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Hungo Minmatar Research And Tactics Zeta Tau Epsilon	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:39:00 - [1] Topic says it all We, yes, we the empire players are sick to bloody death of you attempting to get us into a postion where you can gank, own, kill, **, murder, slap whatever you want to call it. You choose to play your game time one way, we choose another. 0.0 is the msot lucrative space avalible and we dont want anything to do with it, empire does not make u stupidly rich, nor does it give anyone an unfair advantage leave us alone, stop **ing well having a go about missions, your inablity to cheap shot haulers and your stupid pirate antics thru lack of targets in your home regions to the 0.0 alliances, - IF YOU WANT MORE TARGETS, STOP NAPPING everyone u bloody well see around u, fight everything, good god ive been there since CA days Leave us alone, you have no right to tell us how to play
heheheh PedoHamma	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:40:00 - [2] hehehe i love these paranoid people that assume everyone out of high sec is out to get them. What people dont realise is we live happily in low sec making so much more ISK than you and we never ever get popped.
Hungo Minmatar Research And Tactics Zeta Tau Epsilon	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:41:00 - [3] Oh and no i dont care if you flame me, this had to be said, whether thru this thread or sumone else who ahs the balls to put it in a post
heheheh PedoHamma	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:41:00 - [4] not flaming you man just laughing at you.
Jones Bones Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:42:00 - [5] Play their way or leave! Get down to 0.0 and join the laggy blobfests now you useless carebear!
Helox Gallente Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:42:00 - [6] Seriously, make a difference between pvp-ers and pirats. I tend to see myself as an pvp'er, and I can't remember the last time I've shot at anyone in highsec. Hell, last time I visited lowsec it was while travelling to the next 0.0 region. -- the above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head
Hungo Minmatar Research And Tactics Zeta Tau Epsilon	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:42:00 - [7] Originally by: heheheh hehehe i love these paranoid people that assume everyone out of high sec is out to get them. What people dont realise is we live happily in low sec making so much more ISK than you and we never ever get popped. Little aldy i have lived in 0.0 for more years than u by a long shot, fought along side ca, imp, fa 5, bob, gbc, so pleas dont think i am paranoid because you couldnt be further from the truth. Empire needs to be left alone, on and little aldy, my aliance is a 0.0 alliance but i prefer empire, elss hassle, why should that be changed?
heheheh PedoHamma	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Hungo Originally by: heheheh hehehe i love these paranoid people that assume everyone out of high sec is out to get them. What people dont realise is we live happily in low sec making so much more ISK than you and we never ever get popped. Little aldy i have lived in 0.0 for more years than u by a long shot, fought along side ca, imp, fa 5, bob, gbc, so pleas dont think i am paranoid because you couldnt be further from the truth. Empire needs to be left alone, on and little aldy, my aliance is a 0.0 alliance but i prefer empire, elss hassle, why should that be changed? instead of just discussing why did you feel the need to belittle me by boasting how long you have lived in 0.0 ? I can tell by the fact you chose to use this remark that you are telling porkies.
Hungo Minmatar Research And Tactics Zeta Tau Epsilon	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Helox Seriously, make a difference between pvp-ers and pirats. I tend to see myself as an pvp'er, and I can't remember the last time I've shot at anyone in highsec. Hell, last time I visited lowsec it was while travelling to the next 0.0 region. You are missing the point Why should the PVP base who have more stations, more ships, more money than any of the empire population decide how the carebear which i find very fofensive tbh - Us non combat personel decide to play By what right do u have to tell CCP how we should play?
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Hungo Originally by: Helox Seriously, make a difference between pvp-ers and pirats. I tend to see myself as an pvp'er, and I can't remember the last time I've shot at anyone in highsec. Hell, last time I visited lowsec it was while travelling to the next 0.0 region. You are missing the point Why should the PVP base who have more stations, more ships, more money than any of the empire population decide how the carebear which i find very fofensive tbh - Us non combat personel decide to play By what right do u have to tell CCP how we should play? Because its a PvP game, why and how are they trying to tell you how to play ?
heheheh PedoHamma	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Hungo Originally by: Helox Seriously, make a difference between pvp-ers and pirats. I tend to see myself as an pvp'er, and I can't remember the last time I've shot at anyone in highsec. Hell, last time I visited lowsec it was while travelling to the next 0.0 region. You are missing the point Why should the PVP base who have more stations, more ships, more money than any of the empire population decide how the carebear which i find very fofensive tbh - Us non combat personel decide to play By what right do u have to tell CCP how we should play? I give up, you win arguing with angry troll is like banging your head against a brick wall.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Hungo Empire needs to be left alone Why? Quote: i prefer empire, elss hassle, why should that be changed? Because "less hassle" shouldn't be a part of the ≡v≡ gameplay.
SentryRaven The Movement	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Hungo Empire needs to be left alone Why? Quote: i prefer empire, elss hassle, why should that be changed? Because "less hassle" shouldn't be a part of the ≡v≡ gameplay. Says who? Link? And obviously, "less hassle" is not an objective criterion. -------- I play nekkid.
Mephistophilis Domination.	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:57:00 - [14] Originally said by you I have one thing to say to you STFU Works better here i think
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Imperial Servants	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:58:00 - [15] Let the "PvP'ers" cry all the want. They will never be able to dictate how you should play EvE just as you would never be able to dictate how they play their game.
El Mauru Amarr Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:58:00 - [16] WE TEH PEEPLE! -
Ashlee Darksky Minmatar Forum Insurgency	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Steve Hawkings Because its a PvP game, why and how are they trying to tell you how to play ? What if my idea of PVP is to mine asteroids from right under your miner? Or salvage your missions? Or hammer your corp into financial submission via trading? That's all PvP, so using that argument = fail. Originally by: Tippia Because "less hassle" shouldn't be a part of the ≡v≡ gameplay. Again define hassle, what it is to you might be totally different to everyone else. Humans, by their very nature choose the path of least resistance and make life easier for themselves. Tell me when was the last time you chose a game to relax, after work, because it was a ton of hassle and stressed you out? At a very basic level, more hassle = less customers. Less customers = CCP go pop. CCP go pop = no more eve. --- > I see fail everywhere, and it's like they don't even know they're failing > Bring me the heads of 10 carebears, 5 bottles of BBQ sauce, firewood and a box of matches!
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:02:00 - [18] Originally by: SentryRaven Says who? Link? And obviously, "less hassle" is not an objective criterion. Says me. Here. Also, for any given reward, the hassle should objectiveely be the same, so if you want less hassle, you need to pay the price of lesser rewards. At the moment, the empire — or at least high-sec — rewards (high) are out of whack compared to the amount of hassle (ε).
DrefsabZN Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:05:00 - [19] To be fair saying EVE is a PvP game is actually not correct, it's MMO with a strong PvP eliment. Its quite possible to play this game and never pew pew once in your entire game existance. Though that being said why the hell you would want to do that I don't know because it would bore me to tears.
SentryRaven The Movement	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: SentryRaven Says who? Link? And obviously, "less hassle" is not an objective criterion. Says me. Here. My apologies, I wasn't aware that you were quite the responsible person to exactly make clear what is part of the EVE gameplay and what not. Again... my sincere apologies. "Hassle" can't be objective, because if I understand the term correctly, I might have more hassle doing an 1 hour lvl 4 mission (short attention span, my computer's GPU fan failing every 20min... etc. etc.) than someone else, thus making the "hassle" not quite objective. -------- I play nekkid.
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:08:00 - [21] define 'balls'
Storms	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:08:00 - [22] seriously, you guys dissapoint me? nobody said THE line yet? ok...i'll do it... WOW --------------------------this way------------------------------>>>>>
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:10:00 - [23] Edited by: Tippia on 08/09/2008 13:12:41 Originally by: DrefsabZN To be fair saying EVE is a PvP game is actually not correct, it's MMO with a strong PvP eliment. Its quite possible to play this game and never pew pew once in your entire game existance. True as far at it goes, but that doesn't mean you're not PvP:ing. The industrialist and trader paths of ≡v≡ are entirely PvP. The empire building is entirely PvP. Exploration is PvP. Just about anything you do in ≡v≡ is PvP. As far as I can tell, there are only three non-PvP things you can do in this game: accept missions, hand in missions, and spin your ship. Anything inbetween those activities is subject to competition, and thus qualifies as PvP.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:12:00 - [24] Why should I back off? You carebears taught the Eve community how to get changes made: whine, whine and then whine some more. Now it's our turn. Live with it or quit.
DrefsabZN Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:20:00 - [25] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 08/09/2008 13:12:41 Originally by: DrefsabZN To be fair saying EVE is a PvP game is actually not correct, it's MMO with a strong PvP eliment. Its quite possible to play this game and never pew pew once in your entire game existance. True as far at it goes, but that doesn't mean you're not PvP:ing. The industrialist and trader paths of ≡v≡ are entirely PvP. The empire building is entirely PvP. Exploration is PvP. Just about anything you do in ≡v≡ is PvP. As far as I can tell, there are only three non-PvP things you can do in this game: accept missions, hand in missions, and spin your ship. Anything inbetween those activities is subject to competition, and thus qualifies as PvP. in that sense yup, perhaps I should have qualified it by saying I meant pew pew when I said pvp :)
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:23:00 - [26] backoff...or you'll do what? Run some missions at me, oh noes. Originally by: Hungo Leave us alone, you have no right to tell us how to play Likewise little carebear.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Let the "PvP'ers" cry all the want. They will never be able to dictate how you should play EvE just as you would never be able to dictate how they play their game. Except you kinda do when you whine loudly enough on the forums. See: Suicide ganking nerf... __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Ashlee Darksky Originally by: Steve Hawkings Because its a PvP game, why and how are they trying to tell you how to play ? What if my idea of PVP is to mine asteroids from right under your miner? Or salvage your missions? Or hammer your corp into financial submission via trading? That's all PvP, so using that argument = fail. I think your arguing with the wrong person, if you try to do all those things to me i would find it fun. no one is trying to tell anyone else how to play, this is the point i was trying to make.
Mephistophilis Domination.	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Why should I back off? You carebears taught the Eve community how to get changes made: whine, whine and then whine some more. Now it's our turn. Live with it or quit. Signed
Helox Gallente Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Hungo Originally by: Helox Seriously, make a difference between pvp-ers and pirats. I tend to see myself as an pvp'er, and I can't remember the last time I've shot at anyone in highsec. Hell, last time I visited lowsec it was while travelling to the next 0.0 region. You are missing the point Why should the PVP base who have more stations, more ships, more money than any of the empire population decide how the carebear which i find very fofensive tbh - Us non combat personel decide to play By what right do u have to tell CCP how we should play? Ffs, didn't notice the trolling in the first post. Anyway, you are right. Completely. In everything. You won the internet, turn of your connection. -- the above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head
Whineroy	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:37:00 - [31] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Why should I back off? You carebears taught the Eve community how to get changes made: whine, whine and then whine some more. Now it's our turn. Live with it or quit. Nawh, everything one needs to know about real whining is taught by ganker nerds... And the incredible whining about "unfair" that results when said ganker nerds are slapped back after they've spewed endless arrogant insults at "carebears". Oh the good ol' days when there were real pirates with some professionalism, instead of ganker nerds who consider themselves to be superior form of Eve player.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:38:00 - [32] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 08/09/2008 13:12:41 Originally by: DrefsabZN To be fair saying EVE is a PvP game is actually not correct, it's MMO with a strong PvP eliment. Its quite possible to play this game and never pew pew once in your entire game existance. True as far at it goes, but that doesn't mean you're not PvP:ing. The industrialist and trader paths of ≡v≡ are entirely PvP. The empire building is entirely PvP. Exploration is PvP. Just about anything you do in ≡v≡ is PvP. As far as I can tell, there are only three non-PvP things you can do in this game: accept missions, hand in missions, and spin your ship. Anything inbetween those activities is subject to competition, and thus qualifies as PvP. This is also a good post. unless you never buy anything, sell anything even mine, you are doing PVP.
Bobbechk The Priory	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Hungo Topic says it all We, yes, we the empire players are sick to bloody death of you attempting to get us into a postion where you can gank, own, kill, **, murder, slap whatever you want to call it. You choose to play your game time one way, we choose another. 0.0 is the msot lucrative space avalible and we dont want anything to do with it, empire does not make u stupidly rich, nor does it give anyone an unfair advantage leave us alone, stop **ing well having a go about missions, your inablity to cheap shot haulers and your stupid pirate antics thru lack of targets in your home regions to the 0.0 alliances, - IF YOU WANT MORE TARGETS, STOP NAPPING everyone u bloody well see around u, fight everything, good god ive been there since CA days Leave us alone, you have no right to tell us how to play Carebear tears taste nice... alltho you forgot to put this in CAOD
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:41:00 - [34] Originally by: Lady Karma backoff...or you'll do what? Run some missions at me, oh noes. Run awaaaay!
Xeronn Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Hungo Originally by: Helox Seriously, make a difference between pvp-ers and pirats. I tend to see myself as an pvp'er, and I can't remember the last time I've shot at anyone in highsec. Hell, last time I visited lowsec it was while travelling to the next 0.0 region. You are missing the point Why should the PVP base who have more stations, more ships, more money than any of the empire population decide how the carebear which i find very fofensive tbh - Us non combat personel decide to play By what right do u have to tell CCP how we should play? by the right that I started this game assuming that CCP want lying and would deliver a free PvP experience and TRUE nonconsensual consequences-loaded PvP. By the right that I don`t want the game I play to be changed to suit you See the game I play is the game where someone can and should at all times be able to influence the way someone else plays the game.This is the beauty of eve.! Your actions have consequences and yes shock! you CAN be forced into doing things you DONT want to do and/or changing the way you play the game!Don`t like it? quit . EvE is about power and power only has meaning when it affects others. EvE is THE only MMORPG available right now , the rest are glorified single-player games with integrated chat rooms So now you answer me , by what right do you think you can come here and whine for changes to the game to suit you? You now what you were joining yet aparently you want something 100% oposed to it...so what is your problem? Why would you have the core of the game changed? Why not simply join another dumbed-down game out there made for the masses of people who avoid all chalange and competition and just look for a hand-holder and a pat on the back?
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:43:00 - [36] I am within your sphere of influence. You affect me on a day to day basis. One of these days I'm going to get really tired of being ripped off on the market, your having you and your corp constantly spamming the place I live in. Then I'm going to spend my entire measly life savings, to have a merc corp track down every one of your members, war dec your corp, and follow you for a month. YOU influence EVERYTHING in EvE. You don't magically sit in your own little server and have no effect on the game world at large. If you use the market, your fcking up somebodies day or helping somebody else. If you group up in a hisec system, your exponentially increasing the server load and screwing up the game for those players, and players in systems attached to that node. If your corp is renting offices, or factory slots, or research positions ... your screwing other players over who don't get to do what they need to do because YOU won't let them. Mining? Yep, someone else could have used that asteroid. Ratting? Yep. Exploration? Not only did you scare some poor paranoid soul with your probe, but those sites your exploring are expendable. Oh, let's get some wide assumptions and kill them real quick. Pull! - 'Empire players/dwellers' are not all risk-averse please-dont-hit-me carebears. Many are industrialists who use the mining or the markets for financial gain and cutthroat market schemes. They'd do it in losec or nulsec, if the money was good. Hisec is just easier. - A massive amount of hisec players are merely alts and jump clones of 0.0 inhabitants. Nulsec ain't got the resources to fund tens of thousands of combat pilots, so they go to hisec instead. This also is why you can't move into 0.0, cause you can't kill any corporations monetary supply because half or more is untouchable in hisec. BoB blobs are the only way to 'get er done', kill it all before it grows back. - Pvpers are NOT all pirates and griefers. Hell, not all pirates are griefers, and not all griefers are PvPers. There are plenty of carebear (i.e. risk averse) pirates and griefers, too! Lot's of hisec dwellers are scammers, griefers and thieves. - PvP is not greater than PvE in EvE, nor is it less. A player is very hard pressed to survive solely through either. If your never going to PvP, you can never use the market, never rent anything, and can only use the loot you find in missions. If your never going to PvE, you can never rat/mine/mission, and you'll probably find that making money SUCKS! Originally by:* CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Rosa Rosette	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:45:00 - [37] Originally by: Hungo Originally by: Helox Seriously, make a difference between pvp-ers and pirats. I tend to see myself as an pvp'er, and I can't remember the last time I've shot at anyone in highsec. Hell, last time I visited lowsec it was while travelling to the next 0.0 region. You are missing the point Why should the PVP base who have more stations, more ships, more money than any of the empire population decide how the carebear which i find very fofensive tbh - Us non combat personel decide to play By what right do u have to tell CCP how we should play? because they have more stations, more ships, moer money?
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Hungo Topic says it all We, yes, we the empire players are sick to bloody death of you attempting to get us into a postion where you can gank, own, kill, **, murder, slap whatever you want to call it. You choose to play your game time one way, we choose another. 0.0 is the msot lucrative space avalible and we dont want anything to do with it, empire does not make u stupidly rich, nor does it give anyone an unfair advantage leave us alone, stop ing well having a go about missions, your inablity to cheap shot haulers and your stupid pirate antics thru lack of targets in your home regions to the 0.0 alliances, - IF YOU WANT MORE TARGETS, STOP NAPPING everyone u bloody well see around u, fight everything, good god ive been there since CA days Leave us alone, you have no right to tell us how to play OK, let me explain my compromise position: It's only just beginning.** CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:53:00 - [39] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 08/09/2008 13:53:37 Originally by: Hungo my aliance is a 0.0 alliance but i prefer empire, elss hassle, why should that be changed? Because you're getting too much ISK then, in high-sec. You said it yourself, you prefer high-sec even with 0.0 access Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:54:00 - [40] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 08/09/2008 13:54:29 LEAVE HIGH-SEC ALONE!!!one /breakdown - DesuSigs
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.09.08 13:56:00 - [41] You want us to stop using the game-given options to engage you? Hmm, let me quote someone you might actually listen to. Originally by: Hungo You choose to play your game time one way, we choose another. ...and... Originally by: Hungo ...you have no right to tell us how to play The same statements you make can be used to derail your own argument. If it can be done, we are allowed to do it, and no amount of asking nor demanding is going to change that. Sorry. We're Recruiting!
Lord Makk Phaze-9 Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2008.09.08 14:03:00 - [42] Change every highsec except starter systems to lowsec. and ofc. u get booted out of starter system after 1.5 months of noobcorp. Would make the game interesting. Jita anyone?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.08 14:03:00 - [43] Originally by: Whineroy Nawh, everything one needs to know about real whining is taught by ganker nerds... And the incredible whining about "unfair" that results when said ganker nerds are slapped back after they've spewed endless arrogant insults at "carebears". Oh the good ol' days when there were real pirates with some professionalism, instead of ganker nerds who consider themselves to be superior form of Eve player. Carebear alts are getting desperate now. It shows. Afraid CCP might actually nerf you for once?
Kur'Dekaija League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.09.08 14:05:00 - [44] Empire carebears need to die!!!!!!!!! die!!!!! rawr.. wardeck.. killmail.. epeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!!!!!!! Its all good stuff.. ppl should try it ones in a while.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.09.08 14:12:00 - [45] Originally by: Kur'Dekaija epeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!!!!!!! ^ This is the true face of every EvE Player. We're Recruiting!
Naga Elohim Amarr Forsaken Death Squad	Posted - 2008.09.08 14:13:00 - [46] He has a point. Im a pirate and I understand his concerns. I guess as pirates we need to hold ourself to standards and start to care about who we shoot or who we war dec. After all, pod pilots are people too. We should be considerate. As Pirates, we should be role models.... lol ok enough of that. Dude get over it! If you dont want any crap be more careful. 1. Don't Jetcan mine 2. Dont auto pilot 3. Dont afk at gates 4. Dont haul billions of loot in 1 haul 5. Fit a cloak and some warp stabs on your hauler Follow those rules and no one can touch you. My alt lives by those rules and only has a kill mail from self destruction. My alt had been on eve for a year now and no one can do anything to be because i close all my vulnerabilities. As a pirate, if you follow those rules, it makes it harder for me to be efective, and at the same time i find out ways ither more clever ways to getcha. Adapt, Change, Evolve.... I gotta admit though, the can flipping gets carebears mostly all the time. lol
Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.09.08 14:27:00 - [47] Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 08/09/2008 14:29:12 I always find the threads where pirates whine that carebears are taking over Eve, having forgotten that.. - CCP buffed pirates by making freighters drop loot (which set the stage for the whole empire-suicide-ganking love fest that seems to have been recently nerfed) - CCP buffed pirates with current scanning system that pushed most of the mission runners out of lowsec and allowed highsec pirates to filch salvage risk-free, or loot if they have the stones for it. - CCP buffed pirates via the introduction of the HIC focused scram script, which pushed most of the heavy-duty haulers out of lowsec. Of course, I don't have any issues with pirates (as a weekend-yarrer myself on occasion...), or people who PvP in any of the established venues in Eve that support that. BUT.. a whole category of pirates makes their living, and has always made their living, by dancing around the rules - be it tanking CONCORD, the Privateers, or anyone who cashed in on freighter ganks while it was still lucrative. And even though I know the Eve General Forums are a kind of twilight zone where very obvious intentions hold no merit when compared to the way things are actually implemented, and common sense appears to be a very uncommon commodity, it still surprises me that so many people come out of the woodwork when some not-an-exploit-but-not-really-what-we-meant gets patched by CCP. Doesn't always mean I agree with the fix (particularly in regards to suicide ganks - I would have gone with freighter rebalancing), but I still see why it happens and why it's needed. I've taken my turn getting beat about the head and shoulders with the nerf bat more than once. Sure I cried a little, but for the most part I figured out how to deal with it and went on. ---
Hungo Minmatar Research And Tactics Zeta Tau Epsilon	Posted - 2008.09.08 15:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Ruze I am within your sphere of influence. You affect me on a day to day basis. One of these days I'm going to get really tired of being ripped off on the market, your having you and your corp constantly spamming the place I live in. Then I'm going to spend my entire measly life savings, to have a merc corp track down every one of your members, war dec your corp, and follow you for a month. yah okay, i very much doubt this but go ahead, go knwos we could do with a few targetsm the last ccorp brought 23 agaisnt our 6 n lost n they where mercs So do go ahead, god knws we are bored enuff
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.08 15:42:00 - [49] Originally by: Mankirks Wife - CCP buffed pirates by making freighters drop loot (which set the stage for the whole empire-suicide-ganking love fest that seems to have been recently nerfed) This was not a pirate buff. This was a fix to bring freighters in line with every other ship in the game. The reason they didn't drop loot earlier was that the server couldn't handle it. Now the server can handle it, so there's no reason for them not to drop loot. Piracy hasn't benefitted much from this change. It's rare for a pirate to ever happen upon a freighter, and freighter suicide ganks were never as common as some people like to believe. Originally by: Mankirks Wife - CCP buffed pirates with current scanning system that pushed most of the mission runners out of lowsec and allowed highsec pirates to filch salvage risk-free, or loot if they have the stones for it. The reason for the new probing system was exploration, so it really was a buff to PvE. Pirates have just adapted and turned it into a tool. You might find it hard to believe, but some, if not most, pirates would like to see a more complex probing system where actual skill plays a part. We are also aware of the fact that the new system has deteriorated the low sec situation even further. Originally by: Mankirks Wife - CCP buffed pirates via the introduction of the HIC focused scram script, which pushed most of the heavy-duty haulers out of lowsec. HICs were introduced as a response to carebear whines about super capitals camping low sec gates. You got what you whined for, and now you whine that the solution has benefitted pirates as well. Well, tough *******, you should have learned that lesson when you whined for can flagging mechanics. None of these three are buffs to pirates. Instead, pirates have adapted to new mechanics and turned them against the bears. Piracy itself hasn't had a buff since... well, since forever.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.08 15:54:00 - [50] Originally by: Ruze I am within your sphere of influence. You affect me on a day to day basis. One of these days I'm going to get really tired of being ripped off on the market, your having you and your corp constantly spamming the place I live in. Then I'm going to spend my entire measly life savings, to have a merc corp track down every one of your members, war dec your corp, and follow you for a month. I must say that it's interesting to see how your posting style has evolved after just a couple of weeks of trying to reason with these people. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.08 15:57:00 - [51] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Ruze I am within your sphere of influence. You affect me on a day to day basis. One of these days I'm going to get really tired of being ripped off on the market, your having you and your corp constantly spamming the place I live in. Then I'm going to spend my entire measly life savings, to have a merc corp track down every one of your members, war dec your corp, and follow you for a month. I must say that it's interesting to see how your posting style has evolved after just a couple of weeks of trying to reason with these people. It evolved from awful to bad? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.08 16:25:00 - [52] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Ruze I am within your sphere of influence. You affect me on a day to day basis. One of these days I'm going to get really tired of being ripped off on the market, your having you and your corp constantly spamming the place I live in. Then I'm going to spend my entire measly life savings, to have a merc corp track down every one of your members, war dec your corp, and follow you for a month. I must say that it's interesting to see how your posting style has evolved after just a couple of weeks of trying to reason with these people. Yeah, it was a figurative example if anything. Not that I'd hire mercs. As much as I respect them, I don't like 'em. And amazingly enough, I don't experience lag, even in Penirgman on Sunday evenings. I try and play what interests me at the time, and am frankly a little bored at the moment. But you'll never stop the people like me or Anna up above who think we're witty and charming and have the freedom to insert our asinine comments wherever we so choose. Eh, whatever. Even the forums are getting boring. To your point, you need to diversify, even your style and manner of argument. Too many people have commented that I'm 'reasonable' and 'fair minded' lately. Felt a few posts with straightforward bias needed to be made to squash that opinion Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.09.08 16:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Kur'Dekaija Empire carebears need to die!!!!!!!!! die!!!!! rawr.. wardeck.. killmail.. epeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!!!!!!! Its all good stuff.. ppl should try it ones in a while. oh my gooses, Kur! We would never ever think of causing trouble for the good people of empire, would we? [/url]
Neth'Rae Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.08 16:39:00 - [54] Originally by: Tippia Because "less hassle" shouldn't be a part of the ≡v≡ gameplay. Again define hassle, what it is to you might be totally different to everyone else. Humans, by their very nature choose the path of least resistance and make life easier for themselves. Tell me when was the last time you chose a game to relax, after work, because it was a ton of hassle and stressed you out? At a very basic level, more hassle = less customers. Less customers = CCP go pop. CCP go pop = no more eve. If you wanted "less hassle" you wouldn't be playing EVE :P You'd be playing WoW.. And btw, pvp is usually alot of hassle when it comes to finding targets.. and it's usually a bit stressful once you manage to find a target, I get a huge adrenalin rush at least... Dey see me trollin, dey hatin, moddin they tryin to catch me postin dirty..
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.08 16:45:00 - [55] Originally by: Neth'Rae If you wanted "less hassle" you wouldn't be playing EVE :P You'd be playing WoW.. And btw, pvp is usually alot of hassle when it comes to finding targets.. and it's usually a bit stressful once you manage to find a target, I get a huge adrenalin rush at least... Am I the only player who uses other games for that PvP rush? I mean, I go play PlanetSide or Battlefield 2 when I'm looking for that kind of single-minded, adrenaline-pumping PvP. They work better, they require less effort and time, they provide the same sense of gratification when the other guy goes down from a clean snipe ... Play the game as it's suited, in my opinion. EvE is for living in. Hisec, losec, nulsec ... it's where my character LIVES. I don't 'go over there' just to PvP. I go to make a difference, to defend my friends, to make a little money. If I want mindless mobtastic bunny hopping, I might try WoW for an hour. If I want fast, intense action, I'll try PlanetSide. If I want really nice and in-depth PvE, I got me some KOTOR on the other machine. When I want some gritty realism, something with a kick like a shooter of Jack, then I play EvE. EvE is for grownups and dissidents, ssholes and bitter old men. God, I hope they don't change that. Originally by:* CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
TylerJames XERCORE	Posted - 2008.09.08 16:46:00 - [56] Originally by: sakana define 'balls' Mountain oysters?
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.09.08 16:54:00 - [57] Dear Lord! Back off lads! He's got a keyboard, with a nail through it!!!... ...M'kay, I believe the problem with High sec being too rewarding is a lot of alliances actually rely on a small horde of alts grinding missions for isk to prop up their 0.0 operations. The problem (and target of much ænerf!Æ- rage) isn't so much Little Johnny-wouldnÆt-harm-a-capsule, solo-mission-runner, who is just dreaming of his faction Battleship, itÆs those damn grubby little alts... -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.08 17:17:00 - [58] Edited by: Shosoru on 08/09/2008 17:19:00 Hungo Why should i pirate in 0.0 , 0.0 is empty and there are no carebare that whine , no really expensive ships for mission howering etc. 0.0 is cool but every once in a while you just have to kill them highsec hunger's. If this game is to ruff your you, then you should.....bla bla ....bla....World of Warcraft. I look foreword to killing you soon. With best regards The guy on the kill mail. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.09.08 17:29:00 - [59] Originally by: Shosoru Edited by: Shosoru on 08/09/2008 17:19:00 Hungo Why should i pirate in 0.0 , 0.0 is empty and there are no carebare that whine , no really expensive ships for mission howering etc. 0.0 is cool but every once in a while you just have to kill them highsec hunger's. If this game is to ruff your you, then you should.....bla bla ....bla....World of Warcraft. I look foreword to killing you soon. With best regards The guy on the kill mail. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Smokums	Posted - 2008.09.08 17:52:00 - [60] There is one good reason to leave the highsec missions alone. That reason is specifically that people can make some moderate ISK without having to go to 0.0 and put up with megalomaniac alliance bosses who think Eve > RL. I just couldn't stand the damn place. If I wanted a second job, I'd get one that pays real money. On the other hand, in Eve you can kill your boss as much as you want, and that's a serious plus.
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:02:00 - [61] Originally by: heheheh hehehe i love these paranoid people that assume everyone out of high sec is out to get them. What people dont realise is we live happily in low sec making so much more ISK than you and we never ever get popped. 1 - they are out to get you. i know i am. 2 - i go into high sec to make money. - -
Euriti Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:05:00 - [62] Originally by: Smokums There is one good reason to leave the highsec missions alone. That reason is specifically that people can make some moderate ISK without having to go to 0.0 and put up with megalomaniac alliance bosses who think Eve > RL. I just couldn't stand the damn place. If I wanted a second job, I'd get one that pays real money. On the other hand, in Eve you can kill your boss as much as you want, and that's a serious plus. Your lack of insight is disturbing.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:10:00 - [63] Originally by: Smokums If I wanted a second job, I'd get one that pays real money. So, what you are essentially saying is that you are a isk farmer?
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:14:00 - [64] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Oh no the people who thought they 'understood' Eve are in a nerd rage 'cos the Devs just told them all they don't, actually, have a clue what CCPs vision was/is and gave them all a steaming hot cup of STFU by nerfing suicide ganking. More cups of STFU will be served for anyone else who thinks they 'get' Eve when the war dec nerf is announced. To Ze Forums! F-5, F-5, F-5. You should really run instanced quests on guild wars with a party of 7 players who can't attack each other, i think it would be more your style. Seriously, without flaming. CCP take note of this post i've quoted, shame on you if you really do want to cater to this type of player.
Xonkra Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:14:00 - [65] Originally by: Hungo Leave us alone, you have no right to tell us how to play hypocrite --------- Founder of the Hug-a-troll initiative Hug a forum troll because they can probably use it !
Xaziar Nortocus Forces Unknown Inc	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:17:00 - [66] Originally by: Jones Bones Play their way or leave! Get down to 0.0 and join the laggy blobfests now you useless carebear! hmmm....using the vulnerabilities of nodes to one side's advantage by flooding it beyond belief....thanks...but no thanks! --------------------------------------------------
Temp Boi D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:23:00 - [67] Originally by: Hungo leave us alone, stop ****ing well having a go about missions, your inablity to cheap shot haulers and your stupid pirate antics thru lack of targets in your home regions no
Akiba Penrose The Movement	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:27:00 - [68] Originally by: Hungo Topic says it all We, yes, we the empire players are sick to bloody death of you attempting to get us into a postion where you can gank, own, kill, **, murder, slap whatever you want to call it. You choose to play your game time one way, we choose another. 0.0 is the msot lucrative space avalible and we dont want anything to do with it, empire does not make u stupidly rich, nor does it give anyone an unfair advantage leave us alone, stop **ing well having a go about missions, your inablity to cheap shot haulers and your stupid pirate antics thru lack of targets in your home regions to the 0.0 alliances, - IF YOU WANT MORE TARGETS, STOP NAPPING everyone u bloody well see around u, fight everything, good god ive been there since CA days Leave us alone, you have no right to tell us how to play Woot?!? Chris Crocker is playing EVE?
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.09.08 18:29:00 - [69] Originally by: Akiba Penrose Originally by: Hungo Topic says it all We, yes, we the empire players are sick to bloody death of you attempting to get us into a postion where you can gank, own, kill, **, murder, slap whatever you want to call it. You choose to play your game time one way, we choose another. 0.0 is the msot lucrative space avalible and we dont want anything to do with it, empire does not make u stupidly rich, nor does it give anyone an unfair advantage leave us alone, stop **ing well having a go about missions, your inablity to cheap shot haulers and your stupid pirate antics thru lack of targets in your home regions to the 0.0 alliances, - IF YOU WANT MORE TARGETS, STOP NAPPING everyone u bloody well see around u, fight everything, good god ive been there since CA days Leave us alone, you have no right to tell us how to play Woot?!? Chris Crocker is playing EVE? haha!
Karentaki Gallente Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.09.08 19:17:00 - [70] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Why should I back off? You carebears taught the Eve community how to get changes made: whine, whine and then whine some more. Now it's our turn. Live with it or quit. QFT Quote: EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
Feilamya Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.09.08 20:27:00 - [71] Originally by: Hungo You choose to play your game time one way, we choose another. No, you don't. You are still here.
Methesda	Posted - 2008.09.08 20:46:00 - [72] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Oh no the people who thought they 'understood' Eve are in a nerd rage 'cos the Devs just told them all they don't, actually, have a clue what CCPs vision was/is and gave them all a steaming hot cup of STFU by nerfing suicide ganking. More cups of STFU will be served for anyone else who thinks they 'get' Eve when the war dec nerf is announced. To Ze Forums! F-5, F-5, F-5. Don't think for a second that suicide gankers suffer from any kind of nerd rage. And don't think that CCP nerfed suicide ganking because it was against CCPs 'vision'. It was all about subs. You aren't safe. If anyone here is displaying nerd rage it's you. We will find another way to fleece, outbid, thieve, scam, harass, and pod you. Count on it. And I can guarantee two things. 1) The next time it happens, you and your ilk will start complaining, and when enough of you cancel CCP will nerf that too. 2) You are weak. You entire eve life will be spent funding others who are not, before you finally go to the recycle biomass queue. MUHAHAHAHA. Originally by: northwesten troll? learn what a troll is moron!
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.09.08 21:04:00 - [73] Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/09/2008 21:06:18 The entire high-sec security topic is like one big game of "NO, YOU!" The only problem is that more people enjoy this game on the easy difficulty setting, and its leaving those of us who like to play on hard out in the cold (even when I do carebear in Empire, I start to feel bored if there is no threat of being ganked, I mean; what's fun about AFK hauling? To paraphrase a dev: It's bascially like making a conscious decision not to have fun). And yet at the same time, people fail to see how having an open market-place under those conditions makes it unfair for those that do not take maximum advantage of the high-sec safe zone..... That combined with the fact that CCP actions would seem to indicate they care way more about subs than the integrity of their game (at least with regard to previous statements about their vision).... The way I see it is they are currently trading long term viability for short term profit. -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Piru Industrial	Posted - 2008.09.08 22:04:00 - [74] i don think the OP should post on the forums anymore metal legs
Piper Halliwell Minmatar Phantom Squad	Posted - 2008.09.08 22:53:00 - [75] This thread needs more smack tbh. Seriously how ****ing 3rd grade can you get. The game is that way -----> Duke it out there ffs...you know like in local. -------------------- You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.
Hungo Minmatar Research And Tactics Zeta Tau Epsilon	Posted - 2008.09.08 23:00:00 - [76] I find it highly amusing that your egos are not permitting you to even remotley see the point In what way can a pvp base get to decide how others play 1. lvl 4's in low sec - This is so pirates can get cheap ganks 2. Misions in 0.0 - Again so 0.0 piltos can get cheap ganks 3. Remvoe people from newb corps just because? - again so empire tards can get cheap kilsl from war deccing non pvp base There is a single pice of merit in any of your arguments
Piper Halliwell Minmatar Phantom Squad	Posted - 2008.09.08 23:06:00 - [77] Originally by: Hungo I find it highly amusing that your egos are not permitting you to even remotley see the point In what way can a pvp base get to decide how others play 1. lvl 4's in low sec - This is so pirates can get cheap ganks 2. Misions in 0.0 - Again so 0.0 piltos can get cheap ganks 3. Remvoe people from newb corps just because? - again so empire tards can get cheap kilsl from war deccing non pvp base There is a single pice of merit in any of your arguments Cry more. You carebears do it all the freaking time and get your way, so keep up the good work -------------------- You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.
Titan Pilot Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.09.08 23:20:00 - [78] Good luck with your new character after you biomass this one. Remember to contract your stuff before you do. Little tip: Your post put you in the same category as the ugly crowd at school...nobody wants to associate and everybody wants to make fun of you. Not cool. P.S. EVE is sandbox play. CCP would never kill empire too much because alot of 0.0 players rely on their mission running alts in Empire to fund pew pew. Alliances mostly collect loot. And thats the truth. If you were in 0.0 since the CA days you would know how many people sometimes take a few days off to recover a big loss in fleet OPs
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.09.08 23:24:00 - [79] Originally by: Hungo You choose to play your game time one way, we choose another. If it was your call to make, you might have a point. Nobody gets to opt out of PvP in this game. Deal or squeal. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Deitre Cibrus You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.09.09 00:47:00 - [80] Originally by: Hungo I find it highly amusing that your egos are not permitting you to even remotley see the point In what way can a pvp base get to decide how others play 1. lvl 4's in low sec - This is so pirates can get cheap ganks 2. Misions in 0.0 - Again so 0.0 piltos can get cheap ganks 3. Remvoe people from newb corps just because? - again so empire tards can get cheap kilsl from war deccing non pvp base There is a single pice of merit in any of your arguments lmao ----------- Originally by: Santiago Cortes Please don't derail your own thread. What is this sig missing? Pretty colours? -Conuion Not true! Has plenty -Deitre
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.09.09 02:12:00 - [81] Originally by: Hungo I find it highly amusing that your egos are not permitting you to even remotley see the point In what way can a pvp base get to decide how others play 1. lvl 4's in low sec - This is so pirates can get cheap ganks 2. Misions in 0.0 - Again so 0.0 piltos can get cheap ganks 3. Remvoe people from newb corps just because? - again so empire tards can get cheap kilsl from war deccing non pvp base There is a single pice of merit in any of your arguments there is, its you risk your ass in lowsec, (which is quite safe) and barely get any more reward than from highsec. not to mention that highsec veldspar is (or was I haven't run the numbers recently) just as good as any lowsec ore. and certain parts of 0.0. as for lv4s in lowsec, given the pwnsauce concord is I really don't think it makes any sense to have pirates in highsec at all. so yea... (but for game play reasons I don't personally want to remove them) as for 0.0 missions, well them parts are rather well protected and controlled by alliances. pirate lp stores are quite good. easy ganks are rather easy to come by. that and why shouldn't people join a corp. as long as you don't flash your bling around, or **** people off you should avoid wars quite nicely.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.09 02:24:00 - [82] as someone who regularly runs L4s in Hi-sec, earnt many billions doing it practically AFK (thanks FOFs!) and never lost a ship to them, ever I think they need a nerf. - Infectious -
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.09.09 02:40:00 - [83] Originally by: Rawr Cristina as someone who regularly runs L4s in Hi-sec, earnt many billions doing it practically AFK (thanks FOFs!) and never lost a ship to them, ever I think they need a nerf. hmm, maybe I should be training fofs and not torps for my golem alt then
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.09 02:44:00 - [84] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Rawr Cristina as someone who regularly runs L4s in Hi-sec, earnt many billions doing it practically AFK (thanks FOFs!) and never lost a ship to them, ever I think they need a nerf. hmm, maybe I should be training fofs and not torps for my golem alt then I do it in a Nighthawk Only annoying thing is FOFs fire at the stupid buildings and stuff - Infectious -
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.09.09 02:47:00 - [85] Originally by: heheheh hehehe i love these paranoid people that assume everyone out of high sec is out to get them. Actually, I really am out to kill them. No hard feelings or anything, thats just how it is. The scorpion stings because that's it's nature. Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
Solomon XI Hoist The Colors.	Posted - 2008.09.09 03:03:00 - [86] sniffs the air I smell ... a war-deck coming your way, little care-bear.. sniffs the air Smells like somebody is gunna die real soon like ... sniffs the air Smells like blood, that it does. -------------------- I play both sides, PvP and PvE and let me tell you --- I want missions to be harder for the ISK they pay out, making them more fun. Why should I be able to perma-tank an entire room and go eat, get laid, sleep, and come back, without the risk of dying? ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO)
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.09 04:05:00 - [87] I dont know whats worse, the OP carebear crying or his sig where it says he is death incarnate. Please, jump into traffic
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.09.09 05:44:00 - [88] Or else what? -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.09 06:49:00 - [89] Originally by: Gonada I dont know whats worse, the OP carebear crying or his sig where it says he is death incarnate. Have you ever noticed the inverse correlation between the aggressiveness of a character's name/bio/sig and the player's combat skill? Character has Shadow/Killer/Blood/Slayer/Dark/Master in his name? Means that Mr Bloodshadow Darkslayer will whine like a little girl when you pop his T1 frigate and quite likely add 250k to your bounty. Robert Oppenheimer quote? Means that he can run Worlds Collide IV in less than 20 minutes. Corp title is "Star Admiral of the Inquisition"? Means that he will station tank an entire war-dec after losing 1 T1-fitted cruiser on the first day Sun Tzu quote in the bio? Mean that he always warps to planet 1 at 0Km if a non-blue appears on his overview. And so forth. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2008.09.09 08:24:00 - [90] I live in empire and I run a lot of missions, and I can't believe the nerve of the OP to assume he speaks for all of us. **** you for putting your pathetic words in my mouth. Oh, and go back to school/stop typing like a child. --
Doonoo Boonoo	Posted - 2008.09.09 09:35:00 - [91] Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Oh no the people who thought they 'understood' Eve are in a nerd rage 'cos the Devs just told them all they don't, actually, have a clue what CCPs vision was/is and gave them all a steaming hot cup of STFU by nerfing suicide ganking. More cups of STFU will be served for anyone else who thinks they 'get' Eve when the war dec nerf is announced. To Ze Forums! F-5, F-5, F-5. You should really run instanced quests on guild wars with a party of 7 players who can't attack each other, i think it would be more your style. Seriously, without flaming. CCP take note of this post i've quoted, shame on you if you really do want to cater to this type of player. This type of player? How can you tell what type of player I am just by reading my post?I'm someone who calls it as I see it and the fact is that my statement is true. Too many people have misunderstood CCPs intentions and are now being told by CCP Devs that they are wrong. A CCP employee recently said: 'Cold harsh universe does not mean griefers paradise' Didn't you get the memo? Seeing as how everything you have in game is owned by CCP and you are playing on CCPs server it should be obvious that CCP are running the game-Not whiney carebears or nerdy gankers. If anybody disagrees with CCP or refuses to accept their rules they have the option to cancel their account.
Doonoo Boonoo	Posted - 2008.09.09 09:55:00 - [92] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette HICs were introduced as a response to carebear whines about super capitals camping low sec gates. You got what you whined for, and now you whine that the solution has benefitted pirates as well. Rubbish. Having a ship which can't be warp jammed was imba. Did whiney carebears get Titans nerfed as well? btw I've read some of your( Ki Ans) opinions and statements on carebears, PvP and war decs and I'm sure CCP have as well. imo your statements have done more to get war decs nerfed than any carebear whine because you, more or less, confirmed to CCP that war decs are being used for 'grief' play. The fact is you have previously claimed 'ccp are not looking to reign in griefers' and you also confidently predicted there would be 'no nerf to suicide ganking' so why should anyone listen to what you think or your opinions when you are frequently and consistently wrong?
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2008.09.09 10:18:00 - [93] Originally by: Hungo Topic says it all We, yes, we the empire players are sick to bloody death of you attempting to get us into a postion where you can gank, own, kill, **, murder, slap whatever you want to call it. You choose to play your game time one way, we choose another. 0.0 is the msot lucrative space avalible and we dont want anything to do with it, empire does not make u stupidly rich, nor does it give anyone an unfair advantage leave us alone, stop **ing well having a go about missions, your inablity to cheap shot haulers and your stupid pirate antics thru lack of targets in your home regions to the 0.0 alliances, - IF YOU WANT MORE TARGETS, STOP NAPPING everyone u bloody well see around u, fight everything, good god ive been there since CA days Leave us alone, you have no right to tell us how to play your all ready in the position your trying to avoid so g'luck with that
RagnhildR tu Caldari IRON CROSS LEGION	Posted - 2008.09.09 11:31:00 - [94] I'm in 0.5 atm I've recently joined a Player Corp, imo High Sec missions are useful, they allow players to build up funds, skills etc. If they do as some posters suggest and nerf high sec. they'll get what they want, and that's their epeens stroked. With High Sec. nerfed there would be no new players to come into Low Sec/Null Sec. to challenge their ownership of "Their Game" The missions in High Sec don't pay out a lot of ISK, the drops are mostly rubbish, so where people get the idea that people in High Sec are rolling in billions of isk I don't know. My ship is a Ferox, it's uninsured and will remain so until i can afford to insure it, the reason for this is when i do missions I take damage, repairing it costs isk, which i work to get. Having someone come along and blow a ship out from under you is a pain. It costs people real time and money, (and before any witless fool says isk buyer, think again numbnuts). I have to pay game subs, phone and broadband, so when you take your 5mins of fun you are stealing from me. That's what ticks people off, a bunch of thieves thinking they own the game. Make the universe a better friendlier place, NUKE JITA.... Someone PLEASE? What are you doing in my pod? GTFO!
My'kel An'jelo Amarr Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.09.09 11:40:00 - [95] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWSjUe0FyxQ
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.09.09 11:44:00 - [96] Originally by: RagnhildR tu The missions in High Sec don't pay out a lot of ISK, the drops are mostly rubbish, so where people get the idea that people in High Sec are rolling in billions of isk I don't know. What level missions are you running? How fast do you run them? Do you salvage? What do you do with the LP? They pay well enough — even in a battlecruiser, L4s will pull in 15mil per hour. If you're flying something with more oomph, the time required drops drastically, and the ISK/h increases. Quote: My ship is a Ferox, it's uninsured and will remain so until i can afford to insure it, the reason for this is when i do missions I take damage, repairing it costs isk, which i work to get. You're doing it wrong. Fix your tank. You should never have to repair in-station after a mission. Quote: Having someone come along and blow a ship out from under you is a pain. […] so when you take your 5mins of fun you are stealing from me. That's what ticks people off, a bunch of thieves thinking they own the game. It's a PvP game. Live with it. The purpose of ships is to blow up — it's what keeps the game going.
DarthJosh Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.09 11:47:00 - [97] Edited by: DarthJosh on 09/09/2008 11:47:21 so when youre playing a game that has npcs that keep raiding your space, and you find yourself this nice lot, and settle. would you honestly expect those npcs not to invade your space? and be all "leave me alone npc!!" when they do? are you sure you know how eve is played? - Desusigs!
RagnhildR tu Caldari IRON CROSS LEGION	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:06:00 - [98] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: RagnhildR tu The missions in High Sec don't pay out a lot of ISK, the drops are mostly rubbish, so where people get the idea that people in High Sec are rolling in billions of isk I don't know. What level missions are you running? How fast do you run them? Do you salvage? What do you do with the LP? They pay well enough — even in a battlecruiser, L4s will pull in 15mil per hour. If you're flying something with more oomph, the time required drops drastically, and the ISK/h increases. At present I'm having difficulties managing a L2 Recon, I've been trying various fits, but none of them seem to work, I dunno maybe it's just me! Quote: My ship is a Ferox, it's uninsured and will remain so until i can afford to insure it, the reason for this is when i do missions I take damage, repairing it costs isk, which i work to get. You're doing it wrong. Fix your tank. You should never have to repair in-station after a mission. Most missions I don't have to repair, but when the repairs do have to be done it usually takes most of the funds I have, that's why the insurance hasn't been paid. Make the universe a better friendlier place, NUKE JITA.... Someone PLEASE? What are you doing in my pod? GTFO!
John pike	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:08:00 - [99] someone P*** on the Op's fireworks ?
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:41:00 - [100] Originally by: RagnhildR tu I'm in 0.5 atm I've recently joined a Player Corp, imo High Sec missions are useful, they allow players to build up funds, skills etc. If they do as some posters suggest and nerf high sec. they'll get what they want, and that's their epeens stroked. With High Sec. nerfed there would be no new players to come into Low Sec/Null Sec. to challenge their ownership of "Their Game" The missions in High Sec don't pay out a lot of ISK, the drops are mostly rubbish, so where people get the idea that people in High Sec are rolling in billions of isk I don't know. My ship is a Ferox, it's uninsured and will remain so until i can afford to insure it, the reason for this is when i do missions I take damage, repairing it costs isk, which i work to get. Having someone come along and blow a ship out from under you is a pain. It costs people real time and money, (and before any witless fool says isk buyer, think again numbnuts). I have to pay game subs, phone and broadband, so when you take your 5mins of fun you are stealing from me. That's what ticks people off, a bunch of thieves thinking they own the game. BTW post yr Ferox fit. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
ShadowMaiden Amarr Metal Machine	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:50:00 - [101] Originally by: Hungo Topic says it all We, yes, we the empire players are sick to bloody death of you attempting to get us into a postion where you can gank, own, kill, **, murder, slap whatever you want to call it. You choose to play your game time one way, we choose another. 0.0 is the msot lucrative space avalible and we dont want anything to do with it, empire does not make u stupidly rich, nor does it give anyone an unfair advantage leave us alone, stop **ing well having a go about missions, your inablity to cheap shot haulers and your stupid pirate antics thru lack of targets in your home regions to the 0.0 alliances, - IF YOU WANT MORE TARGETS, STOP NAPPING everyone u bloody well see around u, fight everything, good god ive been there since CA days Leave us alone, you have no right to tell us how to play And you have no right to tell us how to play either, you're just another in a long line of people who bask in the giddy illusion that people care what you think, dream on boy. It isn't your game, it's CCP's, and not only have you no say in how EvE should be run, your monthly subscription payment helps fund the effort of those who do. How do you like them ironic apples? I wish I was a 3ft Doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Piper Halliwell Minmatar Phantom Squad	Posted - 2008.09.09 19:16:00 - [102] Now that the OP is getting very popular in game he has decided to say it was a dare. Nice try but I don't bite. Enjoy the war dec's and lots of deaths. Cheers m8 -------------------- You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.

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