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eddie valvetino
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Posted - 2004.06.10 12:28:00 -
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Seems the best way for all of us to bridge that gap, is watch and learn
Me and some corpies took a right beatin recently because we are newbies (well one of us is 4/5 months old.
after the beatin the guy that beat us (timekeeper) told us how and now we are better able to deal in the future
Eve isn't just about buying and training skills, but each one of us must learn how to play the game
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2004.06.10 12:35:00 -
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Look. Come on. One thing I've NEVER heard from anyone is
'Sorry, you're too low level to group/gang with us'
Unlike every other mmorpg I've played. imo, gratz CCP!
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Lermitte
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Posted - 2004.06.10 12:37:00 -
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Hardin and Eddie have both made a great point.
Hardin's point is that if you train for a specific purpose you get far more effective far quicker.
Who of us didnt waste hours of training on skills etc cos we didnt know what we wanted or what we were doing.
Eddie' comment of actually listening and trying to learn from Vets compliments this in that by doing so they can avoide a lot of the time we wasted.
That way they will indeed close the gap quicker anyhow.
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Logi3
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Posted - 2004.06.10 13:15:00 -
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Don't forgot. Most the Vets are traing high level 5 skills that say... take 20 days. We can get that skill up to lvl 4 in 2-4 days.
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fras
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Posted - 2004.06.10 13:26:00 -
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Yeah sorry, I guess there is a plateaux, but it's only theoretical. Noone is going to reach it before more skills are introduced (like the new missile skills). I'm pretty sure that trend will continue so the vets will always have an edge.
That's what I was implying.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.06.10 13:55:00 -
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 Originally by: fras
Yeah sorry, I guess there is a plateaux, but it's only theoretical. Noone is going to reach it before more skills are introduced (like the new missile skills). I'm pretty sure that trend will continue so the vets will always have an edge.
That's what I was implying.
beg to differ, lots of cambat oriented people ARE at the plateau already as far as improving their combat skills goes.
they are now probably training up defender missile 5 or science 5 because they got nothing better to do.
There are people out there (and not just a few) with over 10 million skillpoints. Calculate how many of those fit into a specialise char and you'll see their plateau for that specialisation has been reached long ago.
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Maidel
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Posted - 2004.06.10 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lucre
When you can have 6 times the experience but be only 5% better, that's a plateau...
yea that was kinda the point i was trying to make... but u made it better  
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.06.10 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: FileCop AI
Actually, there really is no gab. It takes only about 2-3 months to get a character into a battleship with descent skills. You won't take out an elite player in 1on1, but in a fleetbattle those skills doesn't really mean anything. New players have these months to familiarize themselves with the game, make money, learn the ways of pvp and so on.
And you can get in pvp even faster. In a couple of weeks you can fly a frigate and be almost as deadly as any other frigate pilot out there - even though he has 15M skillpoints.
As I said - there is no gab. Nothing to fix. It's all fine.
what he said
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.06.10 16:37:00 -
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God I hate this laggy site, can I please get to type my reply when I want to and not 15 minutes later!?
Now to the business at hand, to counter this feeling they should at least make advanced requirements that in the worst case is lvl4 of a certain few skills to be lvl5 as to take more commitment to achieve.
This has been done with Interceptors and hopefully this is a development that will continue, therefor I see no problem with the current situation.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.06.10 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
God I hate this laggy site, can I please get to type my reply when I want to and not 15 minutes later!?
Now to the business at hand, to counter this feeling they should at least make advanced requirements that in the worst case is lvl4 of a certain few skills to be lvl5 as to take more commitment to achieve.
This has been done with Interceptors and hopefully this is a development that will continue, therefor I see no problem with the current situation.
The laggy bit is on your side, I think. I get instant page loads etc. both from home and work.
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2004.06.10 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 10/06/2004 17:22:04
I geuss the gap between me and a new player is that I can hunt 0.5 NPC rats in an MWD equipped Ibis and they can't.  (I really don't know if that's something to brag about  )
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Malveth
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Posted - 2004.06.10 17:52:00 -
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I don't really find there's a gap either. The players that have been in-game for quite a long time can be a great resource. Also, having things to look forward to makes playing the game that much more fun.
The market system is key - finding the best deals when buying or selling something can make you or break you. I don't have a world of money yet, but that's because I wasn't careful when exploring (two Bantams down the tubes  ).
I've got Caldari Frigate III trained, and Gallente Frigate III has 18 hours left - I'm only a week in. I'll be picking up Caldari Industrial tonight, and then it's a matter of training and moneymaking to get my Badger. Then the world opens up, as I mine with my Imicus and then transport / trade with the Badger.
I think the game is fine the way it is.
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Garramon
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Posted - 2004.06.10 18:51:00 -
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I think as soon as players got about 25% of the skills in a certain area to level 5, CCP should/should have release(d) the next level of specialization in that area. Here an idea of some skills to come:
Large Artillery Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Large Autocannon Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Large Beam Laser Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Large Blaster Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Large Energy Turret Skill: Gunnery
Large Hybrid Turret Skill: Gunnery
Large Projectile Turret Skill: Gunnery
Large Pulse Laser Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Large Railgun Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Medium Artillery Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Medium Autocannon Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Medium Beam Laser Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Medium Blaster Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Medium Energy Turret Skill: Gunnery
Medium Hybrid Turret Skill: Gunnery
Medium Projectile Turret Skill: Gunnery
Medium Pulse Laser Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Medium Railgun Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Small Artillery Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Small Autocannon Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Small Beam Laser Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Small Blaster Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Small Energy Turret Skill: Gunnery
Small Hybrid Turret Skill: Gunnery
Small Projectile Turret Skill: Gunnery
Small Pulse Laser Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Small Railgun Specialization Skill: Gunnery
Shield Piercing Skill: Gunnery
Advanced Weapon Upgrades Skill: Gunnery
Armor Breaching Skill: Gunnery
Advanced Energy Grid Upgrades Skill: Engineering
Advanced Shield Upgrades Skill: Engineering
EM Shield Compensation Skill: Engineering
Explosive Shield Compensation Skill: Engineering
Kinetic Shield Compensation Skill: Engineering
Thermic Shield Compensation Skill: Engineering
Blaster Drone Specialization Skill: Drones
Laser Drone Specialization Skill: Drones
Projectile Drone Specialization Skill: Drones
Railgun Drone Specialization Skill: Drones
Repair Drone Operation Skill: Drones
Salvage Drone Operation Skill: Drones
Drone Navigation Skill: Drones
And thats just the fighting ones...So, we can (hopefully) soon(tm) say goodbye to our skill plateaus.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.06.10 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Alberto
Edited by: Alberto on 10/06/2004 08:21:33
the gap between veteran players and newbies
Eve devs were talking about how to fix the gap between veteran players and newbies in the CSM Session Seven Chat and they said that this is something we would like to take a look at
comeąą oną.. deves only thing you need to do to fix the gap between veteran players and newbies is to evolve the economy make it more complex or advanced so players donĘt have to rely on skills only but there own minds too.
I think the gap is quite small.Eve was conceived that way that its easy to get good at things but pretty hard to get very good.I mean the skills system, level 4 usually fast, level 5 very long.
As for cash its enough to join a bigger corp.
I dont think new pilots have a hard life it hink its pretty balanced.
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