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Mentat Cthulhu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.24 07:01:00 -
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Obviously aside hacking comm servers to inhibit they enemy from organizing their defenses and have mod powers what kind of strategics and reacharounds can you use vs some such 1000 maelstroms either under cyno jammer or not under such cynos jammer??
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Uriel Chinmay
Perkone
0
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Posted - 2012.03.24 07:02:00 -
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I'm thinking 3,455,743 rifters. |
Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.03.24 07:49:00 -
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A larger number of ships. Honestly there is no current counter to alpha ships, which is why I like the proposed idea of concentrated fire diminishing returns. No idea if it'll make it in for inferno, but perhaps shortly after it. Would be nice to see a fleet fight with more than one target being fired on. (Or a few, in the case of giga-alpha fleets that can alpha multiple capitals at a time.) |
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
8
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Posted - 2012.03.24 09:00:00 -
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say ... 1001 maelstroms ?
Yuu can prolly theorycraft about higher ROF on non arti ships in sufficeint numbers to still alpha a BS, but you're still talking bout hundreds. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
227
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Posted - 2012.03.24 10:47:00 -
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Electronic warfare. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
659
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Posted - 2012.03.24 10:52:00 -
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moar alpha maelstroms 
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lanyaie
1
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Posted - 2012.03.24 11:11:00 -
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100x the Aeon and throw in some titans also
I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
0ccupational Hazzard
69
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Posted - 2012.03.24 13:49:00 -
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1001 alpha maelstroms or 1 titan, pick
Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
Elsa Nietchize
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.03.24 14:46:00 -
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The old DD was pretty effective against these |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
352
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:24:00 -
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12-18 stealth bombers. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
136
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Posted - 2012.03.24 17:14:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:12-18 stealth bombers.
This does reqiure your main's alliance to not be completely incompetent with bombers though. |
Sphit Ker
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
73
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Posted - 2012.03.25 09:32:00 -
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Maybe sticking my neck out with this but whatever ::deal with it:: etc. I don't believe it's a secret at all anyway.
You just need to take them real close. Have a copious amount of bubblers on hands. Have an effective prober that is quick at it's job. Alpha Maelstroms are at their best around the 50..75km slice. That's where they want to be. Closer than that and tracking can turn very problematic. 1000 Alphas is well enough to nuke triaged carriers in ONE volley so there is no tanking that, really. Against that many alpha steeds, no amount of reps will save your boats. You'll get to see a lot of yellow boxes on overview then BAM it's too late you're dead so expect to lose boats at steady rate.
You can win with skirmish tactics. Alphas are slow to turn around... Probe them, warp in, bubble up and collect your killmails. A flock of bombers can mop the floor really quick. |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
879
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Posted - 2012.03.25 12:42:00 -
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Abaddons/supers/bombers/a brain |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
196
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Posted - 2012.03.25 19:03:00 -
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1001 arty maelstroms?
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uredo
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES
4
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Posted - 2012.03.25 19:17:00 -
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I always thought that a Remote Resistance Booster module would work pretty well if it existed.
Bit like remote reps, but would let you boost another ship's shield or armor resists .
So as soon as someone was being targetted you would get the logi to remote boost their resists, effectively giving them massive EHP.
Passive targetting would be a problem though I guess.... |
Abbadon21
Cosmic Cimmerians
The G0dfathers
9
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Posted - 2012.03.26 01:40:00 -
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Quote:What counters 1000 alpha maelstroms?
Answer: Massive Lag
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Bricksauce
Red Dawn.
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:05:00 -
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transversal
Red Dawn. is Now Recruiting! |
JasonXXL
Spiritus Draconis
10
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:46:00 -
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Since Maelstroms usually don't have sebos they have a limited lockrange. If you can get them bubbled TidiCats could do the job I guess.
Also, Lockout made a good point: there is a point that you have enough alpha anyway, so if you can get a good number of high rof ships you can murder them at a rather high rate, hopefully higher than they can kill you (think Panicgeddons).
Cheapest would probably be to bomb them. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries
Goonswarm Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:23:00 -
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Not be bad?
Also we never have 1000 man Maelstrom fleet anymore you ******* ******** pubbie. Once you get past the 250 (incl Support which is 6 Comand Ships + Anti Support + Dictors) You don't get much benefit out of more Alpha.
It would also help if your FC's weren't ******** and you posted with your main. But no. NPC Alt Away and complain about the much needed titan nerf. |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
85
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:26:00 -
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100 smartbombing hyps ect and a good warp in
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Nulla Curas |
King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
234
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:35:00 -
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A dozen bombers and a bubble. If in low sec, be somewhere else because that node will crash long before they get 1000 guys in system. If by some chance it doesn't, 50 smartbombing armageddons and a prober. Old school low sec doomsday ftw. All of these solutions are assuming a sliver of competence on your part.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Intigo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:36:00 -
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esc shk wrote:Not be bad?
Also we never have 1000 man Maelstrom fleet anymore you ******* ******** pubbie. Once you get past the 250 (incl Support which is 6 Comand Ships + Anti Support + Dictors) You don't get much benefit out of more Alpha.
It would also help if your FC's weren't ******** and you posted with your main. But no. NPC Alt Away and complain about the much needed titan nerf.
TL;DR: Every post is about me. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
75
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:24:00 -
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Bricksauce wrote:transversal
Quoting for truth.
Did somebody say AB HACs |
Mark Hadden
Joint Endeavor
Bright Side of Death
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:30:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Bricksauce wrote:transversal Quoting for truth. Did somebody say AB HACs
if people say 1000 maelstroms, they actually mean 350 maelstroms + 250 hurricanes + 200 drakes + other random **** going together with the fleet, so whatever you pick against such kind of mixed fleet, you will have hard times fighting that blob heavily outnumbered. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
201
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:33:00 -
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Mark Hadden wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote:Bricksauce wrote:transversal Quoting for truth. Did somebody say AB HACs if people say 1000 maelstroms, they actually mean 350 maelstroms + 250 hurricanes + 200 drakes + other random **** going together with the fleet, so whatever you pick against such kind of mixed fleet, you will have hard times fighting that blob heavily outnumbered.
um no they dont
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Ravnik
The Phoenix Rising
P R I M E
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:03:00 -
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Downtime.
After a failed career as a comedian i decided to take up piloting. My flying techniques have got more laughs than my jokes ever did.....
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Crellion
Parental Control
HELL4S
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:21:00 -
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1000 maelstroms organised in groups of 20-ish with their own target callers will pretty much wipe the floor with them :P
I d love to witness said fight tbh |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
Defiant Legacy
55
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:52:00 -
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Combat Scanner Probes and warp to 0 will help here... |
TuxedoMask
The Riot Formation
Get Off My Lawn
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:24:00 -
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Lag |
Manar Detri
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:25:00 -
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Meditril wrote:Combat Scanner Probes and warp to 0 will help here...
You dear sir need a lesson in tracking and fleet formations. |
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