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Jei Li	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:00:00 - [1] new people dont have the knowledge or experience of most of you. there many that go to hi sec to mess with new people just because they can i pay for my game, and if i wished to be attacked or messed with i'd go to lower sec areas. Point is that hi sec is for learning i believe is it not? Seems that many of you like toying with new people so why not pay for our game then you can do as you wish. you all were new were you not? so leave us new people alone in 1.0 sec or buy my eve
123GuessWho	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:01:00 - [2] then dont pay for it, stop playing and go play wow. ITS PART OF THE BLOODY GAME YOU CHOOSE TO PLAY NO ONE FORCES YOU TO PLAY (except when ur asian and ur slaved to make isks)
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:02:00 - [3] Dude, think of it as a learning experience... If somebody suicide ganks you or wardecs you just adapt or die. That is what eve is about, and if you dont like it you might as well leave now.
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:04:00 - [4] I kinda wish high security was for only learning :) you'll find more old players there than any one else Join The Fight With Promo Today View The North Star!
Cygnus Zhada Amarr Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:04:00 - [5] New players have an excuse to not know things, anyone older than 2-3 months does not. While that doesn't mean they should be allknowing on EVE, they SHOULD have invested time into learning a few basic things. If they couldn't be bothered then they only have themselves to blame.
Sharky Blade Gallente Trojans Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Jei Li new people dont have the knowledge or experience of most of you. there many that go to hi sec to mess with new people just because they can i pay for my game, and if i wished to be attacked or messed with i'd go to lower sec areas. Welcome to Eve... where we all agree to be attacked and/or messed with the instant we log on. Originally by: Jei Li Point is that hi sec is for learning i believe is it not? Seems that many of you like toying with new people so why not pay for our game then you can do as you wish. Hi Sec is safer...no where in eve is save.. logging in = learning.. all the time Originally by: Jei Li you all were new were you not? so leave us new people alone in 1.0 sec or buy my eve Yes I was also new.. back in may 2003 and yes i got shot many times my first few weeks and yes also in 1.0 So once again.. welcome to EvE
Cruel Crow	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:07:00 - [7] Lots of older players who only know 2things Lock Veldspar > Mine Veldspar
Akorin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:07:00 - [8] Originally by: 123GuessWho ITS PART OF THE BLOODY GAME YOU CHOOSE TO PLAY NO ONE FORCES YOU TO PLAY Says the alt-poster.. Anyway to the OP, it's a sad fact of life in Eve that there are many people who like to make themselves feel big by scamming, exploiting or simply harassing new players. It's best to view this as part of the learning process. Today's patch will also make it a bit harder for 'bad' players to interfere with you in high security space. Just keep in mind that there are idiots everywhere, but there are also a large amount of good people who are willing to assist new players. The in game Help channel (not Rookie Help) is one place you'll find them but that's just the beginning ;)
Yelan Zhou Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:07:00 - [9] As a new player I can only say to the OP.How do you want to learn In a secure box? War. War never changes.
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:08:00 - [10] You wouldnt learn much about the nature of EvE in a risk free environment -----------------
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:08:00 - [11] Old players that bully noobs are sad. They should be in 0.0 but they were bullied in rl so take it out on you in game. especially as they see some players younger than them make it in 0.0 and they are still hanging out in empire grieving noobs, they suck. and if they are 0.0 player, they must be bad at 0.0 Downtime made me post here
clonkrieger Imperium Forces Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:08:00 - [12] When you read these forums and see many ridiculous threads, you realise now why the world is in such a state. But yer... call it experience. ___________________________ Returned after being absent. Updating...
Vladimir Griftin	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:08:00 - [13] Originally by: sableye I kinda wish high security was for only learning :) you'll find more old players there than any one else This. The problem is its not just a place to learn, you never have to leave your fuzzy little world.
Krug dug Amarr Butterfly Effect Corp.	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:09:00 - [14] they could atleast make the 6(i think) sstems that are clased as starting zones void of pvp but remove all but 1 asteroid belt from the system so theres not really any profit in staying there ----------------------------------------------- In life, every motions makes a universal change.
Farrqua Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Jei Li i pay for my game, and if i wished to be attacked or messed with i'd go to lower sec areas. I pay for my game too. And If I wish to attack you with in the boundaries of the rules and mechanics, anywhere in eve, even in 1.0, I can. If you wish to pay for my game so you can play how wish outside the current structure. Then go for it. First lesson is free.
Yorku Radically Awesome People Eaters	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:11:00 - [16] They speak true, EVE is indeed a game of adaptation. I have a member in the Radically Awesome People Eaters who I am quite proud of actually. He is i think under 2 months and is already in a t2 fitted battlecruiser able to kill most people flying BCs themeselves. (it is possible that this is a slight overestimation of his abilities) This works because: 1. He can skill well. (adaptation ftw) 2. He knows how to fit ships. (adaptation ftw) 3. He understands the mechanics of the game. (adaptation ftw) By adaptation, all I mean is he learns. Basically, all i'm saying is what the other guys are saying. Suck it up and be a good new player. Being a good new player will lead you into being a good old player one day. Ok i'm done with the jibberish now. Also convo me in game we want you to join! am i allowed to say taht here?
Shad0wsFury Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:12:00 - [17] If you want to learn, join EVE University. I haven't been involved with them in a while, but wardecing them is asking to be humiliated by 100+ frigate bee swarms. People don't mess with the Uni. Then you only have to worry about your freak griefers. If they start bothering you, just dock up and they'll go away rather quickly to find someone who they CAN bother.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Firestar Drive Yards	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:14:00 - [18] Originally by: 123GuessWho then dont pay for it, stop playing and go play wow. ITS PART OF THE BLOODY GAME YOU CHOOSE TO PLAY NO ONE FORCES YOU TO PLAY (except when ur asian and ur slaved to make isks) This unintelligent troll is sadly entirely correct. This is the game you signed up for. Highsec has a list of mechanics to keep you safe, but you still have to learn to look after yourself.
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:17:00 - [19] In eve, you never really stop learning as just because you have 'memorized' some facet of the game, doesn't mean its set in stone. CCP changes things by design and sometimes, by mistake (side effects usually). You will always be learning. Lessons that are set in stone: - Security level of system dictates the response when a hostile action takes please. It does not 'secure' you from hostile actions, intended or otherwise (just like real life really). - There is ALWAYS someone better at something than you. - All skills cap out at 5, you too can get as good as a vet at flying your favorite frigate. Only experience from PVP will differentiate you eventually. - Ships go boom .. they don't last forever, don't sweat it when you lose em. You can lose 100% of assets and still play the game, you just have to buy a GTC or mine / rat to get back into whatever it was you lost. - Insurance is your friend with T1 ships - Medical clones MUST always be kept up to date. You never know when you might fly into the path of a smart bomber. - Its just a game, don't get too mad at how people play it. Its designed to be very open so people can play the way they want to. If they WANT to grief people, they can. It does cost them something (sec status, isk, a ship perhaps), if they can do the time, they will do the crime :-) - Everyone is in the same Universe, god help you if you meet them all in one system. Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it."
Blastil	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Sharky Blade logging in = learning.. all the time In EvE Logging OUT = learning too!
Mr Sado	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:25:00 - [21] Edited by: Mr Sado on 02/09/2008 17:26:19 no one can interfere with your game unless you allow it. there tricks and then there are tricks. was mining, a fairly noob shows up demanind isk or he kills me. I was in osprey with 1 launcher. I shot asteroid which made him think i shot him...so he shot and con killed him lol starter bases aren't meant to be hide outs.do the turorials then venture out..learn as you go. there are plenty who will help answer questions or what ever. just look at those that mess with noobs as sucking in rest of game so thats all they can do. suck up learn and move on...its all just a game. if not then go play pogo:) Mr. Sado
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:38:00 - [22] too many noobs in this thread giving newer noobs advice like there are leet. Going back to COAD where the smack is real but the noobs there are less noobish and don't shoot empire noobs. well some do but they are noobs.
Miss Uylear Caldari Uylears Dream	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:40:00 - [23] Yeah its the whole risk of playing EVE, the idea that you can lose everything that makes it so damn compelling to play in the first place. look at me; new player. Have a main that is two months older. This main, on his first day, went to low sec and tried to gank a BS for money. Velator v Megathron. I quickly adopted the ideal that if you cant stand to lose, then you really should not play with a risky way. Now, if I dont want risk, I dont fly through low sec on AP or at all at times. I dont AP through hi-sec if cargo is of value. I dont jet can mine when a buddy is not there to haul or fight back. In fact, risky play is what gets my rocks off at times! The day you warp to a 0.0 gate and see that two warp bubbles are so stupidly placed that you merely have to warp in from a planet to get to the gate is the day you love EVE. I see no man like man see's me.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Jei Li new people dont have the knowledge or experience of most of you. there many that go to hi sec to mess with new people just because they can i pay for my game, and if i wished to be attacked or messed with i'd go to lower sec areas. Point is that hi sec is for learning i believe is it not? Seems that many of you like toying with new people so why not pay for our game then you can do as you wish. you all were new were you not? so leave us new people alone in 1.0 sec or buy my eve As long as you're a SMART new player (that is, don't carry all your stuff in a single ship, and be wary of container aggro rules), there is no reason you'll lose your ship to another player in high-sec. Because you'll not be worth losing a ship to kill you. Think of it as an incentive not to do stupid things. ------------------------------------------
eddie valvetino Caldari ECP Rogues	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:43:00 - [25] Originally by: 123GuessWho then dont pay for it, stop playing and go play wow. ITS PART OF THE BLOODY GAME YOU CHOOSE TO PLAY NO ONE FORCES YOU TO PLAY (except when ur asian and ur slaved to make isks) signed personally, using you same logic, I pay so that i can come and gank n00bs... if you don't like the game... can i suggest a megadrive? (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Atedar Kerane	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:51:00 - [26] I actually agree with Jei Li, that too many people is picking on the noobs. I've done it myself a few times, but I still think its pathetic. Let the new players get a chance to get started, and go pick on them when they got a good ship, and a bunch of corp mates ready to help. Well... this will properly not happen, cause the people who pick on the new guys is usually awful at pvp, and wouldnt dare fighting if there's even a minimal risk of loosing the ship.
Miss Uylear Caldari Uylears Dream	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Atedar Kerane I actually agree with Jei Li, that too many people is picking on the noobs. I've done it myself a few times, but I still think its pathetic. Let the new players get a chance to get started, and go pick on them when they got a good ship, and a bunch of corp mates ready to help. Well... this will properly not happen, cause the people who pick on the new guys is usually awful at pvp, and wouldnt dare fighting if there's even a minimal risk of loosing the ship. CCP themselves state that new players can hold their own against more mature players in some context. A very loose one, and they'd have to be lucky. yet I agree, some of those that pick on new players are not that great at PvP. Yet I know some griefers, and have seen that they do not activley LOOK for new players, but that the prey they look for just happen to be new as to be making the mistake of doing what it is they do. And it is a mistake. This is a space role-playing multi player game. If I cant interact with players on levels of human interaction possibel in such a game, I dont want to pay for it. I'd rather play scrabble, as only my word knowledge willb e dented if I lose. I see no man like man see's me.
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:59:00 - [28] I still miss the 'jet a can', rename it to 'you. Fire back now!' and then target some nublet, then warp scram the can (which flashes up a message that would read 'Spurty has attempted to warps cram "You. Fire back now!") to make em fire on you trick. So many wrecks Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it."
Child biter	Posted - 2008.09.02 18:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Jei Li new people dont have the knowledge or experience of most of you. there many that go to hi sec to mess with new people just because they can i pay for my game, and if i wished to be attacked or messed with i'd go to lower sec areas. Point is that hi sec is for learning i believe is it not? Seems that many of you like toying with new people so why not pay for our game then you can do as you wish. you all were new were you not? so leave us new people alone in 1.0 sec or buy my eve /wrists i just got back into this game (only played for the trial) and i still only have basic understanding about things. getting killed is part of the game. insure your ship make sure you have a clone and stop crying about it
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.09.02 18:13:00 - [30] Originally by: Jei Li i pay for my game, and if i wished to be attacked or messed with i'd go to lower sec areas. Sorry, it works the other way around: if you don't want to be attacked or messed with, you shouldn't pay for the game — those services are included in the price. Quote: Point is that hi sec is for learning i believe is it not? Factually incorrect. The n00b systems are for learning — all twelve of them — that's why they have more restrictions on what you can do than the rest of high-sec. The rest of high-sec is for playing it safe-ish, but that's all. Quote: Seems that many of you like toying with new people so why not pay for our game then you can do as you wish. Some might, but that's just a side-effect of the absolute need to allow attacks of anyone, anywhere in order for the political system of ≡v≡ to hold together. Quote: you all were new were you not? Yes. I still am. Guess what: they learned to survive (in a far harsher environment than you are); I'm still learning (it's not that hard). Get over it or GTFO.

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