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Tratis Sykes
Gallente
Heavy Industry Technology and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.09.09 07:25:00 -
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Mhmm.. WoW Gamers aren't the same ppl as EvE Gamers. As mentioned before, in an hard and PvP drivven game like EvE, unbeloved 'enemys' would be banned duo to too many petitions and such. Big Alliances would be the overall rulers of EvE, even in space they don't control.
Best example is Lineage 2, where big Guilds wrote many complains about their competetors until their whole accounts where banned. Lifetime ban.
In EvE it would happen the same, sooner or later.
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.09 07:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Tratis Sykes
Mhmm.. WoW Gamers aren't the same ppl as EvE Gamers. As mentioned before, in an hard and PvP drivven game like EvE, unbeloved 'enemys' would be banned duo to too many petitions and such. Big Alliances would be the overall rulers of EvE, even in space they don't control.
Best example is Lineage 2, where big Guilds wrote many complains about their competetors until their whole accounts where banned. Lifetime ban.
In EvE it would happen the same, sooner or later.
Happened in Planetside as well, again due to the completely competetive nature of the game.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.09 07:53:00 -
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Maybe it is just me, but are there really a spam problem?
After they fixed the chatting system the amount of spam in rookie corp chat has been dramatically reduced. And I hardly encounter any kind of spam except maybe in trade hub systems. If there is a problem it must have went straight over my head.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.09 07:55:00 -
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I have a Level 44 Night Elf Druid.
Cat Form ftw.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.09.09 07:57:00 -
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Ravencrest horde 4tw...
anyway.
I play both games and both games are different, yet same. Althou lately I find it hard to log on EVE and just change skill.. Oh well needs something meaningful to do.
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.09.09 08:07:00 -
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EVE spam used to be intolerable. Over the years they have introduced several features that have cut spam down to a trickle. One of the things they did to fix the problem was to implement a Petition function. When you Petition, that person is investigated and his links flagged, his player sometimes banned; the Eve equivalent of Block. When enough people Petition, you never see that player spam again. I realize that the spammer can just create a new account, but in the meantime, it cut down on spam a great deal.
Just a suggestion.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.09 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Ravencrest horde 4tw...
anyway.
I play both games and both games are different, yet same. Althou lately I find it hard to log on EVE and just change skill.. Oh well needs something meaningful to do.
You're not the only one, what with the constant horde raids on Stormwind and Southshore its hard to keep up with both.
That and EVE is trying my patience lately.
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N'oah
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Posted - 2008.09.09 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Wafflefry
Originally by: Jana Clant
FC means fleet commander. And yeah, generally they use some sort of voice comms, but the point is, that mechanic can be used to silence people you don't like, the only requirement is enough numbers, which the largest alliance definitely have.
Good point, although a typical WoW guild has over 150 members. You could easily combine that to mute someone. Not sure how this was addressed in WoW, but they sure made a dent in the spam. I used to get it in all chat channels, whispers, group invitations, area chat, e-mail, everything. Now it's almost absent.
A typical wow guild doesnt really talk together or work together they just run around with the same nametag. Thats probably how they solved that.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.09.09 09:00:00 -
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A "Report spam" function could be a good idea, just remove the automatic part of it. So the system will respond to a person getting 25+ reports, over a given timeframe, by notifying a GM. The GM then looks at the chat history of the reported, and acts accordingly. If the allegations turn out to be false, all reporters could receive a ban of some kind, like they can chat for 24 hours.
The WoW idea is good, but needs to be fitted to EvE, if it should be implemented. Current options of petition assures that only serious spams are reported and not just every little post. No one would spend the time writing a petition, unless he spam is really annoying.
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Shoukei
Caldari
Boobs Ahoy
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Posted - 2008.09.09 09:12:00 -
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what is this, a WOW pride parade?
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Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wafflefry
WoW spam used to be intolerable. Over the years they have introduced several features that have cut spam down to a trickle. One of the things they did to fix the problem was to implement a Report Spam function. When you report, that person is set to Ignore, the Eve equivalent of Block. When enough people report, that person's account is blocked from all chat. I realize that the spammer can just create a new account, but in the meantime, it cut down on spam a great deal.
Just a suggestion.
First off I've never played WoW, but your suggestion is not only brilliant but makes sense.
When I was first starting to play Eve and I was in the noob corp, we would constantly block isk spammers all day.
I thought, wouldn't it be a great idea that if a certain number of people blocked a certain individual within a certain period of time, then that person would get banned or simple muted.
So yeah I think it's a great idea, however I never come accross isk spammers these days so meh.
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Yeah, and while we're at it we can create a controlled environment around account hacking and credit card fraud and all the other EULA breaches..
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Achran Dexx
Caldari
CompleXion Industries
CompleXion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.09 10:34:00 -
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WHAT THE **** IS THIS
FIFTY DEE KAY PEE MINUS
**** **** *******KK
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.09 10:37:00 -
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Came in expecting lulz about making EVE into a loss-free game, left disappointed.
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Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space
Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.09 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Avignon
I thought, wouldn't it be a great idea that if a certain number of people blocked a certain individual within a certain period of time, then that person would get banned or simple muted.
…and hopefully, now, when you're older and wiser and understand what kind of meta-gameplay goes in a PvP game, you've come to realise how such a functionality would be abused to no end.
A combined block+report? Sure, fine, dandy — the GMs will have the last say. An automatic system with post-review restoration? Hell no.
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Lord Zoran
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.09.09 11:03:00 -
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its a shame but probably true that if you remade this thread and didn't say wow, a lot of people would think more of this idea.
In general i think it's a gd idea if it is not automated as someone suggested and have it flagged upto a gm if there are a certain number of reports in a given time.
As this is a way to stop spam i think the majority of people would not abuse it and if it only mute you from trade/local channels etc for a given time til it would be investigated i see no problems.
but anyway whether or not this idea came from wow should makes no difference, i myself do not play wow (*waits to be told that i do from a troll or some other forum warrior*) and i find that any idea should be looked at in detail and ppl not just shouting omg listen to urself ur from wow omg omg omg.......
lz
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Lt Angus
Caldari
Lt Angus Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.09 11:14:00 -
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great idea ill start by banning the OP
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Victor Forge
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.09 11:44:00 -
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I love the Block function myself. No limits in that one. The problem with spam in both games is that spammers use one account to spam once, then switch to another to spam again. No amount of reports and banning solve either issue. And the lvl 1 spambots near Orgrimmar banks are still alive and kicking in all realms I have visited so far, even the dying ones.
And I play EvE online because it is different than WoW and most of all it isn¦t run by Blizzard!
/copy past long rant from earlier thread.
WoWs greatest flaw is Blizzards greed and how it deals with population problems. Blizzard have big income source from payed character transfers. There are plenty of low pop realms that are damnned to stay low pop because even with free character transfers people will be unwilling to move, if they chose to and not enough move with them, they will be stuck in a low pop realm as well. And unless they like failed economy, raid guilds that that crumbles over and over again due to lack of recruits, hard to find even 5 man groups, they have no choise to pay to get out from that realm.
With low-pop I mean where the numbers of players in total never touch 2000 even in prime time, for example: http://www.warcraftrealms.com/activity.php?serverid=664
How many characters can be inlogged then in a WoW server? At least 3600 http://www.warcraftrealms.com/activity.php?serverid=427
Merging low-pop realms can possible create queues at prime time, but that is far better than enduring playing in a dead realm. But Blizzard have never once done any server mergers. Why should they? All those payed transfers from dying realms earns them lots of money. Not to meantion that in the same realm one faction can be all but wiped out and the other suffers from lag http://www.warcraftrealms.com/activity.php?serverid=349, but Blizzard simply don¦t listen.
I got sick of that, I really got sick of Blizzard. And the game itself feels old and dusty like its graphic. But that is only a minor issue compared to how Blizzard deals with server populations in WoW. I doubt I will ever buy a game from that greedy ignorant company ever again.
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.09.09 11:54:00 -
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all that function does is stop you from reading it. not everyone else.
It doesnt work anyway, you still get whispers and in game mail spam.
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Rhivre
Caldari
Carlsberg Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2008.09.09 12:05:00 -
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hmm, I played wow for 2+ years, raided both pre and post tbc, and, the spam there is so much worse than here.
Yeah, you get the odd isk spam in 1.0 systems, and in a trade hub once in a while, but, as I spend a large amount of the time telling people in rookie help, once you are out of the rookie channel, and, the npc corps, you dont get spam.
A feature eve has that costs me a shedload when helping rookies is a cost for mail and convoing.
A lot of new players do not know this, because they convo/mail older players who have set their mail charge to 1isk or 0, but, as standard, everytime you mail or convo someone, it costs you 2950 isk.
This is a way of dealing with spam, new players start with 5k isk..spam convoing people doesnt work, also, you choose to accept convos here unlike wow, where it just happens.
Yes, once in a while you get an isk buying mail, but adjusting your mail charges fixes that.
So, from my experience, eve has less spam than other games, and i dont have to check my convo window only to find its a spam, because, I choose who I want to speak to.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 12:11:00 -
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Use an alt in the trade-systems (eg. Jita) and you never get spam (and if it ends up on your alt it doesn't matter, no important mail is sent to that anyhow, so just multiple-select -> delete)
Black Hand.
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Kaiser Sorano
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Posted - 2008.09.09 12:11:00 -
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ISK spammers in newbie corps are a ploy by CCP to get everyone into a player-corp ASAP
Good job, I say
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Terra Mikael
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.09.09 12:38:00 -
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lol, I like how people in this thread are so reactionary. Eve, however great a game it is, is far from perfect. And while i'm not familiar with WoW, I'm sure a simple string checking program could easily filter out some one yelling ISK, CHEAP, and a web address in the same sentence. The petition system just lenthens the process. If you get blocked for setting off filters, it would probably create less petitions if people then created a petition to get unblocked.
But seriously, if you're spamming the words "ISK," "Cheapest," and a web address, you should be auto blocked, anyway.
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Smacko Thug
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.09.09 12:53:00 -
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My god some of you people need wake up and actually read what people post.
Hes not talking about how WOW is better than EVE...
Hes using his WOW experience, to suggest a way that might help combat spam in EVE.
And you flame him for that? I guess you are the tards doing the spamming in Jita local.
Spam is a problem.
He might be onto something here
Would it need refining? sure!
But perhaps theres merit in his idea.
EG: Restrict the global chat ban/blocking to only work against members of NPC corps... and damn, I think you might have something that makes a serious dent in spamming.
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Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Lucas Avignon
I thought, wouldn't it be a great idea that if a certain number of people blocked a certain individual within a certain period of time, then that person would get banned or simple muted.
àand hopefully, now, when you're older and wiser and understand what kind of meta-gameplay goes in a PvP game, you've come to realise how such a functionality would be abused to no end.
A combined block+report? Sure, fine, dandy ù the GMs will have the last say. An automatic system with post-review restoration? Hell no.
And how did you come to the conclusion that anyone would implement such a system without banning people who abuse it?
Of course it couldn't be a simple right click block, but more a right click, select block, select isk spam.
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Yeah, and while we're at it we can create a controlled environment around account hacking and credit card fraud and all the other EULA breaches..
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.09 12:59:00 -
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Jesus X. Christ, the OP is talking about SPAM, not gameplay mechanics.
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Dreamers Inventor
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Posted - 2008.09.09 12:59:00 -
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I guess spam is a problem if you're still in those heavily populated systems like Jita, Motsu, Hek, Rens, and others like it,.. but as you drift away from these systems through natural progression in the game (well, unless you're a mission runner in Motsu =p), I think you'll find that the spam no longer is an issue. True spam is a bother like it is in any game, but in Eve you can get away from it, as the spammers simply can't be in every system to spam, just the hubs where you never have to spend a lot of time if you don't want to.
But mentioning WoW here will most always result in your thread being about the differences between WoW and EvE if you haven't figured that out already. If you want to keep your post about what your post is about,.. just don't mention it. 
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Hugo Splat
Myrmidons
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Posted - 2008.09.09 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Lucas Avignon
I thought, wouldn't it be a great idea that if a certain number of people blocked a certain individual within a certain period of time, then that person would get banned or simple muted.
àand hopefully, now, when you're older and wiser and understand what kind of meta-gameplay goes in a PvP game, you've come to realise how such a functionality would be abused to no end.
A combined block+report? Sure, fine, dandy ù the GMs will have the last say. An automatic system with post-review restoration? Hell no.
Limit the global blocking to characters in NPC corps. problem solved.
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gmutorrah
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Posted - 2008.09.09 13:07:00 -
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I love WoW, i played it at a mates house, is so funny when you stop an Ambulance, shoot the paramedics and the steal the thing knocking people down with the sirens blasting.
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Iok Sototh
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Posted - 2008.09.09 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Wafflefry
Not sure what an FC is, but I'm assuming that it's something like a raid leader?
Best learn a bit more about eve before telling the developers how to change it. There's only a couple of systems in the whole of eve where you get spammed, and they aren't systems you normally hang about in, nor are they representative of the game as a whole.
Although Jita can resemeble a fleet battle I suppose..... 
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Drykor
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.09.09 13:21:00 -
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There sure are a lot of stupid replies in this topic. I haven't played WoW beyond trial but I from what I heard I'm pretty sure the endgame can be quite as intensive as in Eve, just very different. Stop the Eve fanboi'ism, seriously.
That having said, this was never a topic about WoW. The initial suggestion is good (and has been suggested before, I might add), and if you can get banned for fake reports then the abuse wouldn't be that common either. No one wants to leave their game just to mute some FC.
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