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Planks Unjustified Ancients of MuMu	Posted - 2008.09.04 23:35:00 - [1] It is fundemental to eve that there is at least a small risk in everything you do be it mining, pve, hauling or even trading from within a station. In fact, when ambulation comes out you should be able to mug people who are afk in a station and steal some of their wallet or items. It could be based on a time thing .... if afk for 30 mins then you have a chance of stealing 5% of a wallet, if afk for 6 hours, your 'awareness' drops and people can mug you for 20% of your assets.
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2008.09.04 23:40:00 - [2] If you can pick pocket, I should be able to shoot you for it. Deal? Cool. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational"
Aramova Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.04 23:41:00 - [3] You're kidding right? You can steal my debit card all you want, without the pin you're not getting jack. Eve takes place where wallets don't have hard currency. As for risk, Concord has always been a punishment tool, not a prevention tool. However with insurance fraud the way it is, it's very easy to use a small number of battleships (dozen or so) and still come out with a nice profit. I think the goal is to make it where if you're going to really try to take out a capital ship in empire, you'll need to amass a major force and take a lot of losses. It's not safe, it's just not as easy to **** people. ________________________________
Planks Unjustified Ancients of MuMu	Posted - 2008.09.04 23:43:00 - [4] Originally by: Locke DieDrake If you can pick pocket, I should be able to shoot you for it. Deal? Cool. If you are AFK then we got a deal. How much isk you got?
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.09.04 23:47:00 - [5] I could be stuck in a time loop, and after a hundred years of living in highsec In an npc corp I will very likely still not have been killed by a player somehow unless I deliberately set myself up for it. Is that what counts as small risk in everything you do these days?
Hesod Adee Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.04 23:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Aramova You're kidding right? You can steal my debit card all you want, without the pin you're not getting jack. Eve takes place where wallets don't have hard currency. Exactly. Though stealing any items that the player is carrying would work, if there are any worth stealing.
Betty Vector	Posted - 2008.09.04 23:48:00 - [7] Originally by: 5pinDizzy I could be stuck in a time loop, and after a hundred years of living in highsec In an npc corp I will very likely still not have been killed by a player somehow unless I deliberately set myself up for it. Is that what counts as small risk in everything you do these days? This.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.09.04 23:54:00 - [8] If there's going to be anything pvp'ish about Ambulation, I don't think it should be anything directly character to character. Well... unless it's a bar fight and we can smash beer bottles jagged and shove them in peoples faces. tee hee Seriously though, I'd rather see it be a bit more indirect such as something Cyber Punk like where you patch into a data cable near the enemy corp hq and drop in a trojan that sniffs out data such as corp wallet transactions, completed contracts, that sort of junk. Done in such a way where it's a bit hit or miss like a cargo scan. That gives a few more opportunities to figure out strikes in logistical chains (done in space, not in ambulation environment) or what have you. I think people are probably right that the AVA sort of pvp, or anything that leans that direction like pickpocketing, is probably not really something for Eve. But if it takes a more William Gibson sort of style approach, or maybe bribing a station official sort of subterfuge, that's more fitting in the Eve theme. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.05 00:02:00 - [9] First level of combat PvP I'd like to see in Ambulation? Fighting Rings. Two fighters get in the ring, bets are taken and spectators sit by and watch, and they two fighters duke it out hand to hand. No death, no reason to explain how you can clone, great mechanism to test an early, hand-to-hand combat system that incorporates fist fighting, brawling, and mixed martial arts. And, it would fit very well in a Minmatar station, or maybe in the back of some Caldari joint. Next level? Bar-room brawls. Multiple characters with weapons of opportunities (bottles, chairs, etc). Keep growing and escalating until you grow into FPS with a rifle in hand, powered armor, zero-g physics, etc. I hope for a day when several million players play EvE, all in the same universe, and they can experience an FPS hand-to-hand or projectile weapon simulator, a joystick enabled atmospheric flight and armored ground vehicle simulator, or the mega-ton spaceship captain simulator we currently have. Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.09.05 00:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Planks It could be based on a time thing .... if afk for 30 mins then you have a chance of stealing 5% of a wallet, if afk for 6 hours, your 'awareness' drops and people can mug you for 20% of your assets. So standard proceedure before going AFK is to transfer everything to an alt. Other than increase the usage of alts, what is this moronic idea supposed to accomplish?
Lendwill	Posted - 2008.09.05 00:09:00 - [11] Originally by: 5pinDizzy I could be stuck in a time loop, and after a hundred years of living in highsec In an npc corp I will very likely still not have been killed by a player somehow unless I deliberately set myself up for it. Is that what counts as small risk in everything you do these days? You are exaggerating. Did you miss what Goonfleet was doing to the high-sec miners?
Novemb3r Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.05 00:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Lendwill Originally by: 5pinDizzy I could be stuck in a time loop, and after a hundred years of living in highsec In an npc corp I will very likely still not have been killed by a player somehow unless I deliberately set myself up for it. Is that what counts as small risk in everything you do these days? You are exaggerating. Did you miss what Goonfleet was doing to the high-sec miners? It's still a very small risk. Compare the number of high sec miners killed to the number of high sec dwellers. Risk is so small that it's effectively nil as long as you take a couple of simple precautions. -
Hesod Adee Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.05 00:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Lendwill Originally by: 5pinDizzy I could be stuck in a time loop, and after a hundred years of living in highsec In an npc corp I will very likely still not have been killed by a player somehow unless I deliberately set myself up for it. Is that what counts as small risk in everything you do these days? You are exaggerating. Did you miss what Goonfleet was doing to the high-sec miners? I had a look through a few of the kills they posted. The strongest tank I saw on one was a ship with 2 civilian shield boosters. Now I don't know anything about mining barge builds, but it seems that they didn't catch anyone who put a serious tank on it.
Lendwill	Posted - 2008.09.05 00:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Hesod Adee I had a look through a few of the kills they posted. The strongest tank I saw on one was a ship with 2 civilian shield boosters. Now I don't know anything about mining barge builds, but it seems that they didn't catch anyone who put a serious tank on it. Perhaps someone from Goonfleet could verify if they killed someone with a stronger tank. In any case, my point was that a high-sec player is at greater risk than 5pinDizzy was suggesting. My character has about 6 months of playtime behind him, and in that time he has been put into structure twice in high-sec by other players who were then concorded. I certainly wasn't "deliberately set(ting) myself up for it."
murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.09.05 00:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Planks It could be based on a time thing .... if afk for 30 mins then you have a chance of stealing 5% of a wallet, if afk for 6 hours, your 'awareness' drops and people can mug you for 20% of your assets. I must be tired or something, because when I read that last part, I literally LOLed. Dood, you're hilarious. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari Wyverns of Dionysus Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.05 01:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Ruze First level of combat PvP I'd like to see in Ambulation? Fighting Rings. Two fighters get in the ring, bets are taken and spectators sit by and watch, and they two fighters duke it out hand to hand. No death, no reason to explain how you can clone, great mechanism to test an early, hand-to-hand combat system that incorporates fist fighting, brawling, and mixed martial arts. And, it would fit very well in a Minmatar station, or maybe in the back of some Caldari joint. Next level? Bar-room brawls. Multiple characters with weapons of opportunities (bottles, chairs, etc). Keep growing and escalating until you grow into FPS with a rifle in hand, powered armor, zero-g physics, etc. I hope for a day when several million players play EvE, all in the same universe, and they can experience an FPS hand-to-hand or projectile weapon simulator, a joystick enabled atmospheric flight and armored ground vehicle simulator, or the mega-ton spaceship captain simulator we currently have. /eve Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2008.09.05 01:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Planks It is fundemental to eve that there is at least a small risk in everything you do be it mining, pve, hauling or even trading from within a station. In fact, when ambulation comes out you should be able to mug people who are afk in a station and steal some of their wallet or items. It could be based on a time thing .... if afk for 30 mins then you have a chance of stealing 5% of a wallet, if afk for 6 hours, your 'awareness' drops and people can mug you for 20% of your assets. Ok. But if I'm just pretending to be AFK I can then whip out a powered chainsaw and chase you around the station. M'kay? One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Hieronimus Rex Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.09.05 01:35:00 - [18] Definitely going to make/buy the corp with the [AFK] ticker symbol.
Athre Minmatar The Higher Standard	Posted - 2008.09.05 01:39:00 - [19] Edited by: Athre on 05/09/2008 01:40:03 Originally by: Planks It is fundemental to eve that there is at least a small risk in everything you do be it mining, pve, hauling or even trading from within a station. In fact, when ambulation comes out you should be able to mug people who are afk in a station and steal some of their wallet or items. It could be based on a time thing .... if afk for 30 mins then you have a chance of stealing 5% of a wallet, if afk for 6 hours, your 'awareness' drops and people can mug you for 20% of your assets. I'm sorry I thought I was playing an MMO that involved space ships, interstellar travel and celestial objects. Not Ganks R US
Hieronimus Rex Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.09.05 01:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Athre Edited by: Athre on 05/09/2008 01:40:03 Originally by: Planks It is fundemental to eve that there is at least a small risk in everything you do be it mining, pve, hauling or even trading from within a station. In fact, when ambulation comes out you should be able to mug people who are afk in a station and steal some of their wallet or items. It could be based on a time thing .... if afk for 30 mins then you have a chance of stealing 5% of a wallet, if afk for 6 hours, your 'awareness' drops and people can mug you for 20% of your assets. I'm sorry I thought I was playing an MMO that involved space ships, interstellar travel and celestial objects. Not Ganks R US No you're playing spreadsheets online
Gimpb Sturmgrenadier Inc Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.09.05 01:57:00 - [21] Edited by: Gimpb on 05/09/2008 01:58:59 Honestly, the only high sec risk that can't be made negligible with a few precautions is a war dec, which can be worked around... and you have 24 hours warning so getting shot is no surprise. It's not a bad thing that people have to take some precautions to stay safe. It's not like the people targeted by suicide ganking are newbies, they're people with considerable assets.
ThoRHammer6213 Gallente MINER's GUILD INC	Posted - 2008.09.05 02:06:00 - [22] If high sec became a total safe zone then the pirates and other evil doers would in a sense be put out of business, that's why threads like this are created. This is basically a whine fest by people who make a living in EVE by basically raping, and violating other people. I use the word "**" because in many ways that is what it is. You guys want to violate people, and abuse them, and steal their stuff. You don't want there to be any safe zones out of reach of your abusive behaviors. You are all basically evil. You are all the same sort of people that makes things difficult for others when earthquakes or floods hit a region. Raping, looting, killing... people who do this are nothing more than trash to be disposed of. I personally think EVE should have one place that Pirates are not allowed to go, and if they do they should be brutally punished and fined. I believe that outside of the safe zone, pirates should be allowed to attack people. If the player chooses to risk self for fortune then they should should also have to deal with the filthy pirates and their violative ways. Before and after the new patch all I've been reading is Pirates and other thugs moaning, whining, and ranting that they are being denied their right to violate and ** people, and how this is unfair, and EVE has some how gone soft. I think this is a load of rubbish, and many of you seriously need to go get therapy. You have to ask yourself at some point in the game "Why do like to violate other people?" I can almost bet none of you even know that you are doing anything wrong which in my book makes you scary, and deranged. "I shall Dispense No MercY"
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.09.05 02:08:00 - [23] You all forget the risk of being born stupid.... -------- Ideas for: Mining
Taedrin Gallente 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.09.05 02:51:00 - [24] Originally by: ThoRHammer6213 I can almost bet none of you even know that you are doing anything wrong which in my book makes you scary, and deranged. In their defense, it IS just a game. Just because someone is an evil pirate in a video game doesn't mean that they serial killers in real life. On the other hand, though, just because it's a video game doesn't change the fact that they derive enjoyment from another player's misery, even if that misery is over internet space ship pixels. So while I wouldn't go so far as to say that these people are "deranged", they definitely aren't purely compassionate individuals (though I suppose one could argue that they are simply trying to teach people the cold hard facts about life in EVE...)
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2008.09.05 05:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: ThoRHammer6213 I can almost bet none of you even know that you are doing anything wrong which in my book makes you scary, and deranged. In their defense, it IS just a game. Just because someone is an evil pirate in a video game doesn't mean that they serial killers in real life. On the other hand, though, just because it's a video game doesn't change the fact that they derive enjoyment from another player's misery, even if that misery is over internet space ship pixels. So while I wouldn't go so far as to say that these people are "deranged", they definitely aren't purely compassionate individuals (though I suppose one could argue that they are simply trying to teach people the cold hard facts about life in EVE...) It's a PvP game. There is more to PvP in Eve than combat, but still, shooting at other players is a big part of the game. Would you consider people who shoot other people in the head in a online FPS to not be compassionate? What about people who beat other people at chess? Are they deranged for wanting to beat their opponent? Those are competitive games, where the goal is to beat other players, much like Eve. Eve just has more ways to compete against other players than headshotting them or checkmating their king (the market, for instance). Anyone who thinks pirates and the like are "deranged" takes this game way too seriously and may possibly have some mental or emotional issues of their own.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.05 05:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Planks It is fundemental to eve that there is at least a small risk in everything you do be it mining, pve, hauling or even trading from within a station. In fact, when ambulation comes out you should be able to mug people who are afk in a station and steal some of their wallet or items. It could be based on a time thing .... if afk for 30 mins then you have a chance of stealing 5% of a wallet, if afk for 6 hours, your 'awareness' drops and people can mug you for 20% of your assets. This argument has been made, and lost. CCP have made their decision. Grayscale confirmed it. The technical possibility of non consensual PvP will remain in hi-sec, but not the reality. The major risk in hi-sec will soon be merely for newer players who accidentally get themselves CONCORDED. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.05 05:22:00 - [27] Originally by: ThoRHammer6213 If high sec became a total safe zone then the pirates and other evil doers would in a sense be put out of business, that's why threads like this are created. This is basically a whine fest by people who make a living in EVE by basically raping, and violating other people. I use the word "**" because in many ways that is what it is. You guys want to violate people, and abuse them, and steal their stuff. You don't want there to be any safe zones out of reach of your abusive behaviors. You are all basically evil. You are all the same sort of people that makes things difficult for others when earthquakes or floods hit a region. Raping, looting, killing... people who do this are nothing more than trash to be disposed of. I personally think EVE should have one place that Pirates are not allowed to go, and if they do they should be brutally punished and fined. I believe that outside of the safe zone, pirates should be allowed to attack people. If the player chooses to risk self for fortune then they should should also have to deal with the filthy pirates and their violative ways. Before and after the new patch all I've been reading is Pirates and other thugs moaning, whining, and ranting that they are being denied their right to violate and ** people, and how this is unfair, and EVE has some how gone soft. I think this is a load of rubbish, and many of you seriously need to go get therapy. You have to ask yourself at some point in the game "Why do like to violate other people?" I can almost bet none of you even know that you are doing anything wrong which in my book makes you scary, and deranged. Don't forget to mention that pirates are all friendless basement dwellers who were abused as children and/or bullied at school. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Shagrath Neptune Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.09.05 05:32:00 - [28] btw Malc, aren't you the one who makes 25 million an hour on those missions? How much did you make today?
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.05 05:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Shagrath Neptune Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Shagrath Neptune Edited by: Shagrath Neptune on 05/09/2008 05:27:15 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: ThoRHammer6213 If high sec became a total safe zone then the pirates and other evil doers would in a sense be put out of business, that's why threads like this are created. This is basically a whine fest by people who make a living in EVE by basically raping, and violating other people. I use the word "**" because in many ways that is what it is. You guys want to violate people, and abuse them, and steal their stuff. You don't want there to be any safe zones out of reach of your abusive behaviors. You are all basically evil. You are all the same sort of people that makes things difficult for others when earthquakes or floods hit a region. Raping, looting, killing... people who do this are nothing more than trash to be disposed of. I personally think EVE should have one place that Pirates are not allowed to go, and if they do they should be brutally punished and fined. I believe that outside of the safe zone, pirates should be allowed to attack people. If the player chooses to risk self for fortune then they should should also have to deal with the filthy pirates and their violative ways. Before and after the new patch all I've been reading is Pirates and other thugs moaning, whining, and ranting that they are being denied their right to violate and ** people, and how this is unfair, and EVE has some how gone soft. I think this is a load of rubbish, and many of you seriously need to go get therapy. You have to ask yourself at some point in the game "Why do like to violate other people?" I can almost bet none of you even know that you are doing anything wrong which in my book makes you scary, and deranged. Don't forget to mention that pirates are all friendless basement dwellers who were abused as children and/or bullied at school. Pirates, high sec Suicide gankers, pvpers, low sec types ect are all fine. It is these emo types that do nothing but post here and cry 80 times a day that deserve ridicule. Let me show you on the doll where I was touched. You have a fear of Santa clause too...don't you? He made me do things. he said I would be a bad boy if I didn't CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.05 05:33:00 - [30] Originally by: ThoRHammer6213 If high sec became a total safe zone then the pirates and other evil doers would in a sense be put out of business, that's why threads like this are created. This is basically a whine fest by people who make a living in EVE by basically raping, and violating other people. I use the word "**" because in many ways that is what it is. You guys want to violate people, and abuse them, and steal their stuff. You don't want there to be any safe zones out of reach of your abusive behaviors. You are all basically evil. You are all the same sort of people that makes things difficult for others when earthquakes or floods hit a region. Raping, looting, killing... people who do this are nothing more than trash to be disposed of. I personally think EVE should have one place that Pirates are not allowed to go, and if they do they should be brutally punished and fined. I believe that outside of the safe zone, pirates should be allowed to attack people. If the player chooses to risk self for fortune then they should should also have to deal with the filthy pirates and their violative ways. Before and after the new patch all I've been reading is Pirates and other thugs moaning, whining, and ranting that they are being denied their right to violate and ** people, and how this is unfair, and EVE has some how gone soft. I think this is a load of rubbish, and many of you seriously need to go get therapy. You have to ask yourself at some point in the game "Why do like to violate other people?" I can almost bet none of you even know that you are doing anything wrong which in my book makes you scary, and deranged. Yeah, this is totally what I am. I'm a total bastard, I am. In real life, I eat kittens for lunch, too! -------- EVE - The only non-consensual PvP MMORPG* *Note: does not contain non-consensual PvP as of 8/3/2008

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