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Bidermaier
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Posted - 2008.09.04 20:55:00 -
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Hi I am a relatively new EVE player. I am currently learning Mining Barge V. It is being a while since I bough my Retriever and it is about time to upgrade.
The obvious next step is the covetor, but... shouldnt I skip it since the Hulk is just 3 days ahead? What is the point of the covetor?
Thanks
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Nido Gentz
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Posted - 2008.09.04 20:59:00 -
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Yes most go straight to Hulk. Covetor is needed to by manufacturers to produce the Hulk.
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Arous Drephius
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.09.04 21:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Nido Gentz
Covetor is needed to by manufacturers to produce the Hulk.
This. Baby Covetors are born to be turned into Hulks.
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Caeli Maren
Gallente
Dark Canyon Corporation
Empire Research
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Posted - 2008.09.04 21:04:00 -
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If you are low-sec mining, some people prefer not to risk a t2 ship like the Hulk. Covetors are more fragile, but the insurance is better, they are cheaper, and mine almost as much as a Hulk.
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Cornchips
e X i l e
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Posted - 2008.09.04 22:26:00 -
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They used to be used A lot more back in the day when Hulks were 500 mil a piece. You would mine in your covetor untill you could afford that.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Do we have to start selling tinfoil hats in the EVE Store??
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Dennmoth Ferdier
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Posted - 2008.09.05 06:07:00 -
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if you mine in 0.0, the ratio between the cost of the ship and mining yield between them, leans towards the covetor. In english this means that it doesnt hurt as much to lose a covetor in everyday dangerous 0.0 life, but you mine well enough compared to the hulk. It's a lower risk ship for lowsec miners.
Also, although the cost of a hulk isn't huge, many people like myself prefer to get in to a covetor because it costs only 17-19 mil where hulk costs 90 mil but mines vastly more than a retriever.
Also, one benefit of owning a covetor beyond those mentioned above is, when you invest the 17 mil in it, you save that amount in the hulk price if you know a manufacturer, since in order to produce a hulk, you need a covetor as the base.
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Jacob Holland
Gallente
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.05 07:26:00 -
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If you're mining a lot then the Covetor will pay for itself in the three days it takes to train for the Hulk.
Subtract the ore you could mine in your Retriever and it's a little less clear cut but factor in the improved fittings (for MLU) and larger cargo and you could still come out up on the deal - plus you have basic fittings available to go straight onto the Hulk when you get one.
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Originally by: cordy
Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
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grokouik
Caldari
Scordite Mining Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.05 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Caeli Maren
If you are low-sec mining, some people prefer not to risk a t2 ship like the Hulk. Covetors are more fragile, but the insurance is better, they are cheaper, and mine almost as much as a Hulk.
This.
And add that some people used to like suicide-ganking hulks fo rstrip miners and salvage.
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Armat Farstrider
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Posted - 2008.09.05 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: grokouik
Originally by: Caeli Maren
If you are low-sec mining, some people prefer not to risk a t2 ship like the Hulk. Covetors are more fragile, but the insurance is better, they are cheaper, and mine almost as much as a Hulk.
This.
And add that some people used to like suicide-ganking hulks fo rstrip miners and salvage.
But that's over now with the CONCORD changes. Highsec is now miner heaven. 0% risk. Lowsec or even 0.0 simply don't compare any more with the mineral prices being what they are. Why risk a hulk and set yourself back while you can have a steady isk/hour cashflow without ever having to worry about a ganker?
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.09.05 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Armat Farstrider
Originally by: grokouik
Originally by: Caeli Maren
If you are low-sec mining, some people prefer not to risk a t2 ship like the Hulk. Covetors are more fragile, but the insurance is better, they are cheaper, and mine almost as much as a Hulk.
This.
And add that some people used to like suicide-ganking hulks fo rstrip miners and salvage.
But that's over now with the CONCORD changes. Highsec is now miner heaven. 0% risk. Lowsec or even 0.0 simply don't compare any more with the mineral prices being what they are. Why risk a hulk and set yourself back while you can have a steady isk/hour cashflow without ever having to worry about a ganker?
Rubbish, go and try it on the test server, you can still suicide gank fine, it's just not profitable in all situations, it was never supposed to be a way of making isk, only of doing damage to people you want to do a damage for other reasons.
Of course lowsec was supposed to have a greater reason to go there, before the drone regions at least the lowsec ores were worth about 2x highsec ores.
Highsec was much safer a few years ago because the risk/reward/time spent meant it wasn't at all worth ganking 'for the money'. It still IS worth ganking to hurt someone or for the fun of it, as it always will be. And for highsec miners there's always can flipping, I have a friend who took down a mining brutix using an iteron MKV by can flipping him.... 
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Azitek
Alarius Elementum
Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.06 13:58:00 -
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A covetor is simply the stepping stone between the Retriever and Hulk for highsec miners. Buying one is completely worth it. You'll mine quite a bit more than with the Retriever, and once you have the isk for a Hulk, just sell the Covetor. You don't loose any money, consiter it an investment.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.09.06 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Armat Farstrider
But that's over now with the CONCORD changes. Highsec is now miner heaven. 0% risk. Lowsec or even 0.0 simply don't compare any more with the mineral prices being what they are. Why risk a hulk and set yourself back while you can have a steady isk/hour cashflow without ever having to worry about a ganker?
Woah, who called the Tinfoil Brigade? Back to General with you!
Besides suiciding was never really a danger to a well-prepared pilot - while you can't keep them from suiciding you you can make the Hulk in the next belt a much more attractive target just fitting an extender and a nice flashy invuln field (shield resistance rigs are cheap and don't hurt either).
From my own experience coveters are mostly used for risky nullsec mining ops - since they're T1 the hull is next to free after insurance so, except for the fittings, which are pretty cheap when all is said and done - ABC nullsec ores are worth about nine times what Empire ores are, easily worth the investment and the hassle of shipping the ores / mins back.
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MontyPython
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Posted - 2008.09.06 17:04:00 -
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Well covetors are pretty much obsolete nowadays, just a short stepping stone for the miner to a hulk nothing more. They used to be good when hulks were not in game but thats kind of obvious.
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Dariah Stardweller
Insidious Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.06 19:22:00 -
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I skipped it, at least, I didn't buy one but flew one for a the couple of days it took me to get to a hulk, friend loaned me it.
Would I have bought it? Don'think so, hardly worth it with Hulk within reach.
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Marcus Xavier
Minmatar
Xavier Institute for Higher Learning
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Posted - 2008.09.06 21:51:00 -
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I keep a few packaged covetors around specifically for distant mining ops or mission mining. The last thing I would want to do is jump 10 or more systems with a rigged hulk.
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