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Ceremony Garp	Posted - 2008.09.09 11:16:00 - [1] My main can fly all races Heavy Interdictors. He's almost got Graviton Physics up to lvl4, but having never flown a HIC I'm seeking some help with choosing. He'll mainly be using the ship for lo-sec gatecamping. Questions: 1. If my gangmates leave the camp for a while, would it be advisable to stay on the gate alone? 2. Best choice of ship is which? [Main has maxed missiles and maxed gunnery]. 3. Is it feasible to use one for belt hunting or indeed anything remotely solo?
Boobiencia Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.09 11:19:00 - [2] onyx and broadsword Sig removed, inappropriate content. Signature graphics may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to EVE Online. All content must be in good taste ~Saint
Ceremony Garp	Posted - 2008.09.09 11:20:00 - [3] Edited by: Ceremony Garp on 09/09/2008 11:21:12 Originally by: Boobiencia onyx and broadsword Aye, Ive kinda' narrowed it down to those two too. Any suggestions on which and why?
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order	Posted - 2008.09.09 11:54:00 - [4] Edited by: DubanFP on 09/09/2008 11:55:20 Originally by: Ceremony Garp Edited by: Ceremony Garp on 09/09/2008 11:21:12 Originally by: Boobiencia onyx and broadsword Aye, Ive kinda' narrowed it down to those two too. Any suggestions on which and why? Personally I like the broadsword because it has more balanced resists and can be more easily fit out for speed. Alternatively a missile onyx can hit for full damage at the end of the bubble while a broadsword relies on barrage and falloff "losing damage in the process". Both ships are excellent. _______________ "Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely outclassed
Crellion Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.09.09 11:57:00 - [5] Because they have to tank on their own when using the area effect gadget and collective wisdom is to have a nice shield buffer tank for that as it regenerates. The broadsword is also: V E R T I C A L While the Onyx has missles... nuf said. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Ceremony Garp	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:12:00 - [6] Thanks Duban, Crellion. Noted. Looks like the Onyx then, cheers.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:23:00 - [7] It's not that simple. You stated lowsec, so the WDFG Field isn't an option, so you'll be using the focused script and will be able to receive remote reps. You'll also want sensor boosters to lock before your target warps, and a web to web it early before it approaches the gate, and maybe even an ECCM. MWD goes without saying. These factors favour the armour-tankers in lowsec. Phobos has an extra midslot, so that would be the better choice. Of course, you could use a remote-sensor-boosted and ECCM-projected Onyx/Broadsword, and get a similar effect. But remote reps are generally more useful in gang than remote sensor boosters, so it would be a suboptimal choice.
Crellion Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Gypsio III It's not that simple. You stated lowsec, so the WDFG Field isn't an option, so you'll be using the focused script and will be able to receive remote reps. You'll also want sensor boosters to lock before your target warps, and a web to web it early before it approaches the gate, and maybe even an ECCM. MWD goes without saying. These factors favour the armour-tankers in lowsec. Phobos has an extra midslot, so that would be the better choice. Of course, you could use a remote-sensor-boosted and ECCM-projected Onyx/Broadsword, and get a similar effect. But remote reps are generally more useful in gang than remote sensor boosters, so it would be a suboptimal choice. I tried Phobos... i dont like its tank, I dont like its gank and I dont even fancy boarding a Gallente ship without drones in the first place... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Ceremony Garp	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Gypsio III It's not that simple. You stated lowsec, so the WDFG Field isn't an option, so you'll be using the focused script and will be able to receive remote reps. Ah. Bugger. I didn't know that the WDFG can't be used in lo-sec. Dammit.
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:32:00 - [10] Edited by: DubanFP on 09/09/2008 12:33:13 Originally by: Crellion I dont like its gank You're going to have to get used to that. HICs do crap for damage. You're probebly going to rely on your allies for DPS. Kind of cancels out the range bonus on the missiles for me anyways. Also you can use the warp field with the script to target one person in lowsec for infinate points. You just can't use the bubble. _______________ "Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely outclassed
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Crellion I tried Phobos... i dont like its tank, I dont like its gank and I dont even fancy boarding a Gallente ship without drones in the first place... It's the only one that can fit easily mwd cap booster web eccm... Which goes a long way ensuring the tackled stuff will stay tackled. The passive shield tankers are vulnerable to neut and the Devoter don't have room for eccm... Also IMHO the best ability to solo stuff, full tackle + sensor booster + possibility to be fit for a decent gank. IMHO hictors are very well balanced, each having their strong points. Under sentries the passive shield tankers are the easy choice, broadsword got better natural resists but Onyx resists match sentry damage better. Both do very crap damage. -- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/
yrknat	Posted - 2008.09.09 15:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Gypsio III It's not that simple. You stated lowsec, so the WDFG Field isn't an option, so you'll be using the focused script and will be able to receive remote reps. You'll also want sensor boosters to lock before your target warps, and a web to web it early before it approaches the gate, and maybe even an ECCM. MWD goes without saying. These factors favour the armour-tankers in lowsec. Phobos has an extra midslot, so that would be the better choice. Of course, you could use a remote-sensor-boosted and ECCM-projected Onyx/Broadsword, and get a similar effect. But remote reps are generally more useful in gang than remote sensor boosters, so it would be a suboptimal choice. unless it was changed in last weeks patch, you cannot recieve remote reps or remote sensor boosting with the focused point active either
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order	Posted - 2008.09.09 15:09:00 - [13] Edited by: DubanFP on 09/09/2008 15:10:05 Originally by: yrknat unless it was changed in last weeks patch, you cannot recieve remote reps or remote sensor boosting with the focused point active either I don't know where you got your information but you're wrong. I was repped with one active just yesterday. _______________ "Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely outclassed
Dikat	Posted - 2008.09.09 15:50:00 - [14] Just for ****s and giggles I setup a phobos last night on the test server and I easily killed and tanked 2x BS angel rats and 3x frigs. I'm only commenting because someone mentioned being able to rat in them. The phobos seems to do more dps than the other HICs but it's tank isn't nearly as good. Still if you kill them before they kill you, you don't really need an uber tank. The greatest weakness of a HIC is NOS/NEUT. That makes the onyx and the broadsword the obvious choice. If you have better gun skills go for the broadsword. Better missile skills, the onyx.
yrknat	Posted - 2008.09.09 16:03:00 - [15] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 09/09/2008 15:16:21 Originally by: yrknat unless it was changed in last weeks patch, you cannot recieve remote reps or remote sensor boosting with the focused point active either I don't know where you got your information but you're wrong. I was repped with one active just yesterday. Are you sure you aren't thinking of the siege mod or triange mod? i got my information from the fact remote reps wouldnt activate on a HIC using the focused script. Last weeks patch may have changed this, why I said that.
Tearavygh Quillam COLSUP	Posted - 2008.09.09 16:17:00 - [16] Originally by: yrknat Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 09/09/2008 15:16:21 Originally by: yrknat unless it was changed in last weeks patch, you cannot recieve remote reps or remote sensor boosting with the focused point active either I don't know where you got your information but you're wrong. I was repped with one active just yesterday. Are you sure you aren't thinking of the siege mod or triange mod? i got my information from the fact remote reps wouldnt activate on a HIC using the focused script. Last weeks patch may have changed this, why I said that. You're right, I just tested it several minutes ago with this char in a Broadsword and my other char in a Thanatos. The remote shield transferer can't activate and I get a message.
Tearavygh Quillam COLSUP	Posted - 2008.09.09 16:17:00 - [17] Oh, and I prefer the Broadsword.
MentaFox The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.09.09 16:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Ceremony Garp My main can fly all races Heavy Interdictors. He's almost got Graviton Physics up to lvl4, but having never flown a HIC I'm seeking some help with choosing. He'll mainly be using the ship for lo-sec gatecamping. Questions: 1. If my gangmates leave the camp for a while, would it be advisable to stay on the gate alone? 2. Best choice of ship is which? [Main has maxed missiles and maxed gunnery]. 3. Is it feasible to use one for belt hunting or indeed anything remotely solo? I'd say onyx, because of its awesome tank. But whatever you do, dont get the Phobos. ____________________________________ dis mah sig
Nikolae Varius Amarr Exiled. Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.09.09 16:32:00 - [19] Broadsword has better buffer/passive due to the EM resist boost. Does more for Invuls as opposed to onyx having to plug that hole.
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.09.09 16:47:00 - [20] No one mentions the Devoter. In EFT I got a massive passive tank on the thing. I haven't used it but whats wrong with this setup here? [Devoter, PvP] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II ECCM - Radar II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Speed Warp Disruption Field Generator I Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Salvager I Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II 137k EHP with some mild leadership skills 192 DPS (LAWL)
Gun Sniper Amarr The Flaming Sideburn's	Posted - 2008.09.09 17:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Cloora No one mentions the Devoter. In EFT I got a massive passive tank on the thing. I haven't used it but whats wrong with this setup here? [Devoter, PvP] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II ECCM - Radar II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Speed Warp Disruption Field Generator I Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Salvager I Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II 137k EHP with some mild leadership skills 192 DPS (LAWL) beside the scripes
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.09.09 17:42:00 - [22] Oh and with perfect fitting skills and a few fitting implants you could fit a set of 5 HP II's instead and have 222 DPS. Not too bad for a HIC. And offline the salvager for a heatsink and after the fight for battlefield cleanup.
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.09.09 17:46:00 - [23] If you want to forego any respectable DPS and concentrate on tank do this setup. It is also easier to fit. [Devoter, PvP] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II ECCM - Radar II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Speed Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Salvager I Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II It has 187k EHP or 173k EHP with Trimark I's
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.09.09 22:10:00 - [24] If you are in 0.0 and you are going to use your bubble - then the Broadsword and Onyx is the way to go. I prefer the Broadsword because of its speed and passive tank. I fit my Onyx with an active tank which I find is superior to a passive one as long as I have 800 charges. . .but thats another debate. In low sec though, the Devoter is the hands down winner because you fit Sensor Boosters in the mids which does not diminish your tank, and allows you to be a very effective tackler. oh, and damage from a HIC is irrelivant, you are on every KM anyway because of the bubble. . .so its not like logistics ships where you fit a single heavy missle and cycle through the targets just to show up on mails. . . anyway, I would fly the broadsword. . . ---- GO BLUE!!
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.09 22:18:00 - [25] Originally by: Ceremony Garp My main can fly all races Heavy Interdictors. He's almost got Graviton Physics up to lvl4, but having never flown a HIC I'm seeking some help with choosing. He'll mainly be using the ship for lo-sec gatecamping. Questions: 1. If my gangmates leave the camp for a while, would it be advisable to stay on the gate alone? 2. Best choice of ship is which? [Main has maxed missiles and maxed gunnery]. 3. Is it feasible to use one for belt hunting or indeed anything remotely solo? low-sec? if it's low-sec, you can't use the WDFG in field mode, and the need to actually target the guy to put the focussed infini-point on him, means that you will be better off with a phobos or a devoter, simply because you can dedicate mid slots to sensor boosters. if it's 0.0, then the broadsword and the onyx with their ZOMFG passive tanks are the best choice. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.09.09 22:26:00 - [26] Originally by: Ceremony Garp 1. If my gangmates leave the camp for a while, would it be advisable to stay on the gate alone? Can your wallet take the hit if you guess wrong and trouble shows up? You can tank the sentry guns easily and kill haulers/T1 cruisers/frigates, and you can probably survive long enough to de-aggro and jump out against larger targets. However, if you get too overwhelmed, say goodbye to your expensive ship. Quote: 2. Best choice of ship is which? [Main has maxed missiles and maxed gunnery]. Onyx or Broadsword. Onyx normally wins because Caldari Cruiser V is more useful than Minmatar Cruiser V, but you say you can fly both of them equally well. I'd take the Onyx, since missiles have the range to contribute a bit, while ACs really don't. Quote: 3. Is it feasible to use one for belt hunting or indeed anything remotely solo? Not really, unless you're REALLY paranoid about stabs. The damage is just too low to break a decent target's tank in a reasonable amount of time. Even if you can slowly kill something, you're leaving yourself vulnerable to other ships showing up. Meanwhile your tank is massive overkill against the targets your limited dps will actually let you engage. For belts, you'll be much better off with something more gank-focused. You CAN solo gatecamp pretty well, it's a very nice ship for ganking haulers.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.09 22:36:00 - [27] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/09/2008 22:37:59 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/09/2008 22:37:15 Originally by: Ceremony Garp 1. If my gangmates leave the camp for a while, would it be advisable to stay on the gate alone? If you have scouts, yes, if you don't, no. You may be able to deaggro/jump if things go bad, but then again, they might have a tackler on the other side and you die. Originally by: Ceremony Garp 2. Best choice of ship is which? [Main has maxed missiles and maxed gunnery]. For a smaller camp, probably Broadsword or Onyx. Just get someone to remote sensor boost you when your scouts report something incoming, and you can sit on gate perma-agressed easy without your gang mates having to share aggro. Broadsword gets away fine with a local sensor booster, anyway. Devoter/Phobos have to burn 800s unless you're sharing sentries with other people (who also can get by without burning 800s), but they're still good if you intend to warp in only when scouts report something or something shows up on scan. Being capable of sitting perma-agressed has definite advantages anyway. Originally by: Ceremony Garp 3. Is it feasible to use one for belt hunting or indeed anything remotely solo? Not really. Yes, if you're attacking a known stabmonkey in same cirrumstances. Otherwise, no. You're too vulnerable to getting tackled / killed, and you take too long to kill targets. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Shafty The All-Seeing Eye G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.09 22:40:00 - [28] Edited by: Shafty on 09/09/2008 22:40:33 Quote: Onyx normally wins because Caldari Cruiser V is more useful than Minmatar Cruiser V Dunno how you come to that conclusion, unless cerbs, eagles and the 2 caldari CS have suddenly become good. Oh and Broadsword btw, its what the pros fly
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.09.09 23:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Shafty Dunno how you come to that conclusion, unless cerbs, eagles and the 2 caldari CS have suddenly become good. Falcon = god Cerberus/Eagle = excellent fleet HACs Vulture = excellent fleet CS Nighthawk = will be good once it gets the long overdue grid fix Vagabond = awesome now, about to be nerfed heavily Muninn = trash Sleipnir = awesome now, about to be nerfed Claymore = poor fleet CS, sucky Sleipnir in small gangs Rapier = awesome now, about to be nerfed heavily While Minmatar ships are good now, by the time you can get the skills trained the long overdue nano nerf will take away the overpowered win button setups. Since the Broadsword and Onyx are essentially equal, the decision comes down to which other ships you want to get, and I'll take the Falcon, Cerberus and Vulture over a bunch of mediocre short-ranged scrap heaps.
Ceremony Garp	Posted - 2008.09.10 06:43:00 - [30] Superb. Some great, detailed and informative posts in reply. Special appreciation to Merin and Cpt Branko for not only answering the questions I posed, but also for answering those that I didn't pose. Thanks.

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