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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:07:00 -
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Seeing as he'd just heard the bad news that all his powerbloc's moon goo faucets were getting turned off and in the future goonswarm federation is doomed either to a) obscurity or b) becoming the biggest mining alliance in eve. I feel the poor chap can be allowed a few moments of (albeit televised) drowning sorrows to wallow in the ironic straits he'd found himself. The "king of space" had gotten roped into reporting to the findings of the people's revolutionary committe and needing to put a massive spin on last years hisec ice interdictors all needing to train barges on their 2nd accounts and become targets for roving gangs in nullsec.
You have to laugh.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:12:00 -
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Ivana Twinkle wrote:The presentation could have been a lot funnier. The reactions on the forums afterwards couldn't.
I liked the scottish guy with the singing ransoms and the earlier wormhole guy was pretty funny too.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:18:00 -
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Karadion wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Seeing as he'd just heard the bad news that all his powerbloc's moon goo faucets were getting turned off and in the future goonswarm federation is doomed either to a) obscurity or b) becoming the biggest mining alliance in eve. I feel the poor chap can be allowed a few moments of (albeit televised) drowning sorrows to wallow in the ironic straits he'd found himself. The "king of space" had gotten roped into reporting to the findings of the people's revolutionary committe and needing to put a massive spin on last years hisec ice interdictors all needing to train barges on their 2nd accounts and become targets for roving gangs in nullsec.
You have to laugh.
FYI, we are the biggest proponent of nerfing tech moons.
All moons really baby. But tbh, I don't care who promotes it just as long as it gets done. Nuking that crap and turning it into a profession where real players sit in belts and take a genuine risk to make the income (while providing targets to roaming gangs) is the best change out of ccp in literally years. My paragraph above can be seen as satire if you like - as long as this still happens I'm cool with it.
I will mention that when this was suggested during CSM1 (by me and others) the then Goonswarm leader Darius Johnson went red in the face and blustered for about 20 minutes about how it would be the doom of eve and the sky would fall and it was completely insane to consider damaging the stablity (passive income aristocracy) of eve in this way.
So if Mittens genuinely is different to Darius in this way then good on him and maybe he was drinking from happiness afterall. I look forward to seeing him in his barge mining tech in nullsec and getting owned by 3 guys in bombers.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:29:00 -
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Karadion wrote:... But you're talking about CSM1 which was almost 6 YEARS ago which is irrelevant to today's current state of the game. And we're not going to be mining nor are we depending on tech moons now to provide our isk faucet. We can thank PI and our dedicated ratters for bringing in most of the taxes per month. Unlike Team Tech which they depend badly on tech moons to supply most of their isks (see Tenal, no ratters there or significant activities but all tech moons)
Well either which way its a good change and if you guys are on board with it excellent. Hopefully means we'll see the proposal fly through development with nobody stamping their feet and huffing and puffing on the csm - if it turns out I'm mistaken in believing some delegates will oppose it then I'll be very happy indeed to be proven wrong.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:23:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:what i don't understand is why the people in the room just ignored that idiot. The simplest and with fewest effort connected what you can do is to leave the room.
I suspect because they were mostly goon(goon pets) who idolize mittani and think he can do no wrong ...
(But its just a guess :)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:28:00 -
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Andski wrote:jade constantine: irrelevant since ever
Hey I thought you were supposed to type "post with your main"
Get back to the script posting drone!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:32:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Steelshine wrote:Well I guess if you guys don't like the Mittani you should probably just get 11,000 people to vote for someone you agree with i don,t think the votes Mittens got alts or real accounts matter much now. He lost face ,but the worst part of it CCP and EVE loose face also If the important game media gets hold of this ,they won,t cover a great fanfest but something else ^ this. The media won't go for how awesome the future vision of Eve is, they go for the guy who called for a guy's suicide.
Thats the annoying thing about this really. Fanfest was really excellent this year - I think most people have a huge buzz about the game going in the right direction again and thats what we should be reading about in the gaming press. Its a shame to see the focus on a bizzare ubernerd voted into office by 10,000 sycophantic internet frat boys because he couldn't hold his beer and acted like a tosspot on stage.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:46:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Xython wrote:Ok, so lets recap:
* Mittani gets in with the biggest Mandate in CSM history. (Deal with it.) * The pubbies **** themselves in impotant rage. The Meme about "Goons only voting for Mittani" won't work cause he has 4000 more votes than there are Goons in the game, so obviously the morons will need something else... * Some made up controversy about Mittani mocking some botting reject hits the airwaves * ... That'll work: "ZOMG GOONIES ARE BAD! BAD BAD BAD!!"
Protip: If you say "I'm going to kill myself," it means you're not going to kill yourself, you're trolling for attention. People who do commit suicide do not engage in bilateral communication immediately beforehand. Doing so is a sign of attention whoring, not suicide.
What we had is some fat afk botting pubbie running, what, 22 bots at once? And Goons announced they would kill him, and then killed him (which he didn't notice cause he was afk botting), which is a good thing -- because bots are literally killing EVE. Upon getting his ass gently placed upon his head like a hat by the Goons, he tried to rant and guilttrip them as best he could.
All of what you have posted is fine. The problem is that as soon as the The Mittani stood up whilst being film at an official CCP Event, mocked and humiliated a person who possibly could been suicidal and then encourage others to do the same, the **** was always going to hit the fan. When CCP, their Partners and Investor's are seeing headlines like " CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player" - eurogamer.net " Eve Online Panel Encourages Harassing Suicidal Player" - The Escapist " CCP investigation into 'suicidal player jokes'" - Developer " CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying" - Massively Then then it becomes an issue outside of Eve Online. Not really. That is just that these sites post sensationalist crap without any investigating into the matter. If anything, CCP should act against these sites for spreading lies when the guy that Mittani mocked apparently isn't suicidal. Much less depressed.
Yeah they should probably muster the international e-lawyers and have those sites SHUT THE HELL DOWN because in criticising the Mittani they obviously hate america (and democracy) ((and too much beer))
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:51:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I'm suicidal because I say I am. If anyone says anything bad about me they should immediately be banned.
G¥ñG¥ñG¥ñ would you like a hug ? G¥ñG¥ñG¥ñ
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:57:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Alpheias wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Xython wrote:Ok, so lets recap:
* Mittani gets in with the biggest Mandate in CSM history. (Deal with it.) * The pubbies **** themselves in impotant rage. The Meme about "Goons only voting for Mittani" won't work cause he has 4000 more votes than there are Goons in the game, so obviously the morons will need something else... * Some made up controversy about Mittani mocking some botting reject hits the airwaves * ... That'll work: "ZOMG GOONIES ARE BAD! BAD BAD BAD!!"
Protip: If you say "I'm going to kill myself," it means you're not going to kill yourself, you're trolling for attention. People who do commit suicide do not engage in bilateral communication immediately beforehand. Doing so is a sign of attention whoring, not suicide.
What we had is some fat afk botting pubbie running, what, 22 bots at once? And Goons announced they would kill him, and then killed him (which he didn't notice cause he was afk botting), which is a good thing -- because bots are literally killing EVE. Upon getting his ass gently placed upon his head like a hat by the Goons, he tried to rant and guilttrip them as best he could.
All of what you have posted is fine. The problem is that as soon as the The Mittani stood up whilst being film at an official CCP Event, mocked and humiliated a person who possibly could been suicidal and then encourage others to do the same, the **** was always going to hit the fan. When CCP, their Partners and Investor's are seeing headlines like " CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player" - eurogamer.net " Eve Online Panel Encourages Harassing Suicidal Player" - The Escapist " CCP investigation into 'suicidal player jokes'" - Developer " CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying" - Massively Then then it becomes an issue outside of Eve Online. Not really. That is just that these sites post sensationalist crap without any investigating into the matter. If anything, CCP should act against these sites for spreading lies when the guy that Mittani mocked apparently isn't suicidal. Much less depressed. Yeah they should probably muster the international e-lawyers and have those sites SHUT THE HELL DOWN because in criticising the Mittani they obviously hate america (and democracy) ((and too much beer)) so the problem was too much beer? so i am oke with that. lets wait and see if anybody else outside this commumity is also ok with it
I should point out I'm not really saying his behaviour was "OK" because he was clearly drunk off his face. For whats its worth I think it was an embarrassing cringe-worthy nonsensical alliance panel (apart from the wormhole guy and the scottish ransom sing-a-long guy who both rocked) - But I do think it was pretty hilarious the post above me should suggest that CCP take "action" against gaming sites!
That said, Mittani is clearly an amateur as yet with this protest against his chairmanship business. When I was chair of CSM one I had 100 page threads full of goons calling for my resignation because I temp-muted an annoying woman in an internet chat channel. Until he reaches that level of noteriety he's still a pussycat.
Still, he probably should apologise because he did make eve players in general look pretty stupid which is a shame given the otherwise complete success that Fanfest was this year.
And regardless of all the "did he didn't he" (break the tos / eula whatever) it is significantly implied that when a person runs for CSM that they should be aware they are representing the community and should behave in a mature and adult way in public. I think its fair to summise that had the early CSM's have acted as poorly at fanfest as this guy did there probably wouldn't be a CSM in existence today.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:01:00 -
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Andski wrote:I move that Sandslinger is also investigated for humiliating real players by publicly playing recordings of them singing badly for ransoms.
No way that was brilliant!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:04:00 -
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Suicide Counsellor wrote:Do you ever feel like just giving up?
You guys lol.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:33:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I do not think after eight years of playing anyone can accuse me of not knowing what EVE is about and blahdeblahdeblah. I also have nothing whatsoever against people playing it hard in the game. Hell, I am not above confessing that one of my best memories of EVE are about pirates crying about how unfair it is that we choose to shoot them just because they shoot other people, which is a totally VALID playstyle and who are WE to ruin it for them by unfairly making them explode.  That said, as I have stated elsewhere, I find The Mittani's behavior in this incident completely unacceptable. This is not a case of one player playing it hard with another, this is a case of a chairman of a representative body of the community abusing that position to harass an individual member of said community. I am afraid if The Mittani is allowed to continue in the CSM, I will no longer consider it morally acceptable to give CCP my money. And yea, I am sure the Goonies don't need me to enjoy the game, as the gentleman couple of posts back points out. Do I care? No. If CCP rather makes this game for people who think that the behavior of The Mittani was just fine and acceptable, by all means. Let them; their call.
For what its worth Elsebeth I really hope it doesn't come to you leaving this game. And before any goons do the whole "lol whats one ex rp'er left matter" spiel - the reality is that a player like Elsebeth who helps build a unique and different alliance from most does matter in the grand of scheme of things because it helps define eve as a varied and thriving political landscape rather than a uniform (and abusive) playground full of silly children.
I personally think this issue could be resolved by Mittani making a full and honest apology for bringing the CSM into disrepute and I'd prefer that to seeing 10,000 voters (however misguided they might be) disenfranchised for the foolishness of their representative.
But where I do agree with you Elsebeth is that there is a line of behaviour that shouldn't be crossed in real life and at some point its neccessary to step back and realize behind everything we're all human beings playing a game together and the public mocking of somebody like the evidently vulnerable mining barge guy by the leader and representative of the CSM is simply not on. There is a responsibility one accepts when running for CSM to represent the game in a good light in public spotlight and drunkenly mocking some poor unfortunate on stage at Fanfest is not what the alliance panel is supposed to be about either.
Its crass, its childish, its frankly stupid.
And regardless of partizan internet nerdery I'd like to think that most of the goons are still perceptive enough to realize that it doesn't do the game any good to be seen as a cess pit for inhumane behaviour ooc on stage at the eve convention.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:02:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? Which part was unclear? The part where you think everybody who voted for him feels betrayed.
That isn't what she said. You are inferring that the voters have the good sense to feel betrayed whereas she is simply saying they were betrayed.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:26:00 -
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Orkasm wrote:Silas Kautsuo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned That's exactly what is happening in all of these threads. Harlot, do yourself a favour and just shut the hell up, you're defending a cretin who has no clue. You're trying way too hard and nobody really cares, he's shown his true colours, until now most of us could take or leave Mittens but now, he's proved he's not worthy of being on the CSM. You're pathetic attempts to defend this action aren't working, sorry and all that. Adapt or die. Who are you and why are you relevant?
What I don't understand is all this "are you relevant?" nonsense coming from members of the biggest submissive cult of internet sycophants in Eve online suddenly. Lets face it, being one of faceless herd of 10,000 personality cult followers of a chubby frat boy who can't hold his beer at fanfest hardly qualifies the cheerleaders with much "relevance" themselves!
Listen to yourselves spaceship piloting people! This is a game about space-warfare and exploring a fictional universe. Nobody is *that* relevant in the grand scheme of things - and unless you are the leader of a corporation/alliance or a big league fc arranging fights for other people you are less relevant than most.
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:32:00 -
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Ice Fist wrote: At least we know you are the least relevant of all, even in the irrelevant spaceship universe.
And who the heck are you? I've never heard of you.
Ice Fist wrote: Oh, and Mittens may not be able to hold his beer, but if you've ever met the guy, he certainly doesn't fit the description of 'chubby frat boy.'
Are you defending its e-waist-size now?
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:45:00 -
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Ice Fist wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Ice Fist wrote: At least we know you are the least relevant of all, even in the irrelevant spaceship universe.
And who the heck are you? I've never heard of you. Ice Fist wrote: Oh, and Mittens may not be able to hold his beer, but if you've ever met the guy, he certainly doesn't fit the description of 'chubby frat boy.' Are you defending its e-waist-size now? No, I'm pointing out how ******** your misinformed post about relevancy and 'lolMittani is fat' was you illiterate moron.
I said he was chubby. It doesn't mean quite the same as fat - though I appreciate such fine distinctions in girth might well fly right over the heads of the typical reactionary colonial like yourself.
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:53:00 -
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Hench Tenet wrote: Wow. Where do I even start? OK. Mittens doesn't look chubby to me.
Well I know these kind of fraternity groups often have quite different ideals of male beauty ... In some cultures a beer gut is considered an attractive trait. If he's the apple of your eye who am I to criticise?
Hench Tenet wrote: The goons are the least submissive people in the game.
Oh come on! 10,000 people walking lockstep in CTA posting formation in defense of a silly frat boy staggering around after a couple of bottles of weak icelandic beer? Thats pretty subsmissive behaviour. Goonswarm as an entity makes a virtue of dehumanising its membership and making them cogs in a greater machine in service to the hierachy. It operates successfully by the same principles of any religious cult really - stripping away notions of individuality and making those without remaining esteem better identify with the organization and its "great leader".
Its a submissive relationship between the drone and the hive queen, the cultist and the cult master. I can honestly say I've rarely met any goons with much independent personality (and only then) once they've generally got out of the organization altogether.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:01:00 -
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esc shk wrote: You're implying we had any form of instruction to shitpost
See thats the thing about cult programming old chap, once you've had your self-esteem removed alongside any notion of individual violition and personal responsibility its quite easy to condition your activities by simple hierarchy and peer pressure. You don't "need" instructions any more than a rat needs to be commanded to eat the cheese.
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:03:00 -
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Ice Fist wrote: Reactionary Colonial? I don't get it, is this supposed to be an insult to Americans? If so, lol, if not then I am just not smart enough to follow your advanced and subtle banter. I'm glad of that too, because it's not funny anyway. Dear god you just can't stand that I made your "nobody is relevant in internet spaceships" post and turned it to show that by your own logic you're irrelevant too even though you're one of the biggest attention whores in the game (second only to Mittens, but at least his motives are honest).
Whoa there cowboy!
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:06:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:esc shk wrote: You're implying we had any form of instruction to shitpost
See thats the thing about cult programming old chap, once you've had your self-esteem removed alongside any notion of individual violition and personal responsibility its quite easy to condition your activities by simple hierarchy and peer pressure. You don't "need" instructions any more than a rat needs to be commanded to eat the cheese. You've been roleplaying too long and it's affecting your ability to reason. Step away from the keyboard.
Wounded that I am by your critique I fancy I'll soldier on regardless.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:11:00 -
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Ice Fist wrote: ... using your own logic and psuedo-internet sociologist garbage ...
Oh noes are you going to report me to the The House Committee on Un-American Activities for my left wing intellectualist leanings now!
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:17:00 -
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Well if the tweets are true then well done Mittens for taking responsibility and resigning for what was obviously a totally unacceptable breach of CSM conduct.
Hope this is something of a chastening lesson for the goon-followers on this thread.
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:34:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse. He needs to man up and step down from the CSM at minimum. He shouldn't have to discuss anything, he should have already done so. The scarier thing is the Goons that are basically defending driving someone to their death. Its not about the specific person anymore its about the Goon culture. If they get away with it here there is now a green light to do it again down the road. Goons clamoring to defend this heinous bull is disturbing even for them. Just to defend their cult leader. I'm certainly not going to defend the words he said, I'm just calling for a little sense of perspective. The goons didn't harass the guy to death. As a matter of fact when Wis was contacted he didn't even know about the whole afair. By that time (or near enough as makes no difference), mittens had apologized and called off the mob. No damage done. It shouldn't be condoned, but an apology and retraction is good enough for me if there was no damage. So was it tasteless, sure... but look at the damage that was actually done: none.
Get a clue Meissa please. The damage that is done is to the reputation of the game in the wider gaming media and the way that we the players of eve online just got represented by a drunken fratboy calling on people to troll someone to death. Now we know the barge guy is okay, thats great, but that doesn't change the fact that the chairman of the CSM acted in a completely irresponsible and insulting way on the stage at fanfest on live tv which then got sent around the world to various gaming newsites.
Eve is recovering this year. I loved a lot of the stuff that came out of fanfest. The future looks pretty great but then Alexander Gianturco had to get steaming drunk and stagger out some junvenile-grade cod sadistic nonsense that made this community look absolutely terrible.
I find it hard to believe you are standing there and trying to justify this as a non event really.
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:12:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Eh.... True? Or no? Its an update to their last article. From http://kotaku.com/5896942/eve-online-suicide-taunter-goes-well-beyond-apologisingMar 28, 2012 1:00 AM EVE Online Suicide Taunter Goes Well Beyond Apologising The Mittani, a senior player in the EVE Online community and the man at the centre of yesterday's story about suicide taunts at a game convention, has gone well beyond apologising for his actions. Saying that "actions > words" and that he hates it "when people use alcohol as an excuse" for their behaviour (The Mittani had clearly had a few during the panel), he has posted on Twitter that not only will he be resigning from his senior position within the game's community, but that he'll also be sending all of his remaining in-game currency to the "victim". Some will say that, given the possibility the "victim" wasn't even being truthful in their actions, that's crazy. Even those aware that the real issue was simply attacking the player in the first place (as they couldn't have known whether it was genuine or not) might say it's a bit much, especially since his main apology was so sincere. But hey, this is what it looks like when somebody takes actual responsibility for their mistakes.
Its by no means clear as yet whether he will be keeping his word. I get the impression he's playing for time, trying to see what (if any) formal punishment there will be from CCP for bringing the game into disrepute for his actions at fanfest, and trying to assess whether he can use the "CSM begged me to stay!" line to keep himself in position. All in all its still a pretty disgraceful display from Alexander Gianturco and if he truly had the game's interests at heart his resignation would have been swift and decisive rather than all this snakiness and trying to find a way to role out from under the consequences of his actions.
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:39:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Its by no means clear as yet whether he will be keeping his word. I get the impression he's playing for time, trying to see what (if any) formal punishment there will be from CCP for bringing the game into disrepute for his actions at fanfest, and trying to assess whether he can use the "CSM begged me to stay!" line to keep himself in position. All in all its still a pretty disgraceful display from Alexander Gianturco and if he truly had the game's interests at heart his resignation would have been swift and decisive rather than all this snakiness and trying to find a way to role out from under the consequences of his actions. Another devastating piece of insight from official Eve playerbase spokesperson (and hater of Roadhouse), Jade Constantine. I too am sure that the Master Larper is just "playing for time" and not asleep after being thousands of miles away from home at a certain Eve fan gathering these past few days. Well its good to see we have people like you to fill the void while he is asleep 
We can always play a game of "which goon is the mittani's posting alts" while we wait 
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:44:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Nick Bison wrote:Laying it to rest.
This threadnaught has about run it's "useful" course as we have pretty much two polarized sides that must agree to disagree on this topic.
The only real steps to getting us all to move on (IMHO) would be:
1. Mittani to complete his Step 2 (Resign from CSM) heck, he'll be back in next year but, he said the words, and as a man I would expect him to keep to it. 2. CCP to issue some flavor of an "official" statement.
not enough. CCP pls consider full account BAN on mittani Yes, ban him for something outside of the game! Some people's logic is gloriously bad. If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Surely that would mean he couldn't be CSM chair anymore since he wouldn't be allowed to represent the CSM at fanfest?
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:56:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ?
Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose?
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:02:00 -
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Nylith Empyreal wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ? Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose? Don't think it matters what happens to his accounts as opposed to being locked up in which he wouldn't get to play those accounts anyway. Which I'm surprised there has been no legal backlash about this beyond these petty talks of EULA and TOS.
Well thats kind of the point. CCP have a line in the TOS that basically says "we can ban all your accounts anytime we want to if we think it appropriate" and its a catch all for this kind of thing.
Somebody sends death threat to Hilmar from their home address with a dead frog inside the envelope then they are going to get banned despite the fact RL doesn't have a specific TOS / EULA. This is why the whole "fanfest isn't covered by the same rules" argument the goons have been making is completely bogus.
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:04:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ? Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose? Yes, I see no legal basis for banning such a player from Eve Online, ordinary real-life charges aside.
Let me point you at the line in the TOS that will be used to ban you.
(you agree with this when you login to game and pay your sub)
Quote:"CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userGÇÖs account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.
We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation."
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:39:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Somebody sends death threat to Hilmar from their home address with a dead frog inside the envelope then they are going to get banned despite the fact RL doesn't have a specific TOS / EULA. This is why the whole "fanfest isn't covered by the same rules" argument the goons have been making is completely bogus.
My opinion is should such a case go in court, the CCP would have hard time explaining how sending death threats outside EVE constitutes a breach of contract. If someone sent a death threat to Bill Gates, does this invalidate his Windows or Office licenses?
I wonder how many players have been banned from eve online during the games history. I wonder how many times they have been successfully sued for breach of contract.
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Xython wrote:RougeOperator wrote:This is the funniest post in the thread so far.
He mad. Actually, I find myself strangely aroused at all the pubbies getting pissed off. Does this mean I'm finally a real Goon?
to be blunt, the goonies are probably about 10x madder on average than us "pub-lords" in this thread.
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:37:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Xython wrote:RougeOperator wrote:This is the funniest post in the thread so far.
He mad. Actually, I find myself strangely aroused at all the pubbies getting pissed off. Does this mean I'm finally a real Goon? to be blunt, the goonies are probably about 10x madder on average than us "pub-lords" in this thread. Time-Lords would of been better but I can live with with Pub-Lords 
Apparently so I kinda like the term :)
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:03:00 -
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Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Vanir Tsero wrote:So many people miss the point.
So many arguments regarding "He didn't do anything to you" or "This is Eve Online" or "Virtual vs Physical".
Sure, this is something all pilots in EvE Online should expect. Scams, threats, ignorance, maliciousness. It's all part of the game. This is a sandbox. We all know it happens and we all have thick skins. Noone here should be offended by what Mittens said. But it's not about "us".
This is about the rest of the world. This is how potential players see us. I for one would love to open the launcher and see 80,000 players online. It gives "us" more of a game to play. It also gives CCP more money to introduce amazing new content. Why would we want to tarnish the name of EvE Online and possibly dissuade players from joining us? That's exactly what happened in this case.
Many large scale gaming websites ran this story. Just reading the comments from those websites, it made me ashamed to be associated with eve. People all over are ignorant. They will take this story and blame eve online itself. They will consider each and every player in EvE online the same as Mittens. This is just simple truth. It's not something we can control. You can choose to ignore it, but it doesn't make anything "better". We are still looked down upon.
The bottom line is, Mittens did something that was frowned down upon by a portion of the eve community, and a tremendous amount of outside gamers who may never look at eve as a possible game in the future. This is the harm it has caused. That's the realization.
Personally, I have nothing against Mittens. I have thick skin and what was said doesn't bother me at all. I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house.
/end EXACTLY !!!! let me help this fine bloke here repeat this very nice sentence ---> " I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house." now who did you say you love? mittens? .... no mittens you ... do not love us (as you said u do presenting the stuff @ fanfest).... YOU only loved yourself, and i think it is not helping the GAME ... heck it might even be detrimental to your own cause in goons ... now it has become detrimental to CCP didnt it ? you might as well BUY over CCP and play it all by yourselves right? but of cos ... not if CCP shoves a probable BAN on you first ... because it belongs to CCP You really shouldn't try to help anyone with anything involving language.
Come on Kallynda you've been banging your head against the logical barrier all afternoon on the eula / tos issue and repeating things so often its like you are trying to will them into existence and change reality by stamping your forum feet really hard.
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:39:00 -
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Well he resigned as Chair, its the minimum he could do really. So for the moment I'm satisfied and back to spaceships. All the best everyone :)
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:04:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Well he resigned as Chair, its the minimum he could do really. So for the moment I'm satisfied and back to spaceships. All the best everyone :)
Actually having just read his whiny self-pitying childish attempt to lash out at everyone involved from the media to eve players to myself personally - I'm going to retract that statement and say he deserves absolutely everything he got.
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/
What a loser.
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:08:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Well he resigned as Chair, its the minimum he could do really. So for the moment I'm satisfied and back to spaceships. All the best everyone :)
Actually having just read his whiny self-pitying childish attempt to lash out at everyone involved from the media to eve players to myself personally - I'm going to retract that statement and say he deserves absolutely everything he got. http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/What a loser. CCP apparently wasnt happy with his resignation from the chair as the only outcome.
Well all I can say is perhaps they got that leak from the message he sent to the goons because he comes across as some foot stamping entitled trust fund princess who thinks the world owes him a living. A truly terrible display and my thanks to EN24 for leaking it.
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