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PurgatoryUnleashed	Posted - 2008.09.01 07:54:00 - [1] o/ Our corp recently moved into 0.0 with angel rats being the main source of income. Most of the spawns are single or double BS's worth 500-1.25m with light support. Currently I fly a T2 fit blaster harpy with a MSEII for passive tanking. It does very well for the most part, but with my skills, I have trouble blowing up any of the BS's with 1m bounties. My (poor) gunnery skills give me 132 dps with this setup: 4x Light Ion Blaster II (Void) 1NM AB II MSE II Named web Invul Field II Mag Stab II PDU II (Required for fitting the Ions) I'd like to stick with AF's if possible cause they are very fun to fly (can only fly Caldari AF's), but I can also fly any Amarr, Gallente and Caldari T1 ship up to BS, and Amarr + Caldari HAC's. Keep in mind that the rats do kinetic/explosive damage and are weak vs explosive. Thanks in advance for any advice.
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.09.01 09:11:00 - [2] Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 01/09/2008 09:24:26 Originally by: PurgatoryUnleashed Thanks in advance for any advice. Electrons and 2 MFS will raise your dps, active tanking with small shield booster and bigger guns and 2 MFS an option too. Hawk with Phalanx rockets may have more practical DPS on Angels too. That's if you stay Caldari. An autocannon Wolf shooting Fusion likely your best bet as Angel ratting in an AF goes. If I was to try it in a Harpy I'd use the following setup, 250 dps with max skills and t1 ammo but small tank so just avoid frig/destroyer heavy spawns. As a bonus, angels drop those mid slots items keeping the cost down [Harpy, Angel Ratting] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Small C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator F-S8 Relativistic Deflection Shield Induction I Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Rocket Launcher II, Phalanx Rocket [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.09.01 09:29:00 - [3] Originally by: Lubomir Penev If I was to try it in a Harpy I'd use the following setup, 250 dps with max skills and t1 ammo but small tank so just avoid frig/destroyer heavy spawns. Pfft, I have killed destroyer heavy spawns in an incursus without a tank. Damage tanking ftw! Hardest spawns are the T2 cruiser spawns cos they tank as hard as the high end BS and they can still hit you lol. Never backed down 'till I was at least into hull though
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.09.01 10:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Wil Smithx Originally by: Lubomir Penev If I was to try it in a Harpy I'd use the following setup, 250 dps with max skills and t1 ammo but small tank so just avoid frig/destroyer heavy spawns. Pfft, I have killed destroyer heavy spawns in an incursus without a tank. Damage tanking ftw! Hardest spawns are the T2 cruiser spawns cos they tank as hard as the high end BS and they can still hit you lol. Never backed down 'till I was at least into hull though RUN AWAAY snipe form 100km and laugh at the wee rats dieing to ur frigate
Dr Jamius	Posted - 2008.09.01 10:43:00 - [5] Edited by: Dr Jamius on 01/09/2008 10:43:34 [Harpy, Harpy Blaster Ratter] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Small Shield Extender II Small Shield Booster II Explosion Dampening Amplifier II Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Phalanx Rocket Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I 180 dps with Antimatter or 210dps with void s. Although for ratting Angels I prefer my Wolf setup, because it aligns a litte faster than the Harpy, at 2km/s it's less likely to get ganked at a gate and you can use Fusion S and for the more difficult spawns, Hail S. [Wolf, Wolf Angel Ratter] Gyrostabilizer II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Phalanx Rocket Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I
PurgatoryUnleashed	Posted - 2008.09.01 11:03:00 - [6] Thanks everyone for the replies. Lubomir, your setup seems pretty solid, I forgot about using named mods to fit everything. I'll give it a shot tomorrow. I can get 190 dps with antimatter by raising rapid firing and surgical strike to 4. I was only getting 137 dps with void with the passive setup. Thanks again!
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2008.09.01 12:18:00 - [7] I'm surprised noone seems to have considered the Vengeance... Its tank is designed for Angels and its rocket armed so (unlike the Retribution) it has the damage type for them as well...
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.09.01 12:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Jacob Holland I'm surprised noone seems to have considered the Vengeance... Its tank is designed for Angels and its rocket armed so (unlike the Retribution) it has the damage type for them as well... One acronym : DPS
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.09.01 16:13:00 - [9] Originally by: PurgatoryUnleashed I can also fly any Amarr, Gallente and Caldari T1 ship up to BS, and Amarr + Caldari HAC's. Didn't see that before but given that your best ratter would likely be an HAM Sacrilege then. Pretty fun to fly, right resists for rats so you can rat in PvP fit, and got an utility high for salvager/cloak. More expensive than an AF but should pay for itself pretty fast.
PurgatoryUnleashed	Posted - 2008.09.01 22:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: PurgatoryUnleashed I can also fly any Amarr, Gallente and Caldari T1 ship up to BS, and Amarr + Caldari HAC's. Didn't see that before but given that your best ratter would likely be an HAM Sacrilege then. Pretty fun to fly, right resists for rats so you can rat in PvP fit, and got an utility high for salvager/cloak. More expensive than an AF but should pay for itself pretty fast. I'd like to fly one, but there aren't any available in my area, and I'm a little short on cash from re-stocking :(
Hotice	Posted - 2008.09.01 23:06:00 - [11] Edited by: Hotice on 01/09/2008 23:13:10 I would say either Zealot, or Ishtar/shield tanked domi with t1 drones. They don't need to worry about ammo issue. Zealot with t2 pulse can easily tank and gank any angel spawn without issue. Ishtar is a beast with drones and can have decent pvp setup while ratting as well. Domi, well it is a domi. Cheap and effective not to mention better cargo space. Zealot can just run away if needed. Both HAC are fast as well. I perfer none ammo use ships in 0.0 since you can just keep going without restock. I've done over a month of ratting in zealot without ever dock into any station. The only time I have to dock is to unload named mods when cargo filled up. That is before the moduel size change though. Nowdays you have to off load more often but still better than worry about ammo. Rocket and HAM both are not worth it due to high ammo useage.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.01 23:12:00 - [12] If you're going to be fitting a Shield Booster then at the very least make it a Pithii C or B-type (or Gistii variant) They're only about 20mil but boost 2x the shields as a T2. Very worth it.
Lunarmist	Posted - 2008.09.01 23:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Rawr Cristina If you're going to be fitting a Shield Booster then at the very least make it a Pithii C or B-type (or Gistii variant) They're only about 20mil but boost 2x the shields as a T2. Very worth it. I don't think he will need those faction mods. 0.0 rats are super easy to tank, the hardest part is to break their tank effectively. Rocket and HAM are just not very practical with high ammo use. I've used Retribution with faction crystal for 0.0 angel rats. Break 1.25m angel rats without any problem. Hardly need to tank either even against t2 cruiser spawns. Simply turn on AB and zig, zag over then pop them. Don't tank much damage.

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