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Ah yes, Ground Hog's day for Rells, it seems for the many years in a row he has again seen his shadow.

Now THAT is witty. :)

... Don't take my word for it...

they started adding stuff for the non-pvper.

There still is no way to create player made empire

Well since quitting the game three years ago, I come back for a month every year or so to see what is going on in the game. I log on and see improved graphics and clients but alas I also see things that haven't changed. I end up playing off and on for a month and then quitting the game again. Now I realize I am probably wasting my time and the devs probably doesn't care but I will say why for the third year I am not renewing again.

Back in 2004 CCP had a game that was dedicated to PVP warfare and it was grand but then they started adding stuff for the non-pvper. And they kept adding and adding and in the process nerving 0.0. Many of us warned this would have a disastrous effect on the intended gameplay focused on player organizations. We ware all flamed like burgers on the 4th of july. Of course it happened. When concord was put in to protect non-pvpers, CCP assured us they would be defeat able and wouldn't become invincible as we warned. We were told to shut up again and flamed again. When they added megacyte to empire space, we warned of the disastrous economic effects to 0.0 economies and we were flamed and told there were only trace amounts and that we were full of it. When they introduced level 4 missions we warned they were pushing all financial incentives to empire and were again flamed to hell. We complained that other than a couple of areas most of 0.0 was now worthless. We were told to shut up.

In the meantime we asked for things. The ability to secure our empires with gate guns and implement real border warfare. We asked for the sovereignty system to focus on border, not jumping 500 capitals into the main heart of the player empire. We asked for low sec to be declared a disaster area (as it always was) and just added to 0.0. We asked for many things to assist players in making their own game.

Some 8 years later all of the bad predictions have come to pass and none of the requests have ben granted. Over the last two weeks I have flown through deserted 0.0 space where the only time you see anyone is occasionally in passing and the deeper you get in 0.0, the more the population density looks like upper siberia. There still is no way to create player made empire, sovereignty management is still a joke and 99% of the population is in empire. Don't take my word for it, log on and pull a star map. I just logged off when there are 43k people online and 99% ofthem are in empire. Empire is a bright star of population and 0.0 is all but deserted. Some people camp the entry gates but otherwise it is largely empty. Once you are past the high sec and low sec chokes you can fly for hours without seeing a soul.

What's more it that nearly 10 years after the start of the game players still can't secure their empires against marauders and form real communities and nearly everyone in the game makes their money in high sec lucrative pursuits and trays 0.0 like a glorified arena. Its very sad and depressing given what it could have been. I still think of the player made content that could have insued from this game and shake my head sadly.

In short, Eve has become a care bear game. I used to make fun of people that played WoW but at least that game has stayed true to its vision, a game with corporation generated content and only a fleeting nod to player content. Eve still says it is sandbox on the front page but its a well regulated, tightly controlled sand box with concord over each child's shoulder ensuring they don't play dodgeball because someone might get hurt. There is almost no incentive to take risks, to move into high sec.

CCP might as well get it over with and keep a couple of 0.0 regions as arenas and make the rest of the game high sec. Say the jovians finally invaded the galaxy and get it over with. Since CCP has been making the game slowly a care bear game for years, they might as well get it over with.

This is the last year I will be back and trying it out. It is a lost cause and that, strangely, makes me sad. CCP, you started something wonderful and then let bean counters and hand wringers mess it up. Its too bad really.

Well since quitting the game three years ago, I come back for a month every year or so to see what is going on in the game. I log on and see improved graphics and clients but alas I also see things that haven't changed. I end up playing off and on for a month and then quitting the game again. Now I realize I am probably wasting my time and the devs probably doesn't care but I will say why for the third year I am not renewing again.

Back in 2004 CCP had a game that was dedicated to PVP warfare and it was grand but then they started adding stuff for the non-pvper. And they kept adding and adding and in the process nerving 0.0. Many of us warned this would have a disastrous effect on the intended gameplay focused on player organizations. We ware all flamed like burgers on the 4th of july. Of course it happened. When concord was put in to protect non-pvpers, CCP assured us they would be defeat able and wouldn't become invincible as we warned. We were told to shut up again and flamed again. When they added megacyte to empire space, we warned of the disastrous economic effects to 0.0 economies and we were flamed and told there were only trace amounts and that we were full of it. When they introduced level 4 missions we warned they were pushing all financial incentives to empire and were again flamed to hell. We complained that other than a couple of areas most of 0.0 was now worthless. We were told to shut up.

In the meantime we asked for things. The ability to secure our empires with gate guns and implement real border warfare. We asked for the sovereignty system to focus on border, not jumping 500 capitals into the main heart of the player empire. We asked for low sec to be declared a disaster area (as it always was) and just added to 0.0. We asked for many things to assist players in making their own game.

Some 8 years later all of the bad predictions have come to pass and none of the requests have ben granted. Over the last two weeks I have flown through deserted 0.0 space where the only time you see anyone is occasionally in passing and the deeper you get in 0.0, the more the population density looks like upper siberia. There still is no way to create player made empire, sovereignty management is still a joke and 99% of the population is in empire. Don't take my word for it, log on and pull a star map. I just logged off when there are 43k people online and 99% ofthem are in empire. Empire is a bright star of population and 0.0 is all but deserted. Some people camp the entry gates but otherwise it is largely empty. Once you are past the high sec and low sec chokes you can fly for hours without seeing a soul.

What's more it that nearly 10 years after the start of the game players still can't secure their empires against marauders and form real communities and nearly everyone in the game makes their money in high sec lucrative pursuits and trays 0.0 like a glorified arena. Its very sad and depressing given what it could have been. I still think of the player made content that could have insued from this game and shake my head sadly.

In short, Eve has become a care bear game. I used to make fun of people that played WoW but at least that game has stayed true to its vision, a game with corporation generated content and only a fleeting nod to player content. Eve still says it is sandbox on the front page but its a well regulated, tightly controlled sand box with concord over each child's shoulder ensuring they don't play dodgeball because someone might get hurt. There is almost no incentive to take risks, to move into high sec.

CCP might as well get it over with and keep a couple of 0.0 regions as arenas and make the rest of the game high sec. Say the jovians finally invaded the galaxy and get it over with. Since CCP has been making the game slowly a care bear game for years, they might as well get it over with.

This is the last year I will be back and trying it out. It is a lost cause and that, strangely, makes me sad. CCP, you started something wonderful and then let bean counters and hand wringers mess it up. Its too bad really.

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Game doesn't cater to me, I don't like it so neither should you.

So how the **** did you get money and ships? Your story sounds like a load of **** to me.

I don't think I've ever seen my feelings on the game summed up so eloquently.

Nice post.

First of, please don't say 'we' because I certainly didnt ask for some of the things you did.

However, what I would like to point out to you, is that Eve isnt built on teh rules of Eve Online, or even by its environment, it is built by its people. If you were to find a fantastic bunch of people to play with, you wouldnt worry so much about the problems you see in the game. Eve does have many many problems, some glaringly horrible parts and there are some truly idiotic players. However, if you find a very good corp who love to fly together and have fun in this game, then you would stay anyway.

If Sons Of 0din wasn't the corp it is, I doubt very much I would be playing today. Find yourself a decent corp (or build one) and you will find your reason to stay subbed.

Oh and "we" does not include you. It is a first person plural pronoun but not a ubiquitous one.

I built what I think is the best corp in the game. Still they kick ass. Agony Unleashed has done more for this game than most corporations. That doesn't change the fact that CCP has boiled the proverbial frog and has you all playing world of warcraft now.

Don't you have a level 4 mission to do? Some loyalty points to gain? Perhaps a hauler load of minerals to fuel your grind station?

Hamsters never realize they are on the wheel.

"Eve Online changed, man. Eve Online used to be cool. What happened, man?" - Rells

"I'm still cool..." -Eve Online

Oh and "we" does not include you. It is a first person plural pronoun but not a ubiquitous one.

I built what I think is the best corp in the game. Still they kick ass. Agony Unleashed has done more for this game than most corporations. That doesn't change the fact that CCP has boiled the proverbial frog and has you all playing world of warcraft now.

Don't you have a level 4 mission to do? Some loyalty points to gain? Perhaps a hauler load of minerals to fuel your grind station?

Hamsters never realize they are on the wheel.

That didn't even make any sense.

*shakes head sadly*

Even the quality of flaming has gone down hill in this game. I used to engage in a little forum php with people that had the brains to argue effectively. Now look at that pathetic excuse for a flame? Looks like a nearly depleted bic lighter. Pathetic really.

You're looking to the wrong girl for a flame then. I was simply making a joke based on your insistence that Eve Online has changed.

A little witty repartee shouldn't be too much to ask for.

I have nothing vested in this except 15 bucks. I don't care if you like or dislike me but if you are going to try and make a joke at my expense please at least make it interesting, intelligent and hopefully funny.

And eve online has changed radically. It is now WOW in space. Hell, it even has an "EPIC mission" panel. Are you serious? Even now has Epic quests?

Oh and as to your corp name, out of curiosity have you even been to outer ring ? Or did you just see it on some eve lore and think it would be a cool name? Outer ring is a worthless wasteland of space. Crappy minerals, crappy stations, crappy rats. Just general garbage.

*shrug*

Yeah, I've been there. It is pretty damn awful. I was just tring to think of a good corp name that would also incorporate shipping and a semi-funny acronym. I do market pvp.

And does this not help you see the validity of my original post?

I dunno, he's got some good points. Concord is fine but the rest of his points make sense:

-Level 4 missions pay out too much compared to low/null. No incentive to leave high sec
-Sov warfare reduced to massive blobs in one system
-No goals for small gangs
-Most 0.0 is empty/unused

For the past year the game has gotten a lot more carebear with the incursion/incarna expansions but those met with such disastrous effects that CCP is working towards making it more fun and pvp oriented again.

The thing is it is just insanely hard to get any sort of feedback to CCP. You'd think with the CSM it'd be easier to get even small bugs/issues fixed but it seems to be exactly the opposite.

Sometimes it feels like the lead CCP devs/gms/whatever have never played the game. I think that if the devs played Eve for 4 hours a day as their job then all small bugs/issues would be gone within 30 days and the game would be perfect within 6 months.