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Travivi	Posted - 2008.09.09 08:39:00 - [1] I don't know about the rest of you, but I think that CCP seriously needs to revamp the faction warfare so that people who are doing it can no longer sit and camp high sec gates and blow everyone up who goes through them. Since faction warfare started I have lost close to 10 billion isk in ships and cargo being destroyed due to faction warfare corps gate camping high sec. I know that they probably didn't think of this, but why the hell are these guys able to get away with it?
Rehtom Lamina Minmatar The Movement	Posted - 2008.09.09 08:43:00 - [2] lol Scout the gate Go a different route ??? Profit...
Loc Maythan Gallente AlfaCorp	Posted - 2008.09.09 09:28:00 - [3] That is, unfortunately, what happens when a war breaks out - innocent bystanders get caught in the cross-fire. Best you can do is change your habits. As pointed out, scout or take different routes. Use cheaper/faster/more slippery ships, and insure. Take cargo in smaller amounts to reduce potential loses. If you have a suitable alt, join a militia - that will give you access to the militia chat, where you can gather/ask for important info. If you don't have a suitable alt, find someone (who you trust) who does have one, or is already in the militia to get the info for you. FW has not introduced gate-camping, only made it more common. Not sure how you'd prevent militias from camping gates even if you wanted to. In any case, I suspect that without gate-camping, FW would lose a lot of its appeal for many people - in my experience, the majority of FW activity is based around setting up/breaking gate-camps. Much as I dislike getting caught in camps, I wouldn't want the mechanism changed - blockades are an important part of warfare. I'm afraid that it is a fact of 'life' that is here to stay. Loc.
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.09 09:55:00 - [4] It is a war.. what else is there to expect? Protip, though FW is primarily focused on low sec, doesn't mean its exclusively in low sec. I think your request is just as silly as demanding that neutrals can not be allowed in the FW zones. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.09.09 10:05:00 - [5] EVE RELATED CONTENT
Tony Tibbs	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:57:00 - [6] ever heard of insurance
Kelron Queldine Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.09.09 13:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Loc Maythan That is, unfortunately, what happens when a war breaks out - innocent bystanders get caught in the cross-fire. Except in this case the 'innocent bystander' is someone who has actively chosen to participate in faction warfare and didn't realise it meant he could be killed in high sec.
Sirius Problem Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.09 13:02:00 - [8] Edited by: Sirius Problem on 09/09/2008 13:03:58 Originally by: Travivi I don't know about the rest of you, but I think that CCP seriously needs to revamp the faction warfare so that people who are doing it can no longer sit and camp high sec gates and blow everyone up who goes through them. I'm not into FW, so don't know much about it, but I'm wondering how this is possible in hi-sec unless you are a member of an opposing faction's militia. If you are neutral with regard to FW, those hi-sec gate campers would not be able to attack you without CONCORD intervening. If, as I suspect, you are participating in FW, then all I can say is welcome to war. ---- Train more. Whine less.
Havohej Minmatar Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.09 13:29:00 - [9] ... Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
War Kitten	Posted - 2008.09.09 13:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Travivi I don't know about the rest of you, but I think that CCP seriously needs to revamp the faction warfare so that people who are doing it can no longer sit and camp high sec gates and blow everyone up who goes through them. Since faction warfare started I have lost close to 10 billion isk in ships and cargo being destroyed due to faction warfare corps gate camping high sec. I know that they probably didn't think of this, but why the hell are these guys able to get away with it? Obvious Troll is obvious. Who is dumb enough to sign up for a war and then complain they get shot at? And keep making the mistake to the tune of 10B isk? Fail.
Loc Maythan Gallente AlfaCorp	Posted - 2008.09.09 14:11:00 - [11] Edited by: Loc Maythan on 09/09/2008 14:14:42 Originally by: Kelron Queldine Except in this case the 'innocent bystander' is someone who has actively chosen to participate in faction warfare and didn't realise it meant he could be killed in high sec. Originally by: War Kitten Obvious Troll is obvious. Who is dumb enough to sign up for a war and then complain they get shot at? And keep making the mistake to the tune of 10B isk? Fail. Where in the OP does it say he's participating? As far as I can tell from what he says, he is not in FW, and has been caught in FW-related gate-camps. Maybe you have a source of knowledge that I don't ... been camping recently? ;-) Loc.
Loc Maythan Gallente AlfaCorp	Posted - 2008.09.09 14:19:00 - [12] Edited by: Loc Maythan on 09/09/2008 14:23:58 Originally by: Sirius Problem I'm not into FW, so don't know much about it, but I'm wondering how this is possible in hi-sec unless you are a member of an opposing faction's militia. If you are neutral with regard to FW, those hi-sec gate campers would not be able to attack you without CONCORD intervening. If, as I suspect, you are participating in FW, then all I can say is welcome to war. There's no evidence that he's in FW. By "camp high sec gates" I think the OP means setting up camps on the low sec side of high sec/low sec interfaces, in which case he runs the risk of hitting a gate-camp anyway. It's just that they are more common since FW, and tend - in my experience - to be larger than non-FW camps. Obviously, if he is actually in FW, I retract the above ;-) Loc.
My'kel An'jelo Amarr Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.09.09 14:33:00 - [13] just sayin but pretty much all militias have agreed not to shoot neutrals unless they're being really cheeky little shits, so I vote terrible planned and poorly executed troll.
Jodi Goulsti	Posted - 2008.09.09 14:41:00 - [14] Originally by: My'kel An'jelo just sayin but pretty much all militias have agreed not to shoot neutrals unless they're being really cheeky little shits, so I vote terrible planned and poorly executed troll. This. Militia FCs don't want their people drawing gate gun fire by shooting non-flashy neutrals; there are usually enough targets in the opposing militia that require a coordinated fleet to take on.
War Kitten	Posted - 2008.09.09 15:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Loc Maythan Where in the OP does it say he's participating? As far as I can tell from what he says, he is not in FW, and has been caught in FW-related gate-camps. Maybe you have a source of knowledge that I don't ... been camping recently? ;-) Loc. The logic isn't very twisted, but follow me here... 1. OP says he's lost billions of isk in ships and cargo in high sec to faction war gate camping. 2. No one outside of FW can be killed in high sec by a FW camp without being concorded like the rest of the world. They can only freely kill opposing factions. 3. Therefore OP is either in a FW faction, or got suicide ganked. 4. OP specifically whined about it being a FW thing, and them "getting away with it." 5. Conclusion: OP is in an opposing faction.
War Kitten	Posted - 2008.09.09 15:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Loc Maythan There's no evidence that he's in FW. By "camp high sec gates" I think the OP means setting up camps on the low sec side of high sec/low sec interfaces, in which case he runs the risk of hitting a gate-camp anyway. It's just that they are more common since FW, and tend - in my experience - to be larger than non-FW camps. Obviously, if he is actually in FW, I retract the above ;-) Loc. Well, if he's talking about a low-sec side of the gate, he's still trolling, but he's an idiot to boot. A gate camp is a gate camp, haul through low-sec at your own risk.
Loc Maythan Gallente AlfaCorp	Posted - 2008.09.09 16:21:00 - [17] Originally by: War Kitten The logic isn't very twisted, but follow me here... 1. OP says he's lost billions of isk in ships and cargo in high sec to faction war gate camping. 2. No one outside of FW can be killed in high sec by a FW camp without being concorded like the rest of the world. They can only freely kill opposing factions. 3. Therefore OP is either in a FW faction, or got suicide ganked. 4. OP specifically whined about it being a FW thing, and them "getting away with it." 5. Conclusion: OP is in an opposing faction. Despite your unnecessarily confrontational and patronising response, my opinion will remain, until there is information one way or the other, that the OP is not in FW and was simply described his problem badly. I agree with your second post, though - regardless of whether he is in FW or not, he was foolish to have lost so much when there are many ways to avoid/reduce his losses. Loc. P.S. My turn to be patronising - if you're having a bad day at work, go for a walk and calm down before posting ;-)
War Kitten	Posted - 2008.09.09 18:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Loc Maythan P.S. My turn to be patronising - if you're having a bad day at work, go for a walk and calm down before posting ;-) I feel so patronized. :) Not a bad day really, I just feel strongly that the OP is his own worst enemy here and needs to aim his blame inward. Perhaps I was harsh, but EVE is a cold and harsh world. ...and what would C&P be without unnecessary confrontation and patronizing?
Muthor 30 ounces	Posted - 2008.09.10 00:27:00 - [19] ....leave FW? get an alt, who is NOT in FW to haul?? Just an idea
1Evildude Gallente Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.10 00:32:00 - [20] Why are people in this thread so gullible? Am I the only 1 that notices that this is a troll? and a bad one aswell. * Of all the things I've lost, I miss my boot.ini file the most * Mega Night Out!
Tellenta Gallente Invicta.	Posted - 2008.09.10 02:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Loc Maythan Originally by: War Kitten The logic isn't very twisted, but follow me here... 1. OP says he's lost billions of isk in ships and cargo in high sec to faction war gate camping. 2. No one outside of FW can be killed in high sec by a FW camp without being concorded like the rest of the world. They can only freely kill opposing factions. 3. Therefore OP is either in a FW faction, or got suicide ganked. 4. OP specifically whined about it being a FW thing, and them "getting away with it." 5. Conclusion: OP is in an opposing faction. Despite your unnecessarily confrontational and patronising response, my opinion will remain, until there is information one way or the other, that the OP is not in FW and was simply described his problem badly. I agree with your second post, though - regardless of whether he is in FW or not, he was foolish to have lost so much when there are many ways to avoid/reduce his losses. Loc. P.S. My turn to be patronising - if you're having a bad day at work, go for a walk and calm down before posting ;-) Then as a side note I'll point out if he is not in faction warfare he is being suicide ganked not gate camped by faction warfare members. Also probably a troll, people tend to learn their lessons after the first bill or so.
War Kitten	Posted - 2008.09.10 12:29:00 - [22] Originally by: 1Evildude Why are people in this thread so gullible? Am I the only 1 that notices that this is a troll? and a bad one aswell. You're only skimming the posts aren't you? Several of us have called troll. But Loc has me convinced there is a distinct possibility that the OP is more an idiot and just an accidental troll. :)
1Evildude Gallente Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.10 12:39:00 - [23] Originally by: War Kitten Originally by: 1Evildude Why are people in this thread so gullible? Am I the only 1 that notices that this is a troll? and a bad one aswell. You're only skimming the posts aren't you? Several of us have called troll. But Loc has me convinced there is a distinct possibility that the OP is more an idiot and just an accidental troll. :) Yes, sorry my bad :D It was 2am and was quickly looking through this thread and noticed a few people making lists of what this guy should and shouldn't do. * Of all the things I've lost, I miss my boot.ini file the most * Mega Night Out!

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