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Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:45:00 - [31] @ Op...obvious troll is obvious _____________________ Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:46:00 - [32] Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Caldari ships got anything, if you train for caldari you are sure to have all. PvE ship? They got the best! My Golem is best all rounder, but not the fastest. Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley PVP ships? They whined so hard that they got some of the best! Cerberus and Eagle, maybe, but I pick other races in preference. Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Fleet ships? Same, they got a turret bs for fleet and a missile bs for pve, how many other races got this? none. Not sure what you are saying here. Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Electronic warfare? The best again. Ah yes, the farty Falcon. I can fly it, but never do, I much prefer the Gallente Recons. Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Want to talk about ship bonuses? Go on then. Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley All the ships got usefull bonuses and some ships got bonuses for 2 weapon systems!! An example? The Raven: bonus for cruise and torpedo. Another example, megathron for blasters and railguns. Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Seriously... WTF are you thinkin'about? I'll ask the same question of you. My money in on cognitive dissonance.
A Spy	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:49:00 - [33] Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley All the ships got usefull bonuses and some ships got bonuses for 2 weapon systems!! An example? The Raven: bonus for cruise and torpedo. For example: amarr ships need a bonus to lower the cap needed to use their weapon system!! They need a bonus to fire!!! While caldari got double bonus for 2 kind of missiles! Seriously... WTF are you thinkin'about? I think that you are rather dumb. Caldari get a bonus for Cruise Missiles + Torpedos, equal Gallente ships get the bonus for Railguns + Blasters, same with other races. Caldari have the most sp to train to use their ships (guns, missiles, drones, ecm) and have only mediocre ships compared to other races. You are a troll and not a very bright one, if you say Caldari are the best. Please stop harrassing us with dumb threads, just stop posting.
SuckySycky5dolla	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:51:00 - [34] caldari will 4ever be subpar on pvp because u can't use mids for sensor boosters, warp disruptors, web without severely sacrificing your tank. pve-wise its great. recons need balancing but not by nerfing it, i'd rather see a buff for gallente and pilgrim
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:52:00 - [35] Originally by: A Spy I think that you are rather dumb. Caldari get a bonus for Cruise Missiles + Torpedos, equal Gallente ships get the bonus for Railguns + Blasters, same with other races. Caldari have the most sp to train to use their ships (guns, missiles, drones, ecm) and have only mediocre ships compared to other races. You are a troll and not a very bright one, if you say Caldari are the best. Please stop harrassing us with dumb threads, just stop posting. God, I love your name. It's like mine, only not as subtle, which of course is probably the point I think Caldari need a serious buff. They are far and away behind every other race, including Minmatar. They are so hampered, in fact, that it's a surprise the ACLU hasn't come to their defense. How are they so handicapped, you wonder? Their ships are fugly as hell. Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:55:00 - [36] Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Caldari ships got anything, if you train for caldari you are sure to have all. PvE ship? They got the best! As we discovered last night, there are now anti raven missions. Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley PVP ships? They whined so hard that they got some of the best! Stop playing EVE. Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Fleet ships? Same, they got a turret bs for fleet and a missile bs for pve, how many other races got this? none. But the turret ship has the lowest dps of any of them. And there are missions the missile boat now can't do. Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Electronic warfare? The best again. How may other recons can sit 100+ km away and be so effective? None! When's the last time you soloed anyone in your Falcon? Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley "They are made of papers" they said... "You can do this, you can do that... to counter them" they said... Well, anything you can do to counter them is the same to counter other recons, but only in a caldari one you can sit 100+km ridicoulus away! And if they didn't they'd die in about a snap of the fingers. Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Want to talk about ship bonuses? All the ships got usefull bonuses and some ships got bonuses for 2 weapon systems!! An example? The Raven: bonus for cruise and torpedo. For example: amarr ships need a bonus to lower the cap needed to use their weapon system!! They need a bonus to fire!!! While caldari got double bonus for 2 kind of missiles! At this point you start just dribbling down your chin. Your stuff, I can has? ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:56:00 - [37] Just train for some other ships. It's not like you've rolled a Dark Elf Wizard just as Briton Armsmen got a boost, and are stuck! Givf re-spec!
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:58:00 - [38] Originally by: Fink Angel Just train for some other ships. It's not like you've rolled a Dark Elf Wizard just as Briton Armsmen got a boost, and are stuck! Givf re-spec! Quoted for ... Well hell, I don't know. I just felt it necessary to quote this. Something about the 'briton armsmen' part Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Armoured C Gallente The Aztecs Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:58:00 - [39] Edited by: Armoured C on 04/09/2008 18:01:00 yes because 2 raven pounding on my 1000 rep every 5 second with high resists EOS was sure killing me =) i was damped by scorp and being hit with 2 ravens sure i could target them back but hey they couldn't kill me, learn how to truely annoy caldari jammers i dont use ECCM of what ever they are called i just like to see those ships target length drop when i have many MANY damps on them =) with my fast locking lachesis yeah because they can sure jamm me when there targeting range is only 12 =), mand most average jamming pilot are only medicore at best and can punch through there jam 3 cycles in to then get damped beyond the ice age i say leave the caldari, they think they have the win race so when they come up to people and epic fail because they cant target meh with there jammers of kill me because there missiles take for ever to get to meh and i nbetween each volly the damage they have done has already been repped then i pity them caldari s****ftL Sig removed, only one graphic per sig please. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Lucai Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:10:00 - [40] Edited by: Lucai on 04/09/2008 18:12:58 Originally by: Elise Randolph Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley PVP ships? They whined so hard that they got some of the best! Please, name 4 Caldari PVP ships that don't suck - Scorp, Blackbird, Falcon, Crow, ???? Now name one that isn't a Crow and isn't a jamming ship. What's that? You can't because they all suck? Right. Im assuming you are just trolling, cause you should know better . This is the #1 misconception about Caldari ships. How about the torp raven for close range gankage, same dps as the popular Mega, but cap stable and not transversal dependant, much higher range, plus you cant counter it (no TDs). Or the drake. Name one BC that can beat a solidly setup HAM drake 1on1. There is none. Cerberus, hello? Not much to say here honestly. Good medium range HAC on par with many others (zealot and so on), while being able to deal dps from 100+kms, nicely augmenting e.g. falcons. The rokh isnt half bad for sniping work either. As is the famous cruise missile raven (the Burn Eden staple). And yes, some people do use ravens for other things than fitting WCS + smartbomb ^^ You mentioned the crow already, and the Falcon is honestly the most overpowered force recon out there. Of course caldari got some bad ships also, the nighthawk e.g. comes to mind, but its not like there are no good caldari PVP ships. If you think there are none, learn to fit and fly . Its honestly time to break your crow/BB/scorp flying fetish if you want to get in on the discussion .
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:18:00 - [41] The Falcon is overpowered? THE FALCON IS OVERPOWERED? When. Is. The. Last. Time. You. Solokilled. ANYTHING. With. A. Falcon. Short MAYBE a pod, the answer is, never. I have soloed people in every other force recon in the game. However The Falcon HAS NO CHOICE but to be in a minimum party of two because it DEALS NO DAMAGE! All it can do is jam, and fly away. And you better hope you don't miss your diceroll based jams, cause you're dead if you roll all ones.
Lucai Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:19:00 - [42] Edited by: Lucai on 04/09/2008 18:23:16 This is a multi-player game, you know How come in nearly every BS gang i encounter, there are a few falcons? But never really any other force recon except for the occasional rapier. Sure the rapier is nice if you want to catch fast stuff, and the rapier and arazu are nice if your gang is nano, but nothing beats the versatility of the falcon, meaning whatever type of gang or fleet youre flying in, youll profit largely from a falcon.
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:22:00 - [43] Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 04/09/2008 18:25:02 And I fly in a corp full of recons. The fact stands you CAN, should you need to, solo in every force recon EXCEPT the falcon. In fact, a pilgrim corpie just last night defended me successfully against a sacrilege (mail upon request) who was preying upon haulers in an area. that multiplayer enough for you? If the falcon pilots had been the only ones available, yeah they could jam him for me to get by, but once they have to go to work, bed, food, whatever he's still there and I still have to deal with him later. I needed him dead, not temporarily set aside.
Lucai Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:29:00 - [44] Edited by: Lucai on 04/09/2008 18:31:56 Originally by: SSgt Sniper Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 04/09/2008 18:25:02 And I fly in a corp full of recons. The fact stands you CAN, should you need to, solo in every force recon EXCEPT the falcon. In fact, a pilgrim corpie just last night defended me successfully against a sacrilege (mail upon request) who was preying upon haulers in an area. that multiplayer enough for you? If the falcon pilots had been the only ones available, yeah they could jam him for me to get by, but once they have to go to work, bed, food, whatever he's still there and I still have to deal with him later. I needed him dead, not temporarily set aside. Admittedly the pilgrim is usable solo. But arazu and rapier, try breaking 200dps in any useful fit. What can you solo in one of these? They are nice hauler killers, but thats probably it. The Falcon is indeed even worse for solo work, but its imho the best recon for medium and large gangs and fleets, so it sets it off in my book. As many people in this game fly in gangs, the falcon is normally the most useful of the lot. And it is quite powerful, a skilled falcon pilot can easily perma-jam several hostile ships.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:30:00 - [45] Originally by: Rhatar Khurin I love caldari's massive array of good speedy ships as well as their awesome tackling setups.... Our lineup of viable solo-ships is especially impressive! CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:31:00 - [46] Originally by: SSgt Sniper The Falcon is overpowered? THE FALCON IS OVERPOWERED? When. Is. The. Last. Time. You. Solokilled. ANYTHING. With. A. Falcon. Short MAYBE a pod, the answer is, never. I have soloed people in every other force recon in the game. However The Falcon HAS NO CHOICE but to be in a minimum party of two because it DEALS NO DAMAGE! All it can do is jam, and fly away. And you better hope you don't miss your diceroll based jams, cause you're dead if you roll all ones. BTW I got a KM in a Falcon last night! (Falcons are OP vs AFK ravens tbh...) CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:32:00 - [47] It's all about the drone skills. You have enough, you can kill stuff. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Ruze Originally by: Fink Angel Just train for some other ships. It's not like you've rolled a Dark Elf Wizard just as Briton Armsmen got a boost, and are stuck! Givf re-spec! Quoted for ... Well hell, I don't know. I just felt it necessary to quote this. Something about the 'briton armsmen' part Hey that's pretty good news. Redcoats were over-nerfed! CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:44:00 - [49] Originally by: Ruze They had the run of the mill, PvP and PvE. I don't think that means what you think it means...
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:46:00 - [50] Originally by: Lucai Edited by: Lucai on 04/09/2008 18:18:18 Originally by: Elise Randolph Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley PVP ships? They whined so hard that they got some of the best! Please, name 4 Caldari PVP ships that don't suck - Scorp, Blackbird, Falcon, Crow, ???? Now name one that isn't a Crow and isn't a jamming ship. What's that? You can't because they all suck? Right. Im assuming you are just trolling, cause you should know better . This is the #1 misconception about Caldari ships. How about the torp raven for close range gankage, same dps as the popular Mega, but cap stable and not transversal dependant, much higher range, plus you cant counter it (no TDs). Or the drake. Name one BC that can beat a solidly setup HAM drake 1on1. There is none. Cerberus, hello? Not much to say here honestly. Good medium range HAC on par with many others (zealot and so on), while being able to deal dps from 100+kms, nicely augmenting e.g. falcons. The rokh isnt half bad for sniping work either. As is the famous cruise missile raven (the Burn Eden staple). And yes, some people do use ravens for other things than fitting WCS + smartbomb ^^ You mentioned the crow already, and the Falcon is honestly the most overpowered force recon out there. Of course caldari got some bad ships also, the nighthawk e.g. comes to mind, but its not like there are no good caldari PVP ships. If you think there are none, learn to fit and fly . Its honestly time to break your crow/BB/scorp flying fetish if you want to get in on the discussion . Are all other ships that bad that you didnt even take them out once, or why are you losing nothing else? Looks like EFT warrioring in addition to the KB whoring to me. Caldari ships haven't really changed much since I started playing 2 years ago: Torp boost: made the raven into a short-range gankship that can compete with megathrons and geddons, has strengths and weaknesses compared to either - I'd say that they're balanced enough that pilot skill at fitting and flying is the greatest factor between one or another being better. Falcon boost: made the falcon into a useable ship. In fact highly effective - far and away the best EW ship, although still with some huge weaknesses that some people neglect to ascknowledge. Not getting into another 20-page falcon argument tbh. Caldari Agility boost: long, long overdue. Caldari ships are still usually the slowest and heaviest in their class, but at least now they can get into warp before I finish the chapter of the book I'm reading. And really that's it. I think what has really changed the perception of Caldari ships has been the huge "baby boom" of caldari pilots which are now old enough to have the skills to make their ships really shine, and the experience to use them properly as focused niche-ships. The agility boost helped all caldari, and the torp boost helped ravens a lot, but the pilots are the main factor now. You could cite other things like drone bandwidth and the ongoing disaster that are Minmatar battelships, but that's the main one I think. A specialised niche-ship is obviously going to be better in it's niche than a more versatile one. The Falcon is the supreme example: a ship that can literally only do one thing, but can do it superlatively well. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:59:00 - [51] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Ruze They had the run of the mill, PvP and PvE. I don't think that means what you think it means... Run of the town a better way of saying it? Hey, I have an excuse, damnit. English isn't my native language. I'm an American. Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.09.04 19:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Ruze Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Ruze They had the run of the mill, PvP and PvE. I don't think that means what you think it means... Run of the town a better way of saying it? Hey, I have an excuse, damnit. English isn't my native language. I'm an American. Run of the mill means: average I'm the overpowered Caldari in the OP -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Minami Sayuri	Posted - 2008.09.04 20:25:00 - [53] Edited by: Minami Sayuri on 04/09/2008 20:28:35 Originally by: 5pinDizzy Caldari frigates - Amarr Punisher can beat any other t1 frigate ingame 1 on 1. I'd wager a Griffin could probably beat a Punisher without much problem in most instances. ^^ Originally by: 5pinDizzy Caracal - Hits hard but can't tank for squat. Still one of the most effective (if not THE most effective) PvE cruiser in the game. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Blackbird - Ecm is a pain, but again can't tank for squat. Much like most other EWar boats, not meant to have much of a tank to begin with, but I'd probably say one of the most effective T1 EWar boats out there despite that. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Moa - Sort of like a really ugly inferior Maller I think, inferior because it would have to use an active tank to get it's resistances anywhere as near. Or it can be a half decent sniper. Agree with you here... Might as well just use a Caracal in most instances. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Ferox and Drake - Both tank well, both can't do dps for squat without sacrificing a huge portion of their tank. The Drake tanks EXCEPTIONALLY well and though it may not deal as much damage as the other BC's, it's still probably the best BC for ratting and missions since the nerfing of the Myrmidon. Originally by: 5pinDizzy It sure is nice being a caldari-amarr hybrid. Since I like variety, I'll agree with this and add that it's even nicer being an all-race hybrid once your skillpoints rack up. Originally by: 5pinDizzy The infinite use of amarr ammo is invaluable for deep long journeys into nullsec. My favorite feature of Amarr ships... Personally I believe the races are pretty balanced for the most part at the moment. I don't think it can be denied that the Caldari do have some awesome ships for their roles, but so do the other races.
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.04 20:57:00 - [54] Edited by: Evil Pookie on 04/09/2008 21:01:29 I dont think caldari suck at pvp: Evil Pookie BURN EDEN 5689 kills, 68 losses, 83.66:1 ratio, 422.24 billion ISK inflicted in damage, and 18947 points
Xavier Zedicus Aliastra	Posted - 2008.09.04 21:03:00 - [55] Originally by: Ruze I have one word to throw out to the masses ... MOTHERF*CKINGGODDAMNEDAMARR!!!! Nobody else has a right to complain about their race. NOBODY! after speed nerf gallente to but only slight complaining not full on whining.
Minami Sayuri	Posted - 2008.09.04 21:38:00 - [56] Originally by: Evil Pookie Edited by: Evil Pookie on 04/09/2008 21:01:29 I dont think caldari suck at pvp: Evil Pookie BURN EDEN 5689 kills, 68 losses, 83.66:1 ratio, 422.24 billion ISK inflicted in damage, and 18947 points How many of those were auto-piloting AFK haulers?
Majin82 Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.09.04 21:57:00 - [57] Asuka.. you know nothing is stoping you from training Caldari ships right... Also you are ignorant of some facts so let me inform you a bit. ECM ships To be able to sit at 100km and be effective you need to train the following skills. Electronics V Electronic Warfare Frequency Modulation Long Distance Jamming Projected Electronic Counter Measures Signal Dispersion Long Range Targeting(need to be able to lock at range) Signature Analysis (need to be able to lock quickly) So to be able to do all what you are saying and not lose your Expensive (tankless) ECM ship, you need to train a bunch of skills to fair levels otherwise you will not be very effective at it! So wake up Asuka, Training to be a powerful ECM pilot is very skill intensive and costs a lot to get to that level. All the ships got usefull bonuses and some ships got bonuses for 2 weapon systems!! An example? The Raven: bonus for cruise and torpedo. RAVEN Special Ability: 5% bonus to Cruise and Siege Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo Velocity per level. CM's are long range, Torps are short range. To be good at Missiles you need to get a few skills up: Guided Missile Precision Skill at precision missile homing. Proficiency at this skill increases the accuracy of a fired missile's exact point of impact, resulting in greater damage to small targets. 5% decreased factor of signature radius for light, heavy and cruise missile explosions per level of skill. NOT TORPS Missile Bombardment Basic operation of missile launcher systems. 2% Bonus to missile launcher rate of fire per skill level. Missile Projection Skill at boosting missile bay propulsion systems and manipulating guided missiles' jet engines. 10% bonus to all missiles' maximum velocity per level. Rapid Launch Proficiency at rapid missile launcher firing. 3% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire per level. I could go on and list them all, but my point is that again, it's skill heavy to be able to deal any real damage. Like I said Torps are Close range and slow, but deal large damage per hit. CM's deal medium damage per hit but are faster. You really need to adjust your ship fitting to use one or the other. Fitting a solid tank, a 20km warp scram and Torps is really hard to pull off on a Raven unless you have maxed out skills. Anyways... Try skilling for some of this shit and once you have it you will understand how much time and isk is needed to be good with it. ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns! Passive Drake For The Win
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.04 22:05:00 - [58] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 04/09/2008 22:05:43 Originally by: Lucai How about the torp raven for close range gankage, same dps as the popular Mega, but cap stable and not transversal dependant Forgetting that the Mega can apply near 100% of it's damage even to frigates in some cases, whereas a Torp Raven (particually with Rage torps) won't even fully damage a Commandship. Also that the Raven can't fit MWD, Disruptor, Web, Injector or the much-needed TP without completely sacrificing any sort of tank. Mega is versatile. Raven is specialised. Go figure Quote: Or the drake. Name one BC that can beat a solidly setup HAM drake 1on1. There is none. Myrmidon, Harbinger both fare decently against it. Yes the HAMDrake is powerful but as someone who flies it more than any other ship, I can say that it's far from unbeatable. - Infectious -
Lt Angus Caldari Lt Angus Corp	Posted - 2008.09.04 22:11:00 - [59] shhhhhh I like my i win race Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Obvious Troll	Posted - 2008.09.04 22:14:00 - [60] Originally by: Seeing EyeDog @ Op...obvious troll is obvious Actually, I can be fairly subtle sometimes. This is not one of those times.

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