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Evanga	Posted - 2008.08.25 14:15:00 - [1] What is better to use for jumping stuff in low sec, a carrier or a jump freighter? And what are the pros and negs about each ship? Im starting to get crazy cause 50% of the people i speak about jf's say those are better and saver. I still have the feeling to go for a carrier cause of fitting a certain defense. This question is related to what im starting to train next; jf's or carriers... Any advice? I first want to be able to jump stuff, is a jump freighter better then?
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.25 14:20:00 - [2] Jump freighter # Cost 4bil # can have about 350k m3 in cargo # no ship bay for assembled ships # can use normal jumpgates and travel in high sec # can be cynod out from high sec to low/00 space. Carrier # cost about 800-1bil isk. # can have 10-30k m3 in cargo # do have a ship bay, 1mil m3 for ship that are assembled (no modules in cargo) # cant use jumpgates, must be in low sec and 0.0. Rorqual # cost about 2bil. # can have 125k m3 with rigs and expanders # have a ship bay but only for industrials and mining bargers. # cant use jumpgates so imo, it all depends on what you are going to use the ship for. and how much isk you have to spend think think think.... -- ♫♪ ♥ ♫♪
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2008.08.25 14:29:00 - [3] The choice of ship is all about what you need it to do: How much stuff are you planning on moving? If it's regularly going to be more than a carrier or a Rorqual can handle, a Jump Freighter is the way to go. Are you moving stuff into HiSec? If yes, the Jump Freighter is a better choice since you won't have to offload from a Carrier/Rorq to a regular hauler. How far are you moving? Carriers have a greater jump range than either JFs or Rorqs so if you can cram it into a Carrier and jump it once instead of jumping twice in a JF/Rorq, the carrier may be a better choice. And finally, what else do you do aside from moving stuff? If all you do is move stuff, and all you ever plan to do is move stuff, the Jump Freighter is the clear winner. If you mine at all, go for a Rorqual. If you ever expect to fight or support ships in a fight, use a Carrier. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Zaporozh Gallente Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.25 16:56:00 - [4] I personally use the Rorqual, Ark (Amarr JF), and Carrier on a regular basis. As the other posts have mentioned defining "Stuff" is very important. I move mucho minerals from high sec to low and I find the Jump Freighter invaluable for that role. I also support our corporate mining mops where we rotate systems and find the Rorqual best suited being it can carry fitted exhumers and barges for the hungry miners, not to mention compression, hauling, jump clones, etc... Members in my corp who purchase ships in high sec and fit them out nicely will request me to jump them done to our low sec HQ I use the Carrier for those requests as it's best suited for fitted fighting vessels. As mentioned be careful with what's in the hull you can only store ammo, any mods and it won't load. Back to Jump Freighter for a moment. If you are able to try using the Jump Freighter / Freighter combo. I fly goods from low sec to a point outside of high sec transfer to my Freighter for high sec runs. The Freighter carries more and once i'm back to the low sec system just outside a high sec point I transfer back to the Jump Freighter. Now it's true i have to do more jumps being the JF only holds around 345k but I have a nice group of cyno pilots who assist me in moving the multiple loads. Hope this helps you mate. Zap {Glauxian Data Centre}
Gimpb Sturmgrenadier Inc Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.08.25 16:57:00 - [5] Edited by: Gimpb on 25/08/2008 16:59:23 Perhaps they're saying it's safer because using it you never have to make a stargate jump into low sec? The carrier would be better for moving rigged ships or ships you want to dump straight into combat. I think cruisers and below can fit into a freight container assembled, not 100% sure though.
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2008.08.25 17:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Gimpb Edited by: Gimpb on 25/08/2008 16:59:23 Perhaps they're saying it's safer because using it you never have to make a stargate jump into low sec? The carrier would be better for moving rigged ships or ships you want to dump straight into combat. I think cruisers and below can fit into a freight container assembled, not 100% sure though. Regardless of size, I don't think that you can place assembled ships into cargo holds or containers anymore, only ship hangars (be it on a carrier or a POS module). I could be wrong about this but I believe that this change was made not too long ago. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.26 16:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Bronson Hughes Originally by: Gimpb Edited by: Gimpb on 25/08/2008 16:59:23 Perhaps they're saying it's safer because using it you never have to make a stargate jump into low sec? The carrier would be better for moving rigged ships or ships you want to dump straight into combat. I think cruisers and below can fit into a freight container assembled, not 100% sure though. Regardless of size, I don't think that you can place assembled ships into cargo holds or containers anymore, only ship hangars (be it on a carrier or a POS module). I could be wrong about this but I believe that this change was made not too long ago. You're correct, even when there's room for it. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:01:00 - [8] I suppose it depends on what you want to carry. AFAIK the only thing that can be in the holds of ships in the ship bay of a carrier is ammo. However, this may leave a bit of a loophole; fill the maintenance bay with rigged, fully expanded Iteron Vs, each filled to the brim with Purgatory capital torps. As far as minerals are concerned, how does this compare with a full JF? ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
Zangert Joint Empire Squad	Posted - 2008.08.29 15:29:00 - [9] Can a jump freighter jump from Hi sec to low sec? I know cyno fields can't be created in Hi Sec, but that's for the destination correct?
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.01 17:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Zangert Can a jump freighter jump from Hi sec to low sec? I know cyno fields can't be created in Hi Sec, but that's for the destination correct? Correct. A jump freighter (also a black ops battleship, may be an option for small loads) can jump out of highsec. Still has to run the gauntlet on the way back, though.
Mat rix Caldari Grail Seekers	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:43:00 - [11] Edited by: Mat rix on 05/09/2008 22:44:55 I am currently looking into ways of moving corp assets effectively. things i have to consider are: we are a pirate corp and dont go into hi sec Most of our ships are assembled with rigs Atm we use a carrier but find with larger deployments we are having to make many return trips for ships. is there another alternative for a corp with this sort of issues. I did consider a mothership but for some reason there are none on contract Grail Seekers
thisismyalt	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:47:00 - [12] Just get a titan to jump bridge a bunch of freighters.

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