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Myxx Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.29 20:48:00 - [1] We are the elite of society. We are the top one percent of all beings in the cluster. We are for all reasonable purposes, immortal. Able to taunt and cheat death itself without so much as blinking. We are untouchable. No-one can permanently harm us short of botching our clones. and yet we fight. For what? A cause? a state of mind to gain the right to say we are somehow better than another one of us? Such primitive thoughts hold us back from becoming something even better. Why can we not advance ourselves and our societies to respect one another and work together for our own betterment? Ideals that have been ingrained in all of us since birth, or even into our societies since history tells us. and yet we are immortal. Why is it we can cheat death but we can't cheat greed? why is it we can cheat fate but we can't cheat poverty? why is it we can cheat age itself... but we can never learn from the past that the paths we have been on since time tells us will not allow us to go further? I see so much potential from the ability of all four supermassive governments to do so much, if only we could learn from our mistakes, and work together. Why have we got this far and still failed to learn? ---- Originally by: Tishlin Veredici CONCORD is like the UN. Their entire job is to do nothing until its too late.
Miss Uylear Caldari Uylears Dream	Posted - 2008.08.29 20:59:00 - [2] Clearly, you have not met the Amarr race. Were it not for them, then your utopia would be the very thing we dwell in now. I see no man like man see's me.
Myxx Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:01:00 - [3] Originally by: Miss Uylear Clearly, you have not met the Amarr race. Were it not for them, then your utopia would be the very thing we dwell in now. oh, I have. They are not to blame alone, however. It is something within all of us that forces us to give in to primitive instincts to fight. ---- Originally by: Tishlin Veredici CONCORD is like the UN. Their entire job is to do nothing until its too late.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:02:00 - [4] why is it you think that our advancements are not in part due to our war like nature. More technology is born out of the quest for survival and domination of ones enemies than by any other motivation in existence. Struggle brings advancement, not complacency, and not peace. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Miss Uylear Caldari Uylears Dream	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Sky Grunthor why is it you think that our advancements are not in part due to our war like nature. More technology is born out of the quest for survival and domination of ones enemies than by any other motivation in existence. Struggle brings advancement, not complacency, and not peace. Human thinking, that is all that is. And also the problem. I see no man like man see's me.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Miss Uylear Originally by: Sky Grunthor why is it you think that our advancements are not in part due to our war like nature. More technology is born out of the quest for survival and domination of ones enemies than by any other motivation in existence. Struggle brings advancement, not complacency, and not peace. Human thinking, that is all that is. And also the problem. So you wish to become something other than human? Even the Jove are still human in this manner... To try and change your fundamental nature is naive... to try and rise above it through denial of its existence is ultimately impossible. Accept it for what it is, relish in its strengths and know its weaknesses so that you may choose a different action or choose a different thought to claim. When it comes down to it, you can't become a better human by denying your humanity. You can only become one by accepting it and working within that frame work with every growing self knowledge. We Seibestor have know this for generations. Conflict of body, conflict of mind and conflict of spirit brings one self knowledge. and through self knowledge you become a master of yourself. Which is the only true think you can master. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Miss Uylear Clearly, you have not met the Amarr race. Were it not for them, then your utopia would be the very thing we dwell in now. Hah! Mz. Uylear, if you honestly believe that then I think you just set the new benchmark standard for naivety. For starters, the Caldari and Gallente went to war with each other nearly a full century prior to the Federation's first contact with the Empire. If such a violent and costly war sprung up utterly independent of even the knowledge that there was such a THING as the Amarr Empire then I think it's stretching believability somewhat to be blaming everything on them. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Veron Daerth Amarr Blood Meridian	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:22:00 - [8] Edited by: Veron Daerth on 29/08/2008 23:24:46 Edited by: Veron Daerth on 29/08/2008 23:22:05 Hmm. I see someone else wishes to blame the Empire for all the sins of humanity. Well, Pilot Tarn-Hakatain, I doubt your words or the words of others here will sway this individual any which way. It is sad indeed when someone insists on blaming others for their own mistakes. Pilot Uylear, we are ALL of us human, even the deviants and freaks and sadists and the savages and the heretics and blasphemers and fools and dreamers. I am probably listed in that list somewhere. You were BORN human, and you will remain that way until you die. And you WILL die. Each of us will, someday, somehow. You are, in the end, no different in that respect than any other human, planetbound or not. We are, each of us, also born with the traits of aggression and hate and anger and violence built into our genetic code. It is what let us rise above the other base creatures that populated whatever planet we arose upon. We could THINK, and REASON, and so we used those to overcome the obstacles that stood in our way, and stood in the way of our species rise to power. Whether this was to craft a stone axe to chop down trees and make huts or to make spears to kill others that came to steal what we had built or made, it matters not. We have always done so, and always will. It is our nature, it is survival, it is evolution at its finest. The strong survive, and propogate, and the weak die. And just being physically strong isnt always being evolutionarily strong. Smarts count for a lot more than physical strength. Try to out-brute strength a lion-bear and you will see what I mean. That is all on a "personal" or individual level, so to speak, but it also holds true for a society or culture. Since the dawn of time, cultures and societies have clashed, and not always with violence and war, and the stronger, more flexible (usually), and adaptable (most importantly) culture wins. Usually by assimilating and ultimately destroying the "loser", but sometimes with armed conquest. It is part of you, Pilots, and always will be. Our earliest depictions of Gods warred amongst themselves, much the same as our primitive cultures did. Brutality and callousness were survival traits in the harsh environments of our worlds. When you have to hunt the hunters for food, you get brutal and smart and strong fast, or you die. We take those lessons with us as we progress, both as peoples and as nations. They have brought us this far, and they will take us much further. Even the Jove are not immune to war and conflict. It is in your genes, it is in your nature (even the most pacifist female will fight to the death against impossible odds for her infant offspring), it is part of who you are. Accept it, control it, use it. Self discipline and self control and some logical and considered thought will go far to allowing you to tame the beast within you. But erase it, destroy it? <Veron Daerth laughs> Not even God can do that. May God grant you the same Mercy in Death that you showed others in Life, Pilots.
SOFcode Z777 Caldari Human Enhancement Tech.	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:36:00 - [9] War is a necessary evil as long as Order and discipline are contested by less developed civilizations with empty concepts of false benefits of a supposed "utopia" of freedom. The real freedom is to be able to fight for a stronger system where chaos has no place and stability will prevail above all. War is the machine by the means we will achieve that. SOFcode z777 CEO Human Enhancement Tech. H.E.T Lieutenant Colonel Caldari State Mordus Legion Loyalist
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:50:00 - [10] We fight because we have differences in ideology that cannot be settled by words alone. War is the last resort of diplomacy, and until the day comes when the entirety of the cluster agrees on everything, conflict will exist. Sorry, but that's just the way it is, hon. Football? Hell yes.

Myxx Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.30 02:46:00 - [11] Originally by: SOFcode Z777 War is a necessary evil as long as Order and discipline are contested by less developed civilizations with empty concepts of false benefits of a supposed "utopia" of freedom. The real freedom is to be able to fight for a stronger system where chaos has no place and stability will prevail above all. War is the machine by the means we will achieve that. SOFcode z777 CEO Human Enhancement Tech. H.E.T Lieutenant Colonel Caldari State Mordus Legion Loyalist War has never accomplished anything but the development of technology by which to use to kill more people. I see it reversely. ---- Originally by: Tishlin Veredici CONCORD is like the UN. Their entire job is to do nothing until its too late.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Ledoux Holdings	Posted - 2008.08.30 03:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Myxx War has never accomplished anything but the development of technology by which to use to kill more people. I know. Ain't it grand? _
Jtharra K'thain Minmatar Coriolis Commerce Cluster	Posted - 2008.08.30 03:47:00 - [13] War... War, is in our blood. For a woman raised in the a Gallente protected environment and culture, war must be a distant feeling. It must be something wrong and a thing to be avoided at all costs. To your culture, war is a hindrance to a higher culture like siblings fighting in the schoolyard just because they can't get along. I love the Gallente's view of freedom and your tolerance. But in your arrogance you sometimes forget that not all see things like you do. It's not like that for us. War for my people IS our culture. We're raised with it, it's what makes us who we are. If we were not warriors, nomads and tribals we would not be Minmatar. To end all war, to end all struggle and achievement we would have to become Gallente. Or as the Amarr (may their name be considered vile for all ages) so eloquently put it, "be assimilated" by your culture. I'm guessing, by this point, that the galaxy has learned a lesson from what happens if you try to assimilate the Minmatar people. If the Gallente tried to calm my people, many would react like caged animals. We belong in the wild, and there we NEED to fight to survive. It's only natural to fight for survival. We HAVE to fight to survive, to be free and to be who we are. We have learned and accepted this that our war for freedom might never end. Indeed I am sometimes afraid for what will happen the day we are truly free, could we still retain our culture or our minds if we were free? I guess time will tell. * The Minmatar fight for their freedom, for their RIGHT to fight. * The Caldari fight for their order, their money and what they call their "honor". * The Amarr fight for power and abuse, and to defend a dwindling oppressive culture. You, the Gallente, fight for peace. For me, it's an odd thing to do. Your military is not only a defensive one. You have countless times shown that you are ready to KILL for your ideals, just like the rest of us. Don't get me wrong, I don't find this wrong. By all means, fight for what you believe in. As long as you don't oppress the freedom of others to live the way they want, by all means fight. I envy the Gallente culture, that you are not forced to live like we do. That you are born in freedom and wealth but are still wise enought to not completely dismiss us all. Of all the races in the galaxy, you have perhaps gotten the furthest in your fight for your ideals. I have few friends, several of them are Gallente. But they have come to respect me for what I am, a warrior and a free woman. But if you want peace, you better fight for it. That is YOUR war. /Born in chains, raised in freedom.
Jtharra K'thain Minmatar Coriolis Commerce Cluster	Posted - 2008.08.30 03:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Myxx War has never accomplished anything but the development of technology by which to use to kill more people. You would be surprise how much of your technology and tools of healing was developed in dire need in war. /Born in chains, raised in freedom.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.30 04:20:00 - [15] Originally by: Myxx War has never accomplished anything but the development of technology by which to use to kill more people. I see it reversely. I must laugh at the ignorance that abounds in this statement. Illucidate yourself for you live in a world where nearly every major technological breakthrough was made in pursuit of or support of ultimately military goals. This utopia you dream of has never existed but inside the minds of people so disconnected with reality that they have become weights around the feet of cultures and peoples trying to swim in turbulent waters. The Gallente may have helped the Minmatar to free ourselves and to become a nation again... but it was not your desired kind of Gallente. I am Minmatar... I am Free! and I strive to maintain that freedom every day. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Myxx Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.30 05:41:00 - [16] Edited by: Myxx on 30/08/2008 05:42:55 Originally by: Sky Grunthor so disconnected with reality that they have become weights around the feet of cultures and peoples trying to swim in turbulent waters. Quite the reverse, I am so well connected with reality that I see things you could never imagine. The difference between us is this. I see things for what they truly are at their core, and you see things how you want them to be. When you strip away all of the societies, humans in general are little more than warlike primitives. strip away the religious crap, the corporate war machine that only desires profit at the cost of others lives, strip away the anti religious dogma and the federal government. what do you have then? unbiased bloodshed. I dont belong to any of those factions for a reason. they will not lead you anywhere but war. ever. see it for what it is. ---- Originally by: Tishlin Veredici CONCORD is like the UN. Their entire job is to do nothing until its too late.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.08.30 06:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Myxx War has never accomplished anything but the development of technology by which to use to kill more people. Inara can be heard laughing heartily as the Comm opens, almost in tears That was a good one... keeps laughing as she scans the next few entries into this channel and suddenly stops laughing Wait, you were serious? I don't even know where to BEGIN correcting that statement. Please do some research before spouting off falsehoods; my grandmother always told me it's better to hold your tongue and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and confirm it to the world... it would do you well to heed those words.
Aodha Khan Minmatar The Paratwa FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.08.30 06:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Myxx I see so much potential from the ability of all four supermassive governments to do so much, if only we could learn from our mistakes, and work together. Weak minded peon. Go back to your hole. Paratwa Recruitment
Shortfused	Posted - 2008.08.30 08:59:00 - [19] Well, I like war. It let's me make money, and I like making money. It let's me fire my missile launchers and railguns, and I like firing them. It let's me hone my skills up against others, and I like honing my skills. Damn I keep on winning every step of the way. War is good for business and advancement, so what's so bad about it?
Number 17 Caldari COLD-Wing	Posted - 2008.08.30 10:56:00 - [20] There is no such thing as immortality. Our life-span maybe longer, but we are far from immortal. You have choices, you can sit on your office and pretend nothing is going on while your brothers and sisters are out there dying. You can fight, you can try to stop the fighting, but violence is a means to an end. The problem here is human nature, greed. Maybe some will deny we are still human, whatever our body becomes, our souls remain the same.

Victoria Ehr Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.30 11:05:00 - [21] Edited by: Victoria Ehr on 30/08/2008 11:06:21 Tibus Heth is immortal, his vision and glory will live on for generations. He has and will continue to lead the Caldari to a new level of human awareness. The War the primitive Gallente began over a century ago will be won soon by a State that sets the example. Now it is time for the Gallente to surrender, they have lost, let us end the suffering. -------------------------------------------- Glory to the State and Tibus Heth.
Marcus Baviasi Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.30 11:12:00 - [22] There will be no true peace in the Cluster until all humankind is united in one Empire, serving one Emperor, worshipping one God. Until such time there will always be division and discord, and from those come war.
Shortfused	Posted - 2008.08.30 17:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Marcus Baviasi There will be no true peace in the Cluster until all humankind is united in one Empire, serving one Emperor, worshipping one God. Until such time there will always be division and discord, and from those come war. Nah, ya don't have to worship me, just pay me in time. And as fer servin me, well I ain't completely opposed to that.
Remus Navillum z3r0 Gravity Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.30 18:37:00 - [24] Perhaps destruction is simply an integral component of our nature. Every shred of historical evidence seems to suggest as much. Humans, it seems, will only cooperate to the extent that it can provide them with an advantage over another group so that they might overpower them. Then some faction within the conquering demographic becomes dissatisfied with their lot, sees an opportunity to assume power, and does so by force. Then they look for someone else to conquer. And thus the cycle continues. We permit order only so far as it benefits us, then become violent as soon as it is convenient. Our so-called immortality (though I would argue your use of the term is dangerously loose) only enhances our ability to carry out that brutish cycle.
Shortfused	Posted - 2008.08.30 22:53:00 - [25] Well, look at it this way. nobody kills eachother anymore, so no ships get blown up anymore, thus no more need fer them shipbuilders, atleast not in the amount thay have to build bow. Their families will starve because one sale per 2 years won't cut it anymore. Now fer them weapondealers and ammo salespeople, they allso will starve, because fer what would people buy their goods anymore. Miners can mine till they drop dead, hardly anyone will buy their minerals anymore, because the need will virtually come to a hold. So all in all, killing people let's a lot of other people live.
Lumiaire	Posted - 2008.08.30 23:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Myxx I see so much potential from the ability of all four supermassive governments to do so much, if only we could learn from our mistakes, and work together. As I recall the only time all four of our respective empires worked together on a grand scale was to do what you seem to oppose so much. I shudder to think what the cluster would be like if the four empires hadn't united in a war against Sansha and his legions, whom I seem to recall was attracting all of his 'citizens' with the notion of a utopian society.
Corvus Seth	Posted - 2008.08.30 23:16:00 - [27] Edited by: Corvus Seth on 30/08/2008 23:20:52 Quote: Human thinking, that is all that is. And also the problem. There, you see. It is inevitable that some (quite a lot, actually) humans come to conclusion, that human thinking is the problem, and needs to be regulated in order for everyone to prosper. There are many false cures to this, first and foremost the Amarrian faith. But then one sees the corruption in the golden heart of the Empire and understands that God can't change the human thinking either. And then, the flame lit by great Sansha consumes yet more fuel. The Nation will arise from the waves of time, because it is the numan nature to understand that the human nature is flawed. Quote: I shudder to think what the cluster would be like if the four empires hadn't united in a war against Sansha and his legions, whom I seem to recall was attracting all of his 'citizens' with the notion of a utopian society. It certainly wouldn't be such a mess that it is now.
Jonny Damordred Stimulus	Posted - 2008.08.31 22:57:00 - [28] Mankind will never be free until the last Dictator is choked to death with the entrails of the last priest. How do you expect us to accomplish that if our only tool is harsh words? Cheers, Jonny D. ------------------------- CEO and Professor of Gunboat Diplomacy
Natalcya Katla Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.08.31 23:45:00 - [29] I agree completely with Captain Seth, and, to a large extent, with the originator of this thread. Humanity should shed its differences, rise above itself and work as a single entity to realize its full potential. You ought to come and have a talk with us, Captain Myxx. Please visit us in the "Toxic Edge" channel when you have the time.
Jeremy Erik Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.01 08:31:00 - [30] Hey, I am willing to make love instead of war. Hmmm, would be interesting to see what "technologies" come from that. raises an eyebrow provocatively



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