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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:58:00 -
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This is starting to get really old really fast. It's as if people are trying to smear literally anything they can get their hands on, on Mittens.
How desperate can you get? This must be a new level of internet lawyer-dom.
Suicide is not a bargaining chip people; if you have issues -- and even the slightest intention of doing something about it -- you would be seeking professional help, not ~threatening~ people over the internet (of all mediums  ) with suicide.
Now, I know people aren't angry about this because someone claimed to be suicidal; you're angry because Mittens pulled a 'name and shame' out of his hat and essentially said "go find this guy". It is also debatable which party is responsible; is it Mittens, or is it 'The Wis'? This actually isn't really important in the big picture because both are subject to human nature and chaos (if it can be done, some(one) will eventually do it). Hence we can't blame Mittens for talking about it, and we can't blame The Wis for typing it in the first place.
But here's where the victimization element comes into play:
Of the following, who is easier to feel sympathy and/or empathy for?
Goonswarm CEO "douche bag extraordinaire" The Mittani, or Random-person "poor sod" The Wis?
Your personal choice is probably going to differ from mine, but I'm personally leaning towards Mittens, if only because The Wis used suicide as a bargaining chip. That and I don't have a bad opinion of Goonswar- ah; see...
Right there is the real problem. The people making the biggest fuss about this really just don't like Goonswarm or The Mittani regardless (this is a generalization, apply reason). The real tragedy is that they are using The Wis as a straw man (whether they realise it or not is irrelevant); an excuse for attacks on someone whom they don't like.
I could also be wrong and people genuinely care about and want to defend someone they've never met, talked to, or even cared about before Mittens brought it up. Excuse me if I find that a little hard to believe until someone shows me a documentary about The Wis being a person with actual issues IRL and being unable to deal with them.
If you really care about this person, I challenge you to run a charity to get him professional help and counselling.
Take that as you will; but you should probably just do as the ex-attorney said and
The Mittani wrote:deal with it~
This is a terrible thread, with an even worse topic, inevitably posted by people who just can't let anything slip.
Or maybe it's all a trap taken just a bit too far; nobody knows but Mittens (I'll be waiting for his official statement).
Brought to you by 'not-an-internet-lawyer'.
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Anthrax jay
OMER Science Technology
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:06:00 -
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I suffer from BPD with psychosis, I've been suicidal many times, and I find this extremely offensive to me and other members of the community who are also mentally ill.
I wish for him to be removed and form the CSM as I do not want anyone who thinks less of mentally ill people on the CSM, as this is showing him as leading part of the community who he is meant to represent.
I personally do not want him there because of that, and CCP should take appropriate action against him and other players who think the same way.
- Adam |
Bane Necran
134
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:07:00 -
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JamesCLK, that's a very good collection of 'points' Goons have repeated over and over, no matter how many times they've been shown to be incorrect. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2231
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:09:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:JamesCLK, that's a very good collection of 'points' Goons have repeated over and over, no matter how many times they've been shown to be incorrect.
That would be zero times.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Marius Duvall
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:11:00 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:Marius Duvall wrote:Frankly, the idiot threatening suicide over internet pixels should disgust you more. What's wrong with you?
I suffer from a horrible mental disorder called "critical thinking." |
Marius Duvall
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:13:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:All it takes is for the guy to actually go through with suicide and then CCP would find themselves sued by the parents/siblings/wife/gf. Or the guy himself could actually sue for mental anguish caused. It's well known that people in the US sue for anything under the sun if they think they can cash in.
No matter if it was the alliance panel and not directly involving CCP, it was at a venue owned/rented by CCP and as such they would be responsible for whatever happens in it.
Based on what legal precedent? |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
282
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:13:00 -
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The discussion after the article on that site is pretty typical. Yet more people who tried EVE and failed at it finding yet more excuses for why they quit.
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Marius Duvall
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:14:00 -
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Anthrax jay wrote:I suffer from BPD with psychosis, I've been suicidal many times, and I find this extremely offensive to me and other members of the community who are also mentally ill.
I wish for him to be removed and form the CSM as I do not want anyone who thinks less of mentally ill people on the CSM, as this is showing him as leading part of the community who he is meant to represent.
I personally do not want him there because of that, and CCP should take appropriate action against him and other players who think the same way.
- Adam
Jesus christ, kill yourself you whiny ****. |
Anthrax jay
OMER Science Technology
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:17:00 -
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Marius Duvall wrote:Anthrax jay wrote:I suffer from BPD with psychosis, I've been suicidal many times, and I find this extremely offensive to me and other members of the community who are also mentally ill.
I wish for him to be removed and form the CSM as I do not want anyone who thinks less of mentally ill people on the CSM, as this is showing him as leading part of the community who he is meant to represent.
I personally do not want him there because of that, and CCP should take appropriate action against him and other players who think the same way.
- Adam Jesus christ, kill yourself you whiny ****.
Get a life you lowlife scum, we don't need people like you in this community at all |
Marius Duvall
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
25
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:22:00 -
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Anthrax jay wrote:Marius Duvall wrote:Anthrax jay wrote:I suffer from BPD with psychosis, I've been suicidal many times, and I find this extremely offensive to me and other members of the community who are also mentally ill.
I wish for him to be removed and form the CSM as I do not want anyone who thinks less of mentally ill people on the CSM, as this is showing him as leading part of the community who he is meant to represent.
I personally do not want him there because of that, and CCP should take appropriate action against him and other players who think the same way.
- Adam Jesus christ, kill yourself you whiny ****. Get a life you lowlife scum, we don't need people like you in this community at all
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2236
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:23:00 -
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Anthrax jay wrote:I suffer from BPD with psychosis, I've been suicidal many times, and I find this extremely offensive to me and other members of the community who are also mentally ill.
I wish for him to be removed and form the CSM as I do not want anyone who thinks less of mentally ill people on the CSM, as this is showing him as leading part of the community who he is meant to represent.
I personally do not want him there because of that, and CCP should take appropriate action against him and other players who think the same way.
- Adam
People who are mentally unstable probably shouldn't be playing Eve.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
97
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:23:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:JamesCLK, that's a very good collection of 'points' Goons have repeated over and over, no matter how many times they've been shown to be incorrect.
If it were a collection I wouldn't bother with the lack of quotes; it is my own opinion and logic.
This really is just a forum war fuelled by hatred or support for The Mittani and I think a big part of it has to do with how much controversy a community-born entity such as goonswarm has been able to accumulate.
Even if Mittens stepped down, the next big goon would step up and assume direct control; and the only thing that would have changed is that the CSM could lose a very valuable chairman. It would literally be in the best interests for CCP, the CSM and EVE as a franchise (and hence us as consumers) if this was swept under the rug and forgotten about (it will be forgotten eventually).
But it's probably too late now; begun, the flame war has (it's a terrible meme, sorry). |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
113
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:24:00 -
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Honstly, I hope the Mittani steps down. It was so far beyond the boundaries of okay. At his age, he should know better. Or is he 12? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2240
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:26:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:It was so far beyond the boundaries of okay.
NPC corp alts don't really set the boundaries of what is and isn't okay.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas
The Paganism Alliance
29
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:27:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Honstly, I hope the Mittani steps down. It was so far beyond the boundaries of okay. At his age, he should know better. Or is he 12?
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Well, you did see his costume didn't you ?  |
Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:27:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Anthrax jay wrote:I suffer from BPD with psychosis, I've been suicidal many times, and I find this extremely offensive to me and other members of the community who are also mentally ill.
I wish for him to be removed and form the CSM as I do not want anyone who thinks less of mentally ill people on the CSM, as this is showing him as leading part of the community who he is meant to represent.
I personally do not want him there because of that, and CCP should take appropriate action against him and other players who think the same way.
- Adam People who are mentally unstable probably shouldn't be playing Eve.
Heh... what do you care? As soon as Sony finishes consumating their marriage with CCP you're permabanned anyway.  |
Prince Kobol
306
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:28:00 -
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Putting aside all the Eve Forum crap, there now a wider issue that CCP, their partners and investors have to consider.
Whether the guy was telling the truth about being suicidal (I hope he really isn't) is totally irrelevant. Even if the entire mail was faked it no longer matters.
Its the fact that here you have, The Mittani, the newly re-elected Chairman of a Council elected by the players of Eve, a auditorium of players and CCP employees at an official CCP event , all being filmed and broadcast live, getting drunk and joking about somebody being suicidal.
On top of that you then have the Mittani encouraging people to contact him.
At the moment in a lot of countries Cyber Bullying is very prevalent in the news due to a spate of young people being driven to suicide.
To many people outside of the Eve community this will just come across as a bunch of drunken idiots at an official gathering encouraging other people to mock and humiliate a person who could be suicidal, and then encouraging others to mock him further.
In a lot of countries you have many people constantly trying to blame computer games for many of societies problems, something like this is pure gold to them.
The last thing CCP, their Partners and Investors want is this type of publicity.
No way you swing it, it looks very very bad
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2240
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:29:00 -
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Kai Tel wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Anthrax jay wrote:I suffer from BPD with psychosis, I've been suicidal many times, and I find this extremely offensive to me and other members of the community who are also mentally ill.
I wish for him to be removed and form the CSM as I do not want anyone who thinks less of mentally ill people on the CSM, as this is showing him as leading part of the community who he is meant to represent.
I personally do not want him there because of that, and CCP should take appropriate action against him and other players who think the same way.
- Adam People who are mentally unstable probably shouldn't be playing Eve. Heh... what do you care? As soon as Sony finishes consumating their marriage with CCP you're permabanned anyway.
Until that happens I will continue to post.
Besides, maybe after all this time SOE has forgiven me.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Obviously Confidential
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:34:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:All it takes is for the guy to actually go through with suicide and then CCP would find themselves sued by the parents/siblings/wife/gf. Or the guy himself could actually sue for mental anguish caused. It's well known that people in the US sue for anything under the sun if they think they can cash in.
No matter if it was the alliance panel and not directly involving CCP, it was at a venue owned/rented by CCP and as such they would be responsible for whatever happens in it.
Not to mention the current CCP employee and former Goon that was described by the CSM chair as "high on Xanax and loaded as f***".
This poor soul is probably sulking in a corner in Reykjavik right now, haunted by nightmares of his past substance abuse problems while avoiding human contact, cowering in bitter shame of his story being brought out into the open.
CCP should at the very least offer the services of its legal department so that poor CCP Sreegs can properly litigate and seek compensation. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:34:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Anthrax jay wrote:I suffer from BPD with psychosis, I've been suicidal many times, and I find this extremely offensive to me and other members of the community who are also mentally ill.
I wish for him to be removed and form the CSM as I do not want anyone who thinks less of mentally ill people on the CSM, as this is showing him as leading part of the community who he is meant to represent.
I personally do not want him there because of that, and CCP should take appropriate action against him and other players who think the same way.
- Adam People who are mentally unstable probably shouldn't be playing Eve.
I wonder what a psychiatrist would make of a person with 100's of alternate characters/personalities who aspires to be king of an online game....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
18
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:34:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Thanks for even more free publicity
Is there thread you don't troll unless your an Orville ( I wish i could fly) to Mittani.
But serioiusly been playing this game for a long time and had my time on the forums as well seen a lot of banter which is fine, but there are some lines that should not be crossed in the the real or virtual worlds, cyber bullying being one of them. These forums have gone down hill with the trolling in recent times, its sad to see, this was a great community once.
Ppl say things hiding behind the anonyity of the web that they would never say to someone's face and think its OK, which really says allot more about the attacker than the victim.
Sad to see really.
I won't be responding to trolls so have fun (although I may make an exception for Lady Harlot )
Tal
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
18
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:35:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Anthrax jay wrote:I suffer from BPD with psychosis, I've been suicidal many times, and I find this extremely offensive to me and other members of the community who are also mentally ill.
I wish for him to be removed and form the CSM as I do not want anyone who thinks less of mentally ill people on the CSM, as this is showing him as leading part of the community who he is meant to represent.
I personally do not want him there because of that, and CCP should take appropriate action against him and other players who think the same way.
- Adam People who are mentally unstable probably shouldn't be playing Eve.
So why do you ?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1354
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:35:00 -
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Be afraid!
In America, there are politicians just looking for an excuse to sink their claws into MMOs and this would be one of them.
It's already possible to charge people for bullying on the internet. We are dealing with people who get paid a lot of money making a crises, and hence a reason for more government power, out of EVERYTHING.
There are good people trying to get the federal government out of the nanny business but we appear to be outnumbered.
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Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:36:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Anthrax jay wrote:I suffer from BPD with psychosis, I've been suicidal many times, and I find this extremely offensive to me and other members of the community who are also mentally ill.
I wish for him to be removed and form the CSM as I do not want anyone who thinks less of mentally ill people on the CSM, as this is showing him as leading part of the community who he is meant to represent.
I personally do not want him there because of that, and CCP should take appropriate action against him and other players who think the same way.
- Adam People who are mentally unstable probably shouldn't be playing Eve. So why do you ? 
... Because hes not mentally unstable?
Bit of a dumb question. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
113
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:36:00 -
[115] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Anthrax jay wrote:I suffer from BPD with psychosis, I've been suicidal many times, and I find this extremely offensive to me and other members of the community who are also mentally ill.
I wish for him to be removed and form the CSM as I do not want anyone who thinks less of mentally ill people on the CSM, as this is showing him as leading part of the community who he is meant to represent.
I personally do not want him there because of that, and CCP should take appropriate action against him and other players who think the same way.
- Adam People who are mentally unstable probably shouldn't be playing Eve. So why do you ?
Good question |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
411
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:36:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:No bud it's you who has lost your grip on what is real and what is fiction You're the guy who thinks he's a ninja because he has a katana and 20 years of martial arts training.
lol.
But seriously. Mittani represents the majority of eve population, not just the goons. This is a lame attempt at abusing the system to override democracy. I guess its just the american way.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Anthrax jay
OMER Science Technology
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:37:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Anthrax jay wrote:I suffer from BPD with psychosis, I've been suicidal many times, and I find this extremely offensive to me and other members of the community who are also mentally ill.
I wish for him to be removed and form the CSM as I do not want anyone who thinks less of mentally ill people on the CSM, as this is showing him as leading part of the community who he is meant to represent.
I personally do not want him there because of that, and CCP should take appropriate action against him and other players who think the same way.
- Adam People who are mentally unstable probably shouldn't be playing Eve. So why do you ?
I play eve because its a game which has helped me get over my social anxieties, communicating with other people, and learning how to communicate with other people.
Without eve I wouldn't be where I am today, I am not fully better yet, I will probably never be, but the fact is that this game should not discriminate against ANYONE.
- Adam |
OfBalance
Caldari State
244
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:38:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:But seriously. Mittani represents the majority of eve population, not just the goons. This is a lame attempt at abusing the system to override democracy. I guess its just the american way.
We take our ~values~ seriously.
Now stop all that abortion and gay stuff or we'll send you to gitmo. |
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
195
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:39:00 -
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Marius Duvall wrote:Esan Vartesa wrote:Marius Duvall wrote:Frankly, the idiot threatening suicide over internet pixels should disgust you more. What's wrong with you? I suffer from a horrible mental disorder called "critical thinking."
I don't think you actually understand what critical thinking is.
There are boundaries one does not cross; boundaries set by communities, by laws, and by common sense. Encouraging someone, anyone, to hurt themselves crosses all of those. It is never "just a joke", because intentions are irrelevant... it's solely the effect on the victim that matters.
If you can't understand that, there are other mental disorders you may suffer from, and frankly most civilized people don't want to have anything to do with you.
CCP has always prided itself on using a very hands-off approach to moderating this community. I applaud that, but this time things may be going a little too far.
There have to be limits. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:39:00 -
[120] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Anthrax jay wrote:I suffer from BPD with psychosis, I've been suicidal many times, and I find this extremely offensive to me and other members of the community who are also mentally ill.
I wish for him to be removed and form the CSM as I do not want anyone who thinks less of mentally ill people on the CSM, as this is showing him as leading part of the community who he is meant to represent.
I personally do not want him there because of that, and CCP should take appropriate action against him and other players who think the same way.
- Adam People who are mentally unstable probably shouldn't be playing Eve. So why do you ?
Just because I enjoy trolling pubbies doesn't mean I'm mentally unstable. Sorry to crush your dream.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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