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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.06.11 12:47:00 -
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I know this isn't the usual " we pwn j0o" post but lets be honest probably only the biggest corps will be able to really take advantage of the upcoming POS's.
The issue is will any of the biggest corps be able to protect them. They say they can have the ability to defend themselves but let's be honest, players will always find a way around environmental defenses. The only real defense will be pilots in ships.
We also know that destroying the new structures is going to be the goal of several corps not to mention war enemies.
Do any corps believe they have the ability to protect a POS 23/7?
Please keep all your damn war flaming to yourself whoever you are.
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2004.06.11 12:51:00 -
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What you will find Maud, is come Shiva, many corporations will merge, as will alliances, there may be three or four player empires in 0.0 space after Shiva. Protecting and maintaining P.O.S will be costly in resources and manpower, even for some of the largest corps so I don't think many will try do it alone. 
And of course, with claims of territory comes conflict which will be fun! (Anyone keen on recording the history of eve from May 105 to now please contact me ingame.)
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belzebub1
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Posted - 2004.06.11 12:52:00 -
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The posts on the shiva page should answer your questions. Kireon has posted a few comments there http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=channel&channelID=84755

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Gafton
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Posted - 2004.06.11 13:29:00 -
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Depending on cost, availablility and defence, it may be more cost effective to not use the new structures. No point putting time and money into something that can be taken out in an hour. It will all depend on if the structures have enough defence and firepower to repel a force, or at least slow one down.
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Harkan Ramientes
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Posted - 2004.06.11 13:49:00 -
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I could name some corporations able to defend a POS 23/7 with some success, but I think it'll depend much upon the advantages POS will bring to their owners, since binding pilots to a single point in space, in a sentinel duty is no easy task, after initial enthusiasm
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.06.11 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Bobby Wilson on 11/06/2004 15:33:07 K, having read the current material, I'd have to say "um, I'm not sure".
It looks like they can be crippled, stolen or destroyed, and since they're only anchorable at moons they won't be hard to find Glad they're going to be "not too expensive" (whatever that means). The initial cost will prolly decide if I wanna be an early adopter.
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.06.11 14:06:00 -
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Did you read the posts about the pos by kieron and oveur at all ?
They wont be destroyable inside of any one day as long as they have a stock of consumables. Therefor your point i null.
Essentially, wether or not they get destoyed once in a while wont even matter. Building them is nto expensive, and hey earn their upkeep themselves. So if you save 8 jumps of hauling ark around by building one my guess is one day of survival will make it worth it already.
So no, 23/7 protection isnt needed as losing them isnt that bad if you use them intensively and can keep them supplied on a daily basis.
we'll jsut have to see, I still think alliances will grow in numbers and lose territory tho. _______________________________________________
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.06.11 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bobby Wilson IMHO the first few will be tracked in their safe spots by skilled interceptor pilots or black ops frigates, and then destroyed by uuber long range BS set-ups while their owners are asleep or at work.
They are only anchorable at moons. Not safe spots, not planets, not belts, not suns. Least thats what the Shiva pages and the Devs said.
Black ops are not able to warp to something on the scanner as well, as I understand it. I've never once seen a Dev state that. Hopefully sometime Soon(tm) they will be able to though.
I do remember someone stating that POS's will be cheap enough for them to be buyable/buildable by most people/corps. Its the resources the POS needs to operate that make it expensive, not the initial investment cost.
Also curious to see if a POS shows up on the scanner. It'd be nice if they didn't but I don't think thats going to happen 
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.06.11 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 11/06/2004 14:14:04 Oh , and btw, what's up with all the muad dibs, mu'ad bibs, muad' d1b's and other lookalikes in this game ?
who is that guy for chrissakes, and did any of you get his name right anyway ?
Tho, I bet that if all you muads got together you could protect your pos(se) 23/7 without problems  _______________________________________________
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.06.11 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 11/06/2004 14:14:04 Oh , and btw, what's up with all the muad dibs, mu'ad bibs, muad' d1b's and other lookalikes in this game ?
who is that guy for chrissakes, and did any of you get his name right anyway ?
Tho, I bet that if all you muads got together you could protect your pos(se) 23/7 without problems 
Desert Rat 
I guess you've never seen/read Dune? Maud Dib is the name given to the main char in it
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.06.11 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Nafri on 11/06/2004 15:48:58 you cant kill POS sooo ******* boring
ahh well you "can" kill them, but its going to be very tough with some strange recunstruciton time
sounds boring imo Wanna fly with me?
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.06.11 15:43:00 -
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I must admit, I cant wait for these new structures, bases etc to come out, we will have a reason to blow crap out of stuff for once Sass Arcane Technologies |

Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.06.11 15:45:00 -
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i think i have mad cow disease
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.06.11 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jadrut i think i have mad cow disease
I think you might be right.... Sass Arcane Technologies |

Double G
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Posted - 2004.06.11 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jadrut i think i have mad cow disease
Thanks Jadrut for your usual response.
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.06.11 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Double G
Originally by: Jadrut i think i have mad cow disease
Thanks Jadrut for your usual response.
Np anytime
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.06.11 17:49:00 -
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Hmmm,
Do all systems have moons?
(can't really check now, but if they're only anchorable there...)
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Lord Draco
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Posted - 2004.06.11 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jadrut i think i have mad cow disease
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crice
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Posted - 2004.06.11 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Draco
Originally by: Jadrut i think i have mad cow disease
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Thank you. Agree.
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Koda
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Posted - 2004.06.11 19:01:00 -
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In the past, the devs have stated that it will be up to the players to defend POS's and suggested players forming groups across time zones to cover them 23/7.
If alliances don't form around them, I could at least see station "timeshares" where a corporation is given a station office in exchange for defending it certain hours of the day.
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MinTol
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Posted - 2004.06.11 19:20:00 -
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player owned sentry guns? :).. use them to protect player owned stations and stuff
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OverKill
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Posted - 2004.06.11 20:47:00 -
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I concure with many of the statements in this thread.
It will be VERY difficult, if not impossible, to mount credible defenses 23/7 as that would eliminate most Corporations ability to advance by production, mining, pirating whatever.
I do know however that several Corporations have tabled ideas about mergers. HDY has been approached by 2 moderately sized / long term Corporations, who have thought about joining (they approached us surprisingly) together under the HDY banner.
If it can happen to us then I imagine it is happening several other places within the world of EVE.
Come Shiva we might be roughly 190% bigger than we are now. This should afford us a decent amount of leeway for deployment of defense forces.
Regards, OK
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Issaqua
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Posted - 2004.06.12 02:59:00 -
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In the lil' animation it says "note no player docks he just tows em blah", which leads me to believe you'll be able to station a fleet, and interbus across from wherever you are to defend it.
And when large warp disruptors and sentries come in, it's going to be far, far easier to guard chokepoints and therefore cover your regions.
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