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Boombatz
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Posted - 2008.08.26 16:27:00 -
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I just recently purchased a Badger for mining. Was wondering, should I be using containers along with this ship...i tend to see tons of containers in asteroid belts, but am unclear on how exactly they work, or how I transport them.(noob here)
Thanks for your help!
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Belloche
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.26 17:03:00 -
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The Giant Secure Containers can hold 3900 M3 of ore while occupying 3000M3 space and can be anchored in belts in systems with sec status lower than .7 (I think) They can be anchored using the Anchoring skill at lvl 1 and have to be at least 5000M from any other celestial body. They are very handy for miners since you can put a password on them and they can't be flipped, or have any ore stolen from them. If I use them I use 3 or 4 of them and place them 5km away from the closest riod and travel paralell to the belt placing them 5K from each other. That way as you fill one container you can meander tot he next one without losing lock on the roid you are mining and missing a cycle. You will need your hauler to empty them to bring the ore to the station but that is the price you pay to prevent ore theft. I would still mine with a mining ship and only use the hauler to haul as the hauler can only mount a single mining laser.
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Lyvanna Kitaen
Minmatar
Noonday Sun Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.26 19:28:00 -
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The main problem with mining into secure containers is they're not big enough once you get skilled at mining. I can mine more than a GSC can hold in just one cycle of the lasers on my hulk.
So, your choices end up being:
1) Mine into a jetcan and leave yourself open to ore thieves.
2) Get a friend in a hauler and have him take the ore as fast as you mine it.
3) Run your mining ship back to a station every time its cargo hold is full.
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Reithan
Caldari
Dead 2 Rights
TransWarp Ventures
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Posted - 2008.08.26 21:29:00 -
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Anchored cans work much better for created supply caches of ammo & whatnot in safespots for corp use during pvp than for mining.
There currently isn't a secure can big enough to be useful for mining. Maybe if they made one that was like 10-20km3, probably with like 14-30km3 capacity, to follow the current math on existing ones.
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Falcon Troy
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: Falcon Troy on 27/08/2008 01:11:20
 Originally by: Boombatz
I just recently purchased a Badger for mining. Was wondering, should I be using containers along with this ship...i tend to see tons of containers in asteroid belts, but am unclear on how exactly they work, or how I transport them.(noob here)
Thanks for your help!
Stop everything. Don't mine with an Industrial, use it to haul (What it was made for). If you want to mine, use a mining frigate, cruiser, battleship, or hell, maybe even a barge or exhumer. Unless you want someone like me can flipping your ass and ruining your day, I suggest you use Secure Containers like everyone else with a brain.
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Darkeen
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.27 01:35:00 -
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I use a GSC for ICE mining in a retreiver.
With two cargo extenders I cant get 3 ICE in the retreiver and 3 ICE in the GSC - which takes three cycles (24 minutes currently) which I dont have to stop the Ice harvesters.
Since ICE isnt so contested (You really couldnt out mine an ICE belt....AFAIK) you could jetcan mine ICE but I like the security of the GSC.
It also means I can mine 6 ICE in half an hour AND get them back to the station in 2 runs - for me a perfect timeframe for me.
(PS: I'm training Mining Upgrades 4 for Ice Harvester Upgrades II, then Ice Harvesting 5, then Exhumers so the Cycle time wil come down - especially when I get into a Mackinaw!)
Regards,
Jason Brisbane
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Atlas Elestra
Titan Mining LLC
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:19:00 -
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Some common terms you might be unaware of...
jetcan = Cargo Container created from Jettisoning any item from your Cargo. They are free and can hold a Heck of a lot of stuff, but can be opened by anyone.
Those fields of cargo containers are most likely Jetcans, or they are holding loot from someone who went thru and salvaged ships but did not want or did not take the module/ammo loot.
you can purchase Cargo containers that can fit in your ship that are anchorable by using the Anchor skill in .7 and below.
People also take advantage of (what appears to be an exploit to me) the fact that you can put stuff in a cargo containter while it is in your cargo hold, and thus violate Real world physics..of course this is in EVE. so only EVE physics apply.
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Shocker Steg
Amarr
Crusaders of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:49:00 -
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Giant Secure Containers are used most commonly here is how:
as they have a volume of 3000m3 you gonna need your hauler to move them around.
- move to spot where you want to drop the can in space
- rightclick the GSC in your cargohold
- select "use for self" or "use for corp" though it seems i can use my main and open cans that my alt put down for self use.. so not sure what the difference here is. (need to be 5000m away from any solid object in space)
- when in space rightclick the GSC again and select Anchor (need anchor lvl 1 skill for this)
- wait 60 seconds (lights go from green (unachored) to orange (status switching) to red (anchored) on the can.
- right click the GSC again and set a password.
Other use mentioned here aswell is to drop about 4 GSC's in your cargohold of your hauler increasing your cargo hold by 900m3 (3900m3 gain - 3000m3 loss) per can. Though personally i find this rather annoying as you have to open the GSC's in the cargo hold to put stuff in.
When using it for mining in an asteroid belt they are worthwhile when your still starting with mining aka frigate or cruiser lvl, as soon as your going into mining bargers or higher it's better to move back and forth to station.
With my alt i use 12 GSC's in 1 belt so i cover the whole belt and can reach all the roids when hanging near the can's and the when all is full i'll haul all ore from the cans in 4 trips. (with a badger mark 2 without fitted GSC's)
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Oweim
Gallente
Sephray Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:55:00 -
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Both my main (this) and my miner's account have itty3s fitted with expanded ch and GSCs, allows us to hold 14k+ a trip. It is a pain to open containers when transfering ore but the extra 2700m3 of space is worth it to me. When in our group mining opps I can bring both and clear the field of JCs pretty quick.
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Molock Saronen
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Falcon Troy
Stop everything. Don't mine with an Industrial, use it to haul (What it was made for). If you want to mine, use a mining frigate, cruiser, battleship, or hell, maybe even a barge or exhumer. Unless you want someone like me can flipping your ass and ruining your day, I suggest you use Secure Containers like everyone else with a brain.
Listen to this guy. He's spot on.
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SystemaX1
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:09:00 -
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i use GSC mainly because in some of the systems i mine in can flipping is a major problem
Other systems that are usually empty ill just jet can if my corp buddys are online and in the field cloaked while im mineing then ill also jet can because there is nothing more priceless then a reaction a new player will give when 3 CNRs pop out of nowhere hehehe
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Lilkor
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:53:00 -
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If you are serious about mining then you need to read Halada's Guide. Heck, even if you are not serious about mining, you should read it if you plan on ever mining in the game. It is a great resource.
And I'm not just saying that because he's my CEO.
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Setarcos Nous
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Atlas Elestra
People also take advantage of (what appears to be an exploit to me) the fact that you can put stuff in a cargo containter while it is in your cargo hold, and thus violate Real world physics..of course this is in EVE. so only EVE physics apply.
It never occurred to me that anyone would think of this activity as an exploit. And as far as violating real world physics, the containers inherently violate them whether they are in a cargo hold, sitting in a station, or anchored.
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Kinkyfoo
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Oweim
Both my main (this) and my miner's account have itty3s fitted with expanded ch and GSCs, allows us to hold 14k+ a trip. It is a pain to open containers when transfering ore but the extra 2700m3 of space is worth it to me. When in our group mining opps I can bring both and clear the field of JCs pretty quick.
'allows US to hold'
Been playing to much? ;)
And yes, this is the way to do it :)
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Sile Suirghiche
Gaidhlig Technology
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Posted - 2008.08.28 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Atlas Elestra
the fact that you can put stuff in a cargo containter while it is in your cargo hold, and thus violate Real world physics..
How is this a violation of real-world physics? |
Darkeen
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.29 01:30:00 -
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I can only think that they are referring to the fact that the GSC takes up 3000 units but can hold 3900 units...
Sort of like a Cargo Container for the Tardis.... 
Regards,
Jason Brisbane
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Sile Suirghiche
Gaidhlig Technology
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Posted - 2008.08.29 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Darkeen
I can only think that they are referring to the fact that the GSC takes up 3000 units but can hold 3900 units...
I always thought that was a matter of organization. You can fit more cargo in your hold if it's in containers rather than in piles. |
shavada
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Posted - 2008.08.29 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: shavada on 29/08/2008 05:41:59
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Originally by: Atlas Elestra
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the fact that you can put stuff in a cargo containter while it is in your cargo hold, and thus violate Real world physics..
How is this a violation of real-world physics?
What do you mean? Everyone knows that in the real world all cargo disappears from containers when you put them in something??
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