well seems to me like post nerf the stabber can only be a full fledged n00b hunter since if the enemy pilot isnt one, all i can do is disengage. First off these are all speculations since the speed nerf isnt here yet, but how will someone be able to fly this ship with any success i just cant see it right now. Is it just suppose to be a heavy tackler putting on disruptor point on ships? Wait you're whining about the stabber and compare it to the omen? Who the heck loses against an omen in a stabber?
Burn Mac Minmatar Burning Steel Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:02:00 - [3] Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Burn Mac first post Wait you're whining about the stabber and compare it to the omen? Who the heck loses against an omen in a stabber? Im just speculating it will since the omen will be able to hit it with a higher dps carrying a higher ehp.
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Burn Mac Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Burn Mac first post Wait you're whining about the stabber and compare it to the omen? Who the heck loses against an omen in a stabber? Im just speculating it will since the omen will be able to hit it with a higher dps carrying a higher ehp. can we see these setups you speak of?
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:04:00 - [5] Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Burn Mac Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Burn Mac first post Wait you're whining about the stabber and compare it to the omen? Who the heck loses against an omen in a stabber? Im just speculating it will since the omen will be able to hit it with a higher dps carrying a higher ehp. can we see these setups you speak of? actually a buffertanked pulse omen would have no problem eating a stabber.......well if the stabber pilot dosent warp off
Burn Mac Minmatar Burning Steel Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:10:00 - [6] Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Burn Mac Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Burn Mac first post Wait you're whining about the stabber and compare it to the omen? Who the heck loses against an omen in a stabber? Im just speculating it will since the omen will be able to hit it with a higher dps carrying a higher ehp. can we see these setups you speak of? Dont have the skills to fly it yet (T2 med AC:s needed plx) but i was thinking something like: Highs: 4 x Dual 180 T2:s w/ Barrage 2 x Standard Missile launchers w/ Phalanx Meds: 1 x 10 MN MWD T2, 1 x Warp Disruptor T2 1 x LSE T2 Lows: 1 x DCU T2 , 2 x Gyro T2 Drones:1 x Hobgoblin Rigs: Projectile Ambit extension x 2
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:10:00 - [7] Originally by: Arvald actually a buffertanked pulse omen would have no problem eating a stabber.......well if the stabber pilot dosent warp off As a stabber pilot, I can confirm this. _______ ◕◡◕
Burn Mac Minmatar Burning Steel Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Great Artista Originally by: Arvald actually a buffertanked pulse omen would have no problem eating a stabber.......well if the stabber pilot dosent warp off As a stabber pilot, I can confirm this. Hope you warped out atleast
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Burn Mac Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Burn Mac Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Burn Mac first post Wait you're whining about the stabber and compare it to the omen? Who the heck loses against an omen in a stabber? Im just speculating it will since the omen will be able to hit it with a higher dps carrying a higher ehp. can we see these setups you speak of? Dont have the skills to fly it yet (T2 med AC:s needed plx) but i was thinking something like: Highs: 4 x Dual 180 T2:s w/ Barrage 2 x Standard Missile launchers w/ Phalanx Meds: 1 x 10 MN MWD T2, 1 x Warp Disruptor T2 1 x LSE T2 Lows: 1 x DCU T2 , 2 x Gyro T2 Drones:1 x Hobgoblin Rigs: Projectile Ambit extension x 2 If you consider attacking turret ships like omen how about you stick a TD in that last mid instead of a lse?
Burn Mac Minmatar Burning Steel Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:15:00 - [10] Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Burn Mac Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Burn Mac Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Burn Mac first post Wait you're whining about the stabber and compare it to the omen? Who the heck loses against an omen in a stabber? Im just speculating it will since the omen will be able to hit it with a higher dps carrying a higher ehp. can we see these setups you speak of? Dont have the skills to fly it yet (T2 med AC:s needed plx) but i was thinking something like: Highs: 4 x Dual 180 T2:s w/ Barrage 2 x Standard Missile launchers w/ Phalanx Meds: 1 x 10 MN MWD T2, 1 x Warp Disruptor T2 1 x LSE T2 Lows: 1 x DCU T2 , 2 x Gyro T2 Drones:1 x Hobgoblin Rigs: Projectile Ambit extension x 2 If you consider attacking turret ships like omen how about you stick a TD in that last mid instead of a lse? Cause then i wont be able to even tank those 3 light drones that the omen can wield
ShadowlordUK Portal Technologies	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:19:00 - [11] Edited by: ShadowlordUK on 23/08/2008 11:20:19 You've kind of hit the nail on the head without realising it. A ship that is fast and can disengage at will with relatively low dps and not much in the way of a tank. Something seems familiar.... oh yes thats it. The stabber is a natural nano ship. Possibly one of the few ships that the whole 'im uber skilled because me and my 40 friends can go into enemy space, hit orbit and kill a solo bs' playstyle will be able to use post patch. As much as i find the nano 'adapt or leave' brigade whining is hilarious , yes the stabber and the vagabond will still be able to benefit from reduced dmg taken due to speed tanking because the devs will make sure of it. Devs are already looking at rebalancing the modifiers on missiles for the reduced speeds and no doubt they will do the same for tracking on turrets. No, people wont be immune to all dmg anymore due to turrets not tracking and missiles doing 0 dmg but.... I believe there are veldspar roids in high sec for the people who want to play without any risk of dieing. The real question is not, what can my stabber kill solo? Its: what can 20 stabbers kill in a fast moving budget psudo-nano gang after the patch?
Burn Mac Minmatar Burning Steel Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:24:00 - [12] Originally by: ShadowlordUK Edited by: ShadowlordUK on 23/08/2008 11:20:19 You've kind of hit the nail on the head without realising it. A ship that is fast and can disengage at will with relatively low dps and not much in the way of a tank. Something seems familiar.... oh yes thats it. The stabber is a natural nano ship. Possibly one of the few ships that the whole 'im uber skilled because me and my 40 friends can go into enemy space, hit orbit and kill a solo bs' playstyle will be able to use post patch. As much as i find the nano 'adapt or leave' brigade whining is hilarious , yes the stabber and the vagabond will still be able to benefit from reduced dmg taken due to speed tanking because the devs will make sure of it. Devs are already looking at rebalancing the modifiers on missiles for the reduced speeds and no doubt they will do the same for tracking on turrets. No, people wont be immune to all dmg anymore due to turrets not tracking and missiles doing 0 dmg but.... I believe there are veldspar roids in high sec for the people who want to play without any risk of dieing. The real question is not, what can my stabber kill solo? Its: what can 20 stabbers kill in a fast moving budget psudo-nano gang after the patch? Im not assuming the stabber will be immune to dmg,but i whould like its speed to negate damage as much as slow moving ships normal tanks.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:44:00 - [13] The Stabber is too slow post patch, actually. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:52:00 - [14] Originally by: sdthujfg Wait you're whining about the stabber and compare it to the omen? Who the heck loses against an omen in a stabber? fail omen wtfpwns a stabber
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Captator Originally by: sdthujfg Wait you're whining about the stabber and compare it to the omen? Who the heck loses against an omen in a stabber? fail omen wtfpwns a stabber Omen will force a Stabber to disengage or die horribly. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.08.23 12:01:00 - [16] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Captator Originally by: sdthujfg Wait you're whining about the stabber and compare it to the omen? Who the heck loses against an omen in a stabber? fail omen wtfpwns a stabber Omen will force a Stabber to disengage or die horribly. precisely , and my omen is for a short while fast enough to ensure disengaging is not possible.
Burn Mac Minmatar Burning Steel Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.23 14:11:00 - [17] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 23/08/2008 11:46:57 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 23/08/2008 11:46:11 The Stabber is too slow post patch, actually. It's extemely hard (next to impossible) to mitigate any meaningful amount of damage in it or prevent being caught by a lot of things (unless you devote all three lows to speed, and then you do frig-like DPS and will suffer capdeath before you can kill another T1 cruiser) ... but it was a sucky ship pre-patch too, so meh. I generally kill Stabbers on TQ with a Rifter Save the stabber, fast cruisers needs boost :D

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