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Ghost Hunter True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 34	Posted - 2012.03.24 23:17:00 - [1] - Quote Quote: Does it matter who rescues you, truly? Do you want to wait for heroes that may never come, or take the opportunity to get out of this hanger? I won't be here to listen to your indecision, at any rate. -Excerpt from Overwatch Personnel Notes, circa FDC.HRO-1 The True Slave Foundations' Division Capsuleer will be conducting humanitarian operations of a public nature for a short duration. The purpose of this operation is the recovery and/or rescue of human beings currently trapped in the confines of the SCC Market and Contracts system, and public outreach attempts to Capsuleers. Every day, people are casually picked up by Capsuleers and forgotten by them in their hangers. Some are shoved onto the SCC Markets when it is 'legal' to do so, the rest are either abandoned in the Contracts system or left rotting within Capsuleer hangers. The net result is the same regardless; these people are left to die. Division Capsuleer continues to press on for answers to this travesty. We have made strides in identifying effective recovery techniques and extrication methods that enable us to go where few others dare to reach. Yet, it is still not enough. The root of the problem remains unaddressed, even as more and more personnel pass through our medical processing. It is for this reason we have made this public outreach attempt, to both educate and to offer a possibility. Perhaps they are beneath your notice, or you simply do not care - perhaps even something entirely different. Regardless, the True Slave Foundations is prepared to accept the release of these people into our care. We are willing to endure the logistical necessity of transporting and dispensing the appropriate attention needed to stabilize these imprisoned lives'. For you, it is but a few moments of your time to accomplish a great deed of good. *Acquisition Details* From the SCC Markets, we are reaching out for : Freed Slaves Freedom Fighters Exotic Dancers Refugees Homeless Tourists Janitors Science Graduates Marines From the Contracts System, we are reaching out for : Any type of Human Livestock How to transfer them into our care : Contract directly to either [ Ghost Hunter ] or [ True Slave Foundations ]. -or- Send a mail describing the quantity, type, and location of the personnel for a direct trade. A meeting will be arranged for the transfer. Please note Null security trades may be rejected, due to the danger posed to safe personnel extraction. If you wish to negotiate a price for the people, please indicate so. While donations are desired in particular, financial compensation can be arranged - particularly for significant shipments. For security purposes, we are restraining from posting our baseline purchasing rates. Contracts with a massive ISK price attached to them that exceeds our acceptable threshold will be renegotiated, or rejected as appropriate. This is a protection measure against scam efforts. Slaves, as officially quantified by the Amarrian SCC Markets, are not covered in this humanitarian operation due to the fact a separate initiative is responsible for handling them. However, while they are not part of our focus, we remain interested in peaceful hand overs of them. True Slave Foundations Overseer -ò
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club 186	Posted - 2012.03.25 00:02:00 - [2] - Quote Why are you saving these worthless forms of life?
Dilaro thagriin Seekers of a Silent Paradise 30	Posted - 2012.03.25 00:08:00 - [3] - Quote Perhaps his vaunted master is running low on biomass. personally i hope this is the case, and people are clever enough to keep it that way.
Ghost Hunter True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 35	Posted - 2012.03.25 00:26:00 - [4] - Quote Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: Why are you saving these worthless forms of life? There are so many reasons I can pick, but none of which I think would satisfy you. Something simple, then. Human life is precious. Too often we are weighed down by suffering to realize the intrinsic bond we all share. True Slave Foundations Overseer -ò
Dilaro thagriin Seekers of a Silent Paradise 30	Posted - 2012.03.25 00:27:00 - [5] - Quote on a related note, the title of this thread gave me hope. it was misleading.
N'maro Makari The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative 43	Posted - 2012.03.25 00:30:00 - [6] - Quote Before any bright individual considers indulging this novel offer from capsuleers of TS-F, I would like to advise them to ponder the wisdom of turning over human lives to followers of a man who actively engages in brainwashing, kidnap, unethical experimentation, identity theft, murder, and is currently waging war on those who don't worship him. Just in case anyone y'know, managed to forget... N'maro Makari Special Investigative Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
Gosakumori Noh Viziam Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.03.25 00:56:00 - [7] - Quote Ghost Hunter wrote: Every day, people are casually picked up by Capsuleers and forgotten by them in their hangers. Some are shoved onto the SCC Markets when it is 'legal' to do so, the rest are either abandoned in the Contracts system or left rotting within Capsuleer hangers. The net result is the same regardless; these people are left to die. You are the very model of compassionate cybernetic ossification. I wouldn't be inclined to describe the process of acquisition as "picked up" or "casual," though - and some of us are quite pleased with our hangar microcosms!
Killer Gandry V I R I I Ineluctable. 90	Posted - 2012.03.25 01:34:00 - [8] - Quote Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: Why are you saving these worthless forms of life? He probably found a market for them. Why else.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 198	Posted - 2012.03.25 06:13:00 - [9] - Quote Killer Gandry wrote: Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: Why are you saving these worthless forms of life? He probably found a market for them. Why else. It's been said that a society that requires currency is an impoverished society. We aim to build a post-scarcity society.
Aquila Shadow The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative 9	Posted - 2012.03.25 06:34:00 - [10] - Quote It seems that SanshaGÇÖs puppets have found a legal way to abduct people and turn them into slaves.
Gosakumori Noh Viziam Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.03.25 07:56:00 - [11] - Quote Aquila Shadow wrote: It seems that SanshaGÇÖs puppets have found a legal way to abduct people and turn them into slaves. There were roughly forty six thousand slaves available in a single Hilaban station alone, for the in some sense appallingly low price of around 800 isk a bottom. I'm a bit surprised this hasn't come up before. On an impulse purchase, I took a thousand strapping Sebiestor lads, myself - though my own projects are far more fleshy than the machinations of those daleks. Now all I need are a few tons of baby oil and a couple of gold microweave togas....
Goshien Aiel Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.03.25 09:41:00 - [12] - Quote Good to see people finding niches is the market. The true entrepreneur spirit is at work.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 54	Posted - 2012.03.25 12:56:00 - [13] - Quote Gosakumori Noh wrote: Aquila Shadow wrote: It seems that SanshaGÇÖs puppets have found a legal way to abduct people and turn them into slaves. There were roughly forty six thousand slaves available in a single Hilaban station alone, for the in some sense appallingly low price of around 800 isk a bottom. I'm a bit surprised this hasn't come up before. On an impulse purchase, I took a thousand strapping Sebiestor lads, myself - though my own projects are far more fleshy than the machinations of those daleks. Now all I need are a few tons of baby oil and a couple of gold microweave togas.... This Amarrian for one sure has an interesting take in the religious education and enlightenment of her slaves. Else
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 198	Posted - 2012.03.25 12:58:00 - [14] - Quote We are quite happy if people begin to get these people out of the market system themselves, whether or not they choose to pass them over to us afterwards. The plight of the human trapped within the market system is a horrific one. They are given just enough to survive, but not enough to prosper. Why would they? Capsuleers rarely check the condition of the people they purchase, and many don't do anything other than let them collect dust in a hanger bay. What we do is simply get these people out of this hell. If we inspire other people to act in a similar manner, we consider that a success.
Darius Shakor Re-Awakened Technologies Inc 16	Posted - 2012.03.25 14:20:00 - [15] - Quote I wonder what your idea of 'humanitarian' actually is. Either you confuse your initial actions as being the key aspect of humanitarianism or you hope others will. Anything with a Sansha mark on it should not be trusted to be in the best interests of humanity. And while life is precious, this 'bond' you wish to deliver to people is meaningless when actually forced.
Gosakumori Noh Viziam Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.03.25 17:27:00 - [16] - Quote Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: This Amarrian for one sure has an interesting take in the religious education and enlightenment of her slaves. The contours of grace and sin slither juxtaposed. If you follow the twisting sinew of one, so it is with the other. Fast march! Oh, I love fast march.
Rek Jaiga Teraa Matar White-Lotus 235	Posted - 2012.03.26 10:47:00 - [17] - Quote I agree with the general notion of freeing these people from the cruel capsuleer markets.
Niraia GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda 96	Posted - 2012.03.26 10:53:00 - [18] - Quote Donations? Financial compensation? Why not just steal them like you stole your alliance? - Chief of Security - http://www.eohpoker.com
Ghost Hunter True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 37	Posted - 2012.03.26 18:59:00 - [19] - Quote Niraia wrote: Donations? Financial compensation? Why not just steal them like you stole your alliance? You were financially compensated for the assets that could be quantified appropriately. Unfortunately, some materials do not have a reliable marketing rate, and were not covered due to instability in their pricing structures. Darius Shakor wrote: I wonder what your idea of 'humanitarian' actually is. Either you confuse your initial actions as being the key aspect of humanitarianism or you hope others will. Anything with a Sansha mark on it should not be trusted to be in the best interests of humanity. And while life is precious, this 'bond' you wish to deliver to people is meaningless when actually forced. Is it truly forced if that bond has always existed? Humans are connected to one another through basic and complex ways, some discernible, others outside of perspective. Even your modern science can find some of these connections in their esoteric experiments, but they do not understand what it means - or how to bring it into our lives. True Slave Foundations Overseer -ò
Scherezad Hobgoblin Marketeers 4	Posted - 2012.03.26 19:52:00 - [20] - Quote This is a worthwhile cause, but risky. I urge everyone to allow those under their care to come to their own decisions, and I likewise urge TS-F to publicly disclose their intentions, and to make the process as transparent as possible. Ghost Hunter wrote: Is it truly forced if that bond has always existed? Humans are connected to one another through basic and complex ways, some discernible, others outside of perspective. Even your modern science can find some of these connections in their esoteric experiments, but they do not understand what it means - or how to bring it into our lives. Speaking as a modern scientist endeavouring in esoteric experiments (though currently on a small break), we have a good framework of understanding of these interactions, and can in fact use that knowledge to great effect. Not as effective as Sancha technology, nor nearly as direct, but it's not magic. I'd be happy to discuss it with you in another venue, if you'd like.
Ghost Hunter True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 37	Posted - 2012.03.27 18:14:00 - [21] - Quote Scherezad wrote: This is a worthwhile cause, but risky. I urge everyone to allow those under their care to come to their own decisions, and I likewise urge TS-F to publicly disclose their intentions, and to make the process as transparent as possible Ghost Hunter wrote: Is it truly forced if that bond has always existed? Humans are connected to one another through basic and complex ways, some discernible, others outside of perspective. Even your modern science can find some of these connections in their esoteric experiments, but they do not understand what it means - or how to bring it into our lives. Speaking as a modern scientist endeavouring in esoteric experiments (though currently on a small break), we have a good framework of understanding of these interactions, and can in fact use that knowledge to great effect. Not as effective as Sancha technology, nor nearly as direct, but it's not magic. I'd be happy to discuss it with you in another venue, if you'd like. This thread relay could most likely be recycled into that discussion, as its original purpose is fulfilled. As to the venue, I will leave that to your discretion. Outsider thoughts on the subject matter would be, interesting ========================== The True Slave Foundations extends its thanks to the Capsuleers who participated in this public operation, and to those currently waiting for our processing of their hand overs For this particular operation, we rescued over 70,000m3 of human personnel - the exact quantity is undetermined at this point as medical processing continues. We anticipate perhaps another 5,000m3 to 10,000m3 from outstanding negotiations with interested Capsuleer parties. While the over all impact is lower than what would be ideal, nonetheless each life saved is a mark of success. There may be others still beyond our reach, sequestered away in some dark cargo container, but we will press on. For those interested in continuing to assist us in this endeavor, you are welcome to my inbox for discussions on an arrangement. True Slave Foundations Overseer -ò
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 1359	Posted - 2012.03.27 22:02:00 - [22] - Quote Those people in my hangar are an interesting lot actually and their company is welcome. The door is not locked. Given the choice of staying in there or becoming a Nation zombie, and what that entails, I won't bother to ask them.
Scherezad Hobgoblin Marketeers 11	Posted - 2012.03.30 20:43:00 - [23] - Quote Hello Captain Hunter; You had invited me to talk a little on how modern science understands and uses the GÇ£esoteric link between people.GÇ¥ IGÇÖm not much of a public speaker, and have tried to avoid causing too big of a splash in these forums, but I agree that this conversation is well suited to public review. Few people realize just how far weGÇÖve come in understanding what weGÇÖre capable of in this field, and I find it fascinating, and possibly of vital importance to the Capsuleer community. That said, a caveat: My field is only somewhat aligned to this one. IGÇÖm a decision theorist, and am more focused on the study of targeted utility functions. IGÇÖm not an expert on this, nor do I pretend to be. Please take my statements with a grain of salt, and do your own research if you find yourself doubtful! So, with this in mind, let me begin. The interactions between people can be classified into modalities, often arranged in pairs. Olfactory and Pheromone systems are one such modality, often used as a test case due to the relative simplicity of the system. One of the most well known, but complex, modalities is the Vision/Proprioception pair, commonly called GÇ£Body LanguageGÇ¥. We are able to specify body language precisely according to the degrees of freedom of the body. This resolves into a matrix of vectors, with each vector representing a joint in the body or, more generally, a configuration of muscle groups. So, we are able to accurately represent a GÇ£body language stateGÇ¥ by a vector set. One of the convenient things about vector sets is that they can be used to modify other vector sets, in other words, a GÇ£body language setGÇ¥ can be used to mathematically transform a separate GÇ£body language set.GÇ¥ By applying a transformation eigenvector (which is in and of itself a complex area of study, of which I know only basics) we can thus create a self-maintaining prediction algorithm for a pair of isolated bodies, engaging in GÇ£body languageGÇ¥. This is certainly an esoteric thing, but can be used to great effect. For example, the CAT artificial intelligence, popular in the Gallente Federation, makes use of a simplified version of this algorithm to gauge the emotional state of key individuals and ensure that it is never outside of a GÇ£politeness bound.GÇ¥ More complex versions of this algorithm are used by diplomatic advisors across the Cluster. This process is not yet fast enough to allow for full, real-time modality tracking, but there are ongoing experiments that push the bounds of our understanding and application of the method. A related area which is taken extremely seriously within my own home nation is Memetic Engineering. In this, ideas are decomposed into quadratic vectors, which allow for their mathematical representation within a simulated society. Each meme is rated according to several factors, with many similarities to biological studies: memes have virulence, tolerance ratings to hostile environments of different sorts, resistance to immune factors, and so on. Collections of memes are calculated into compounds called memeplexes, which can likewise be calculated upon. In this manner a Memetic Engineer is able to accurately predict the propagation of concepts within a population. My own home company, Lai Dai, has a very large and reputable Memetic Engineering department. One of the most common uses for this science is that of marketing and propaganda. I donGÇÖt think I need to explain why this is a useful science for those tasks, but it does seem to explain the successes of Mr. Tibus Heth and the general solidarity of the State. IGÇÖll refrain from making political statements at this time, however. One last comment, more in line with my own field of study. Both of these sciences model their various elements as matrixes of vectors GÇô some scalar, some quadratic. In decision theory (commonly, Artificial Intelligence studies), modalities are often rendered as matrixes, matrixes which undergo transformations based on probabilistic Bayesian weightings of self-adapting option sets. ItGÇÖs relatively trivial, then, for me to use data collected by a memetic study and use them in the construction of an adaptive social prediction engine. This is important to note because the human brain, unaugmented, uses an identical means of processing information from its senses GÇô a set of neurons can be represented as matrixes, with their various dendrite/axon pairs being Bayesian-weighted adapting option sets. Many of our implants function in exactly the same way, too. While we havenGÇÖt the computing power to accurately predict an entire human beingGÇÖs input/output stream in real time, weGÇÖre close, and the ability to predict brings with it a treasure trove of applications. You yourself are no doubt aware of many. So, while we donGÇÖt have implants that can connect us to instant telepathy, we do certainly understand the concept, and are capable of working in the field indirectly. I hope this helped, and that you enjoyed reading it. May your ventures bring you great profit. -Scherezad

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