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Mortis Aguila
Gallente
Lionsgate Ionic Dispersion
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Posted - 2008.09.09 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mortis Aguila on 09/09/2008 22:13:41
When I created my character, about a year ago, I didn't know anything about this or similar games. Seems I made some poor choices in the attributes department. Too much charisma for a combat character, so the other attributes suffered.
I was thinking about getting Cybernetics 5 then loading up on +5 implants for Memory, Willpower, Perception and Intelligence, then maxing out the rank 3 learning skills. I already have all the Rank 1s maxxed.
Are there other ways of playing catch up for stupid noob mistakes?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.09.09 23:28:00 -
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Depending on just how badly you screwed up and what your current attributes are, you could at best catch up with a new character in about 3-4 years from now.
Training L5 in advanced learnings (except charisma) has a similar payout time, around 2-3 years.
While charisma is not particularly the best attribute for a frontline combat pilot, you could always respec as a command ship / gangbooster pilot, POS gunner or trader if you care more about SP total than anything else... otherwise, of course, you could just go with the typical L5/L4/+4implant setup and don't lose any sleep about the fact battleship level 5 will take 50 days to train instead of 45 or 38 days... you'll get "there" eventually, it'll just take a while longer.
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.10 14:22:00 -
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Hmm I think I screwed up back in my first days, too but I doubt it set me back that much, I took 30days for BS5 btw....how come you calculate with 38-50??? and I only got +4imps and 5/4 learning skills ^^
to OP: dont stress yourself too much....if the char is young: make a new one...if it is older and you are too lazy to make a new one [especially if you already have a few million SP] just work with what you have......but it would be interesting to know HOW your attributes are distributed by now...
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Mortis Aguila
Gallente
Lionsgate Ionic Dispersion
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Posted - 2008.09.10 16:21:00 -
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Here's my ineve.net character info:
Linky
Yeah, the toon is about a year old, so it's too late to start over. Oh well! 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.09.10 16:25:00 -
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My main is 9/9/9/9/3 with L5 basics, L4 advanced and +5 implants, so 25.3 effective in all attributes except charisma.
BS5 takes 30 days 20 hours for me.
My alt is 11 per 8 wil, with L4 basics, L4 advanceds and +3 implants. BS5 is 34 days 9 hours.
The nastiest possible setup (gallente intaki, reborn or diplomat) with 3 per 6 wil, L4/L4/+3 will take 46 days 3 hours.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.09.10 16:27:00 -
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well you have 2 alt space so you can start a new one more specced to what you want - and train that while you support it with this one...
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.10 16:29:00 -
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hmm ok....13 base charisma is....alot....you should consider going a more charisma route...leadership/trading etc ^^ still its ofc possible to do the other stuff, it will juts take longer as it had been said.
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CynoCyno1
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Posted - 2008.09.10 17:38:00 -
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d
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.10 22:34:00 -
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WTF?
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Mortis Aguila
Gallente
Lionsgate Ionic Dispersion
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Posted - 2008.09.10 22:43:00 -
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d! He said d! It couldn't be any clearer! 
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Arcadrell
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Posted - 2008.09.11 09:52:00 -
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Intelligence 7 base
Perception 9 base
Charisma 13 base
Willpower 5 base
Memory 5 base
your mem and will are quite low, and your chrisma is quite high, your int and per are okayish.
with 1 year on it I wouldnt remake a new character, just... make use of that chrisma someway ;) (hint leadership skills)
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Spermcell Giganticus
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Posted - 2008.09.11 13:24:00 -
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I wish I didn't read topics like this.......48 days for BS5 for my main with Learn5/both perception skills at 5 + 5 perc implant....Amarr Industrial ffs (wtf was I thinking?)
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Mortis Aguila
Gallente
Lionsgate Ionic Dispersion
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Posted - 2008.09.11 23:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Spermcell Giganticus
....48 days for BS5 for my main with Learn5/both perception skills at 5 + 5 perc implant....Amarr Industrial ffs (wtf was I thinking?)
Not much better here. 42 days for BS5 ... bleh!
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Chelone
Stone Shadow Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.12 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Chelone on 12/09/2008 00:19:41
Cybernetics 5 or Advanced 5 learnings take a long time to breakeven regardless of your starting stats. But it may make things seem less painful to train, even if it will take over a year to actually be worth it. And you will essentially NEVER make up for a years worth of training with a "bad stat" character. The only option to "make it up" would be to grind your ass off, make billions of isk and then buy a more highly-skilled, better attribute character from someone else. Starting one now won't help.
If you decide to do advanced 5 learnings, stick with just Clarity 5, possibly also Focus and/or Logic 5. Eidetic 5 and Presence 5 are complete wastes of time.
+5 implants give a much better deal than advanced 5 learnings, but they will shackle that clone to empire. If you plan to fly PvP a lot, I think +5 would be a mistake. You'll either be a constant slave to your jump clone timing, or you'll leave your +5 clone to collect dust in empire, not training on it for months at a time.
Edit: I guess if you wanted to do "Power of 2" and make a second account, you could optimize the new one for PvP, then use this guy for whatever his stats are optimized for, and also use him as a scout for your new characters PvP adventures...
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Mortis Aguila
Gallente
Lionsgate Ionic Dispersion
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:32:00 -
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Thanks Chelone, that was very informative.
Probably what I'll do is max out Cybernetics to 5 and put 2 or 3 +5 implants in each of the clones. Each will at least have a primary/secondary attribute for the different skill categories. If I get podded in one, I'll only have to replace those 2/3 implants.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.13 04:00:00 -
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Your stats aren't -that- bad. Not optimal, but I wouldn't bother restarting. Besides, think of it this way: So few people put any real points into Charisma that it takes them forever to train leadership skills. You could be damn valuable to any group with some good leadership skills and a command ship.
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Arcadrell
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Posted - 2008.09.13 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Your stats aren't -that- bad. Not optimal, but I wouldn't bother restarting. Besides, think of it this way: So few people put any real points into Charisma that it takes them forever to train leadership skills. You could be damn valuable to any group with some good leadership skills and a command ship.
I 2nd this, your like a ballanced character with perception/intelligence, and slightly low on willpower/memory (which isnt that bad) and your chrisma is alot higher than mosts.
I say make use of it ;)
if you really want to remake for a pvp character, considering someone with insane per/will. Otherwise you ll hardly notice you remade.
sug: Amarr/Khanid/Cyberknight; base: 14p 8int 8will 4mem 5chr
+5 basic +5 adv +5 implant +5 learning skill, and you ll be sitting at like...
32 perception.
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Mioelnir
Minmatar
Meltd0wn
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.09.14 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mortis Aguila
Originally by: Spermcell Giganticus
....48 days for BS5 for my main with Learn5/both perception skills at 5 + 5 perc implant....Amarr Industrial ffs (wtf was I thinking?)
Not much better here. 42 days for BS5 ... bleh!
Not to put salt in your wounds, but... 27d 6h.
Skewed attributes aren't that big of a deal, you simply need to find a way to utilize that charisma.
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.09.14 11:21:00 -
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after a year or so, you pretty much fly whatever you really want to anyway. . .
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Arcadrell
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Posted - 2008.09.14 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mioelnir
Originally by: Mortis Aguila
Originally by: Spermcell Giganticus
....48 days for BS5 for my main with Learn5/both perception skills at 5 + 5 perc implant....Amarr Industrial ffs (wtf was I thinking?)
Not much better here. 42 days for BS5 ... bleh!
Not to put salt in your wounds, but... 27d 6h.
Skewed attributes aren't that big of a deal, you simply need to find a way to utilize that charisma.
O_o
im gonna guess you have like 29perception? and 24? willpower? btw I feel bad for those that take like 40-50 days to train it when someone like Mionelnir can do it in 27days.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.09.14 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Arcadrell
Originally by: Mioelnir
Not to put salt in your wounds, but... 27d 6h.
im gonna guess you have like 29perception? and 24? willpower?
Heh...
With that setup (and 5/4/+4) you need a bit over 28 days 9 hours... with the same attribute setup (but 5/5/+5 learnings and implants) you get a little under 26 days 7 hours.
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.14 14:03:00 -
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I was fine with my 30 days....5/4 +4 and my charisma was too high, too ^^
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Mioelnir
Minmatar
Meltd0wn
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.09.14 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Arcadrell
O_o
im gonna guess you have like 29perception? and 24? willpower?
perc/will 28/28 with 5/5/+4
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btw I feel bad for those that take like 40-50 days to train it when someone like Mionelnir can do it in 27days.
Well, you won't if you've seen my int/mem learning rates.
But it evens out on the long run.
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StinkFinger
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.09.15 15:37:00 -
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33d 18 hours for bs 5...thats with a perc/will of 20/27 (learning 5/4 and +5 implants)...my starting perc is garbage but 33d isn't that bad...just gotta max out the bonuses to it first..
Originally by: Karanth
That's like sitting on your hand till it goes numb, so it's like a stranger. It's not as satisfying, and I'LL know the difference.
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Lord Zanthrus
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Posted - 2008.09.17 21:43:00 -
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I got mine down to 34days with +5's in Per and Will.
As for OP, if you aim towards being a booster for your froup or corp and try to get a Command Ship or do trade, then the other attributes should even out in the long run. Any SP your behind other players, you can catch up again if you both train for leadership or command ships kinda thing
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