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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.09.08 10:51:00 -
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I have a serious, serious problem and it's starting to become louder every day I play.
I ♥LOVE♥ faction stuff. I will buy tech 1/tech 2/faction ships and pimp the hell out of them.
This is becoming problematic though, because the need is becoming insatiable.
First I was pimping out faction cruisers such as my Navy Vexor. Next I started pimping out little faction frigates such as the infamous Gallente Navy Comet I lost a while back. After that I decided to spice up the daily grind and I threw a smattering of faction onto a Dominix. It felt so good I went FULL X-Type and now I have a 6 billion isk Dominix.
Months later I'm in Faction Warfare and am still throwing large amounts of ISK at a bottomless isk hole. I have an Enyo with a deadspace tank, just for that extra 1%. I actually received props on it the other day, as a few well known guys who run in Old Man Star were impressed that they were never able to break the tank on it.
I'm currently sputtering around a few Sins I own with various faction fittings. I have a PVE setup and a PVP setup.. and I'm working on purchasing the PVP setup equipment. Combined both ships will run me around 16 billion if I pay average prices for the modules.
I mean, I look at the price of certain modules such as Corpii C-Type SAR and stuff and can justify the extra 3 million isk for a better tank or somesuch for such a cheap price (when put against SAR II which is like 300-400k, so it's only 10x more but at 3-4 mil that's pennies.)
What is going on? I'm afraid I'm going to lose all my isk if I continue to fit my ships like this. The problem is I don't know how to stop. I have this feeling that the benefit of the deadspace fittings provide an ample enough boost that it justifies the price. Is that a fair assumption? Is dropping 700 million isk on a rep that offers me 600 more rep/cycle a good call? Or is it a waste of isk?
I mean, I'm talking fairly large numbers on one scale, then minutia on another scale. I don't know what to do! I am almost pulling my hair out over this, and I need help :(
Are there any other factionaholics here that share my problem with me? I want to get over this feeling that I need to fit every ship I fly with a faction module.
Help!
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Dictum Factum
Gemini Sun
Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.09.08 10:55:00 -
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Noted.
I know less than you think I do.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.08 10:55:00 -
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Your ♥LOVE♥ towards faction gear, is what my ♥LOVE♥ towards Veldspar results in.
Looking forward to see that Navy Augror tattoo 
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elfen
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Posted - 2008.09.08 10:55:00 -
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If you have the isk spend it my friend
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.08 10:55:00 -
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We get it, you are so rich you faction/deadspace/officer fit your whatever ship. You are the most awesomeness, greatest, bestest player in all of teh EVEs.
If you have the cash, then why not faction fit your ship. A giant number in my wallet gives me no fun, but a faction fit cruor is sexy time.
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N'tek alar
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Posted - 2008.09.08 10:56:00 -
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damnit, now i want to join the opposing militia just to try to kill you for the loot, I want to be rich too! |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:01:00 -
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I have a similar problem with Tech 1 gear. Being a carebear, I have such a love of good price/performance ratios that I can't bear to fit even named gear on Tech 1 ships.
Although I wouldn't call it a 'problem' so much as a "significant advantage over those who don't follow suit and end up going broke".
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Vaal Erit
We get it, you are so rich you faction/deadspace/officer fit your whatever ship. You are the most awesomeness, greatest, bestest player in all of teh EVEs.
If you have the cash, then why not faction fit your ship. A giant number in my wallet gives me no fun, but a faction fit cruor is sexy time.
I know, it's tons of fun.
I mean I play EVE to have fun, 100%.
Okay, here's this. I work as a server at a restaraunt. We have video lottery in the back, right. I see people every day who are regulars go back there. Now I'm sure that the first few times they really did it to have fun. I mean the hope of winning money is fantastic! But when they win a bit and pretty soon they start to lose money... you find them in the back and they are putting hundreds of dollars into those machines. Right? We both know they're throwing their money away and are NOT having fun.
Well it's gotten to the point where before I even buy a ship I think about what sort of sexy fit I can do to it, just to get that extra edge. If this were a solo game with lots of 1v1, I am sure that my officer fitted Ishtar would be the sexiest thing on the block. But I think you and I both know that's not the case, and I will someday die a horrible death to a recon gang because EVE is not a 1v1 game.
So here I am literally trying to get over my faction addiction and fit tech 2 ships for a while. But the problem with THAT is that if I go and buy like say, a Vexor right, I feel like it's totally useless versus a faction fitted megathron or somesuch. You know what I mean?
Ugh!
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Armoured C
Gallente
The Aztecs
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:03:00 -
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if you want teh tank of tanks faction fit a EOS...with that juicy reppping bonus and the fit armour warfare links ( have a gang mate join you ) to it i am sure you can take out a armada with it
seen nightmares tanked up take almost 90k on a bubble camp with 12 people shooting at it with a faction tank.... it was sexy to watch
and if you have any left over faction gear i will take contracts or just trades, i can understand how it can be a bother to you so i will take it off you for free
Armoured C remember the name
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
if you want teh tank of tanks faction fit a EOS...with that juicy reppping bonus and the fit armour warfare links ( have a gang mate join you ) to it i am sure you can take out a armada with it
seen nightmares tanked up take almost 90k on a bubble camp with 12 people shooting at it with a faction tank.... it was sexy to watch
and if you have any left over faction gear i will take contracts or just trades, i can understand how it can be a bother to you so i will take it off you for free
Armoured C remember the name
Are you seeing my problem yet?
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YapYup
Gallente
Pangalactic Acquisitions
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: N'tek alar
damnit, now i want to join the opposing militia just to try to kill you for the loot, I want to be rich too!
I've been hunting his sin for 2 weeks now, i think im becoming obsessed. i dont know why but i find myself hunting those that have this need to fit faction modules. i start trembling everytime i see him in the same system.
i need help...
...tackling this pimp, ill split the loot 20/80 lets go, convo me ingame.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:06:00 -
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At least now I know who to keylog if I want epic iskies.
Cheap faction fit ships, get your cheaaap faction fit ships here!
Only two for a bil, get 'em while they're hot!
At the end of the day its just a game, Isk is relative. To me 100m is a lot, to some its shit all.
You might as well enjoy it and get the most out of eve, rather than be bored shitless of it and have a fat wallet.
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Armoured C
Gallente
The Aztecs
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:07:00 -
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jesus running nano bot accelerators aswell what were you repping O_O
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elfen
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:09:00 -
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Looking at the whole picture You dont get 1v1 in eve ............in FW you will loose ships no matter what you fit them out like.
Any gang of a few people will kill your Faction beauty.
Just fit affordable ships if in any War and have more fun.........
This is my alt character who i have not pirated with for 2 years maybe more.........
I have 300k in gunnery and about the same in Mechanic, and level 1 Battleship.....
I have killed 100's of people and loose ships alot of the time, but i always fit them out so cheap that the insurance covers most of the loss.
I have fun , and dont mind loosing ships to blobs etc.........
In fact Siigari you know my main
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 08/09/2008 11:10:40
Originally by: Armoured C
jesus running nano bot accelerators aswell what were you repping O_O
1625 DPS per second, repped 1325 every 4.7 seconds.
PS: It could specialize any 2 damage types for around 3000 DPS. (so like, kintherm or expkin, etc)
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eXtas
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:12:00 -
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nothing wrong to pvp with faction stuff.. just dont go crazy on fittings like the domi, sure it might win a 1vs1 but you still melt fast to more then 1 gank bs :(
but some mods are totaly worth using if you have isk, like faction eanm, deadspace c-type anp, frigsize deadspace reps/boosters... faction webbs are sweet.. allso disrupters and heavy neuts :)
but I wouldnt fit a deadspace tank on a bs because thats just tooo expencive :)
in the end the deadspace tank wont save you.. but picking right fights and knowing when to deagro/run will save you :)
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: eXtas
in the end the deadspace tank wont save you.. but picking right fights and knowing when to deagro/run will save you :)
I KNOW
And that's where the beauty and the allure of the Sin comes into play.
Alright, I'll post it and tell me if you think this is overboard, but this was my goal until I realized I can't deal with this anymore.
This is the PERFECT solo PVP Sin imo, btw.
[Sin, PVP]
Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Cormack's Modified Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution
Cormack's Modified Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution
Selynne's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800
Domination Warp Disruptor
Mizuro's Modified Stasis Webifier
Core A-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu
Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer
Estamel's Modified Cloaking Device
Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Auxiliary Nano Pump II
'Augmented' Ogre II x6
'Augmented' Berserker II x6
'Augmented' Warrior II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Hobgoblin SD-300
Now, I want to fit this, and the theory about it is sound. But I don't think I could come to any sort of reasonable terms losing it.
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Rick Rothsar
Ghosts of Ragnarok
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:18:00 -
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To the locator agent!
/batman swirl feat. navythron
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:18:00 -
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Siigari, as I said the last time we flew together, you in your sin and the rest of us in cruiser - Siig is primary!
It's one thing to fly a Black Ops in FW, that's silly enough already, it's another thing to faction fit it. Yeah, sure, it will get you that extra edge, but you will die in the end. Remember the trip home? You picked the wrong gate and had a ooops-moment? Guess what would have happened had there been a gatecamp there 
Force yourself to stick with regular ships and T1 fits. No named. No T2. No Faction/deadspace/officer. Pure T1! Do that for a month. You should be cured by then. and if not, when I return to FW, I'll make sure you get cured 
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC
Siigari, as I said the last time we flew together, you in your sin and the rest of us in cruiser - Siig is primary!
It's one thing to fly a Black Ops in FW, that's silly enough already, it's another thing to faction fit it. Yeah, sure, it will get you that extra edge, but you will die in the end. Remember the trip home? You picked the wrong gate and had a ooops-moment? Guess what would have happened had there been a gatecamp there
Force yourself to stick with regular ships and T1 fits. No named. No T2. No Faction/deadspace/officer. Pure T1! Do that for a month. You should be cured by then. and if not, when I return to FW, I'll make sure you get cured
Yeah. Abbi had me fly a few tech 2 fitted ships. It wasn't that bad.. but when I didn't lose them after like, 3 days I started adding little shinies like Amarr Navy EANMs... and then it got progressively worse. I finally caught myself and took the Dark Blood web off and stuck the t2 back on. It's hard, I mean it really is.
It's like telling someone who smokes cigarettes who wants to quit to just quit. I bet it's hard as hell for them to actually do it.
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Armoured C
Gallente
The Aztecs
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:23:00 -
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can you use the jump portal as i am betting a few manticores or other stealth bombers group and you jump drive could make a sweet catch with the plexing...
"tadaaaa woot i found a mission wait what is that frigates doing ..OOOHNOES I AM SCRAMMED wait lolwut is that a stealth cyno OMFG (end tranmission)"
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
can you use the jump portal as i am betting a few manticores or other stealth bombers group and you jump drive could make a sweet catch with the plexing...
"tadaaaa woot i found a mission wait what is that frigates doing ..OOOHNOES I AM SCRAMMED wait lolwut is that a stealth cyno OMFG (end tranmission)"
If only you could cyno into a complex...
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
can you use the jump portal as i am betting a few manticores or other stealth bombers group and you jump drive could make a sweet catch with the plexing...
"tadaaaa woot i found a mission wait what is that frigates doing ..OOOHNOES I AM SCRAMMED wait lolwut is that a stealth cyno OMFG (end tranmission)"
Hehe, yeah. I have used the Covert Cyno twice now.. it's really flippin cool. We jumped in a few stealth bombers and a Huginn the other day on a gatecamp... the idea was for the Huginn to tackle the interceptors that were closing on the Falcon, and the Falcon was to jam. Well, there were some extenuating circumstances that led to a very quick death of both recons, BUT we got one of the interceptors!
Very entertaining! I look forward to doing some plex mayhem hehe :)
See, that's fun. The Black Ops ship for true JPG is great and entertaining. Throw 6 EC IIs and a bunch of isotopes in your cargohold, light a cyno and fire away. Without a doubt I can say jumping other people's ships THROUGH MY SHIP is the coolest thing I have ever done/experienced in EVE.
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eXtas
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:29:00 -
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I would **** that sin with a normal neut domi :)
I know your problem tho.. I find myself fitting all my frigs with deadspace/faction stuff :P its just sooo shiny :)
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 08/09/2008 11:31:40
Originally by: eXtas
I would **** that sin with a normal neut domi :)
I know your problem tho.. I find myself fitting all my frigs with deadspace/faction stuff :P its just sooo shiny :)
No you wouldn't, it'd be cloaked -.- Coolest part about Black Ops is you can pick your fights at a moment's notice with the lock time delay removed.
And yeah, too much shiny. I sort of drew the line when I saw a Cormack's Sensor Booster on contracts for 8.5 bil, lol.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:32:00 -
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I had this problem before. I pulled in tens of billions of isk from COSMOS before the campers moved in but I spent it all on corpum fitted ships that I lost in stupid ways. I found that just having a large amount of personal isk in my wallet makes me spend it. When I had over 5 billion, I would splash out on some new corpum fitted ship or other.
My solution was to invest the isk into Tech 1 and Tech 2 BPOs. Subsequently, I haven't had more than 1-3b in my wallet at any given time. This has stopped me spending it on expensive stuff and I currently use nothing but cheap tech 1 fitted cruisers and battleships. It currently costs me less than 1m to lose a cruiser and under 20m per battleship thanks to insurance. I still occasionally splurge on new ships but now splurging means buying an assault frigate with tech 2 fittings or a t2 cruiser.
I assure you that no deadspace modules will save you when you're attacked by a gang. You might tank an extra 200-300 DPS in a corpum fitted ship but when the enemy's collectively dealing thousands per second, it's not going to help that much at all. Additionally, the Sin isn't a very good ship. The developers even admitted that black ops battleships were heavily pre-nerfed. The only one that I consider to be of any merit is the caldari one because of its ability to decloak mid-battle and instantly turn the tide of the fight with ECM. Even then, a falcon does the same job for a lot less isk.
I seriously suggest you try using only tech 1 ships for a while with pure tech 1 and cheap named fittings. People have this idea that tech 1 is useless and you need the best gear you can afford to lose but the truth is far from that. Force yourself to use only cheap stuff for a while and you'll realise (just as I have) that it's still incredibly effective. The quality of your modules is a much smaller factor in PvP than the design of your ship's fitting, your skills, your knowledge of aggro mechanics and how well you maintain your situational awareness.
Go buy 5 dominixes and 10 thoraxes, fit them all up cheaply with tech 1 gear and keep them in Villore. Then when you lose one, you can just dock, hop in a new one, insure it and away you go. When you realise that your tech 1 fitted thorax is still dealing 200-300 damage per second and costs literally under a million isk to lose, it's so liberating.
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Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I sort of drew the line when I saw a Cormack's Sensor Booster on contracts for 8.5 bil, lol.
Welll there you are, you're just fine, you still know where to draw a line. Stop worrying and keep going. 
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 08/09/2008 12:04:46
Siigari Kitawa, you are where i was some years ago.
I was doing the same, i was buying my favourite faction battleship that is a Machariel, and pimped it out to it's best, almost heh.
I have had 4x Machariel's earlier, and all of the was sold. The first Machariel i had was poorly faction fitted. The 2nd one i had was an improovement from the first one. Those 2x Machariel's was used in gate camping and to sniping, so i got some killmails with those.
Then i had the 3rd Machariel, then i went extreme. I did buy the 2nd best deadspace / officer stuffs of the armor tank, MWD, web, scram etc. Or the web and disruptor was from Domination ofc.
But the corp i was in had moved, so i had left my Machariel in the system i had the ship.
But then a corp mate was selling a Machariel in the system we was moved to, so i couldn't resist then. So i just placed the 2nd Machariel i had left on contract and sold it. I had ofc sold the stuffs on the 2nd Machariel before i sold the ship. So i had alot of isk.
Then i went uber extreme with the newest Machariel. I did buy the best deadspace armor tank that was Corpus X-Type, best 100MN MWD ingame that was a Gist X-Type 100MN MWD, did buy a new Domi web and Domi Disruptor. Think i also had the 2nd best ECM Multispectral ingame. And it goes on.
So yeah, i spent lots of isk on that.
The 2 last Machariel's i had, i didn't even manage to use them before i sold them lol.
But then something happened to me. I was thinking and was watching my wallet. 300 mill in my wallet left now i had that time.
Then i was thinking, is this a good idea if i lose this Machariel now?. Was so thinking for some days.
Then i decided to sell everything and never buy any more faction stuffs lol. Because i found out that i can have ALT of fun for those billion isk with normal ships and normal setups. So yeah, i haven't buyed any faction stuffs after that.
The only faction thing i have ingame now on TQ is a lil Caldari Navy Hookbill, but it's just T2 fitted. But i think i have had that ship for like 2+ years now anyways.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.09.08 13:21:00 -
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Today Siigari took the first step to beating his faction ship addiction:
http://www.quafeultra.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5539
:D
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 08/09/2008 13:44:54
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 08/09/2008 13:43:23
Originally by: Nyphur
I seriously suggest you try using only tech 1 ships for a while with pure tech 1 and cheap named fittings. People have this idea that tech 1 is useless and you need the best gear you can afford to lose but the truth is far from that. Force yourself to use only cheap stuff for a while and you'll realise (just as I have) that it's still incredibly effective. The quality of your modules is a much smaller factor in PvP than the design of your ship's fitting, your skills, your knowledge of aggro mechanics and how well you maintain your situational awareness.
Personally, I'll always say 'go for T2' - you'll find that a T1 ship with T2 gear and some cheap rigs at best (and only on BC(sometimes), BS/HACs). Gives you awesome performance, and it is really cheap to lose.
As for faction addiction - well, I make ISK by pirating, which means that I don't feel good about ships which don't get to pay themselves off - and a BS worth billions is not going to do this, ever. Adopting a similar approach to ship fitting could be a good idea.
The only somewhat pimped ship I have is a rigged Wolf with a few deadspace bits, but it only costs maybe 40-50M. Last one I had made about 80M in loot&ransoms anyway I used to fly Cynabals now and then, but I've given it up really. I'm looking at buying a Machariel, but... erm. I somehow feel that wouldn't go very well
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