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Bobby Case	Posted - 2008.09.10 02:52:00 - [1] I lost my first pilgrim the other day. It was also the first time I tried to solo anything with it. I expected such a result, however. I learned a ton from this first embarrassment and I expect to make it a closer fight the next time a similar situation arises. here's a set-up modified from the original version I recently lost rigs: ancillary current router I Auxiliary Nano Pump 1 Highs: cov ops cloak 3* med unstable Mids: 10mn MWD II Med Cap Injector II Warp Disrupt II 2* Track Disrupt IIs Lows: 2* EANM IIs DC II 800mm RT MAR II only fits with the PG Rig (and I have Recon 5). I think since I'm in 0.0 I need the MWD. The previous incarnation was plateless, instead, it had a hardener. It's mostly to buy time when killing drones. of course, it's all about target selection. I lost the first one to an Armageddon, but it would have been a much different story if I was a little longer in the tooth when it comes to pvp and the pilgrim, but, i'm learning. What's the verdict?
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.09.10 03:09:00 - [2] looks at all of the T2 I guess you have recon V? I'd swap a EANM for a energized thermic plating or active thermal hardener -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Bobby Case	Posted - 2008.09.10 03:17:00 - [3] Edited by: Bobby Case on 10/09/2008 03:18:06 yes I do have recon 5. I find it funny that I need a PG rig and not CPU implants because of it. I had a faction fit that I used while recon 5 was training, pretty run of the mill. I'm thinking that I have at least a chance, if not a fleeting hope, of catching BC and BS off guard. Mostly ratters, I guess, but any lone target that isn't missile or drone spec'd. I'm also relying a lot on having 800 charges available, but I don't see how one can make this cap stable without compromising the tank. I've always used resists as quite the crutch, so maybe I don't need any resist mods?
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.10 03:31:00 - [4] I'd suggest the following drone selection: 7x Hammerhead IIs 6x Warrior IIs 5x Vespa EC-600 (med ECM drone cajjigers) Basically, one wave of Hammers (main damage source) with 2 backups, 1 wave of Warrior for killing drones and inties with one spare, and one wave of ECMs in case things bad. If you're hunting ratters, go with whatever will be the weakest resist of the NPCs where you're hunting for your DPS drones.
Nahzgul Senate and People of Rome The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.09.10 21:55:00 - [5] I run something like this but I have to be selective of my targets. [Pilgrim, Standard] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Capacitor Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Warp Prohibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I E50 Prototype Energy Vampire Capacitor Control Circuit I Ancillary Current Router I Vespa II x5 Infiltrator II x5 Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
Janus Ovellian Minmatar Encina Technologies	Posted - 2008.09.10 22:35:00 - [6] Edited by: Janus Ovellian on 10/09/2008 22:36:06 edit... ignore Interesting times await...
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.10 22:39:00 - [7] Mad props to the first in a long time non-whine-pilgrim-thread. Looks like at least some people stopped whining about it and adapted. What can i say more.. *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.09.10 23:06:00 - [8] Edited by: Captator on 10/09/2008 23:07:07 Originally by: arbalesttom Mad props to the first in a long time non-whine-pilgrim-thread. Looks like at least some people stopped whining about it and adapted. What can i say more.. shhh, want a pilgrim boost damnit edit: to clarify, my desire for a boost has little to do with the state it is currently in (workable but a bit of a pig to select targets for), though a bit more cap/cap recharge would be tasty.
Bobby Case	Posted - 2008.09.10 23:43:00 - [9] I just lost my second one to another Recon, but I don't mind it much. I was able to get a couple of cruiser kills and a BS Kill, so I am happy with my progress, at least. things that I will look at: Drone composition seems like it could use some work. When I died it seemed like ECM Drones would have definitely helped...if they were successful. But, against another Recon that seems unlikely. Although, the 800m RT proved itself essential in my set ups. As well as the MWD. I wish I didn't have to use it, but I think of it as a part of the 0.0 survival kit. I think if I were to try a low-sec version I will go with an AB. Seems like a low-sec version would be much more flexible in the fitting. a couple of questions: 1.)I have yet to get into the situation where I needed light drones. Have warriors been a valuable asset for those caught in a Pilgrim vs Inty situation? I also want to experiment with ECM drones 2.)3* medium neuts vs. 2* medium + 1* small neut/nos. My gut feeling overwhelming wants 3* medium neuts. Is the cap saved compared to the time it takes to cap out a target worth it? It seems like a 33% reduction in neut capabilities is a lot to ask, especially against larger targets. What's the strength of 2 mediums +1 small over 3 mediums? 3.)Low-Sec version possibilities: I've started thinking about a low-sec fitting without a MWD and MAR, making it an all-buffer-tank. Possibilities include a 1600+800 plate if there is a way to increase PG by 3% without installing a t2 ACR (over 10k armor if I can manage it).
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates	Posted - 2008.09.11 00:56:00 - [10] for a low sec fit drop the mwd oe ab, you wont need them as if you engage outside of 10km your doing it wrong, and go 1600mm 800mm and dual trimark buffer for tank, you dont need cap boosters nor do you need speed mods in low sec (though if you dont have acess to standard mindflood a medium cap booster may be a good choice just incase)
Bobby Case	Posted - 2008.09.11 02:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Arvald for a low sec fit drop the mwd oe ab, you wont need them as if you engage outside of 10km your doing it wrong, and go 1600mm 800mm and dual trimark buffer for tank, you dont need cap boosters nor do you need speed mods in low sec (though if you dont have acess to standard mindflood a medium cap booster may be a good choice just incase) what implants are you using? I can't get a 1600 and an 800 to fit even with all lvl 5 skills in EFT. also, on that note, what other implants would compliment a Pilgrim?
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates	Posted - 2008.09.11 02:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Bobby Case Edited by: Bobby Case on 11/09/2008 02:20:33 Edited by: Bobby Case on 11/09/2008 02:18:26 Originally by: Arvald for a low sec fit drop the mwd oe ab, you wont need them as if you engage outside of 10km your doing it wrong, and go 1600mm 800mm and dual trimark buffer for tank, you dont need cap boosters nor do you need speed mods in low sec (though if you dont have acess to standard mindflood a medium cap booster may be a good choice just incase) what implants are you using? I can't get a 1600 and an 800 to fit even with all lvl 5 skills in EFT. also, on that note, what other implants would compliment a Pilgrim? I would think a Talisman set is more geared toward Logistics given the double-edged sword that is an Energy Neutralizer. But, would the added draining speed make the investment worth it? edit: Just fount Squire PG-8, slot 6 (adds 5% to PG, makes it fit) yup powergrid implant (the +3 one), and i forgot to add that you dont need a cap booster if you dont plan on attacking bs or things like the harbinger (if you dont cap out a harb before he gets a lock then you are probably screwed)
Bobby Case	Posted - 2008.09.11 02:50:00 - [13] I was thinking that with a low-sec set up I would need to choose sub-BS targets, however, that makes sense to me because the only time I see BS in low-sec is when said BS are looking for a fight. And in all honesty, I'm not looking for a fair fight, which is what the Pilgrim, and indeed all Force Recons are about; i.e. forcing an unfavorable situation on someone. Be it for area denial or just for kicks. here's what I came up with in EFT: /puts on EFT warrior Helmet (c) [Pilgrim, Low-Sec Plategrim] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II Warp Scrambler II Tracking Disruptor II Tracking Disruptor II Tracking Disruptor II Cap Recharger II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 implants include: Slot 6 - Squire PG 4 Slot 8 - Squire CC4 13.4k Armor cap lasts 3.5 minutes with Noble ZET5000 (5% armor) you can top 14k armor. On par with a BS and then some. Tomorrow I will have to set out on a little test campaign to see how well this works.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates	Posted - 2008.09.11 03:42:00 - [14] take off a tracking disruptor for a web as you will need it, and if you have the pwg take the cao recharger off for a large cap battery as it almsot doubles your recharge and always carry some mindflood boosters as the 20% extra cap is well worth the cost (has saved my ass more than a few times)
Aaron Mirrorsaver R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2008.09.11 08:04:00 - [15] after being a fan of the pilgrim for a very long time, i can safely say ive let it go.. unless your in a 50 man gang and wont get targetted too soon....dont fly it. you could always cloak on some gate in low sec and wait for a pirate to shoot someone and then tackle him. or try the odd gank in 0.0... ------ RECON is recruiting
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.09.11 08:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Arvald for a low sec fit drop the mwd oe ab, you wont need them as if you engage outside of 10km your doing it wrong, and go 1600mm 800mm and dual trimark buffer for tank, you dont need cap boosters nor do you need speed mods in low sec (though if you dont have acess to standard mindflood a medium cap booster may be a good choice just incase) What he said. Be sure you use faction/officer tank mods as well, and come join my fleet. It'll be fun! But seriously, ignore that advice. No MWD/AB on a Pilgrim = no transversal = no ship. Buffer tank on a ship that takes forever to actually kill anything = you die to random drone damage. Of course the real advice is to fit cargo expanders on your awesome covert ops hauler and buy a Curse or Arazu for your solo PvP needs.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.11 11:07:00 - [17] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 11/09/2008 11:10:04 This is my losec fit that I quite enjoy flying: [Pilgrim, Bone Losec] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Plating Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Plating Medium Armor Repairer II Internal Force Field Array I 10MN Afterburner II Domination Warp Scrambler Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Recon Probe Launcher I, Snoop Scanner Probe I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Energy Neutralizer II Anti-Thermic Pump I Anti-Kinetic Pump I Valkyrie II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Warrior II x5 -Faction is required (sadly) for the probe launcher. -With advanced training of TD's you only need 1 (tracking script-orbit close). -Faction scram is very tasty...and 2pts>1. Also..this ship cannot engage worth a shit from >8-12km anyway. -Webber is essential. -Semi HEAT-friendly. -Slow. No decloaking unless within 8-12km of target. I honestly don't think the Pilgrim is worthwhile for 0.0. The MWD just porks the fitting far too much . The other recons (Arazu, Rapier, Falcon) suit nullsec better. Pilgrim is a solo hunting boat. EDITIn losec..you should be able to have a go at most ships (BS/BC/whatever) with the exception of Sacriledge, Drake, Raven. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Janus Ovellian Minmatar Encina Technologies	Posted - 2008.09.11 12:22:00 - [18] OK... after my aborted attempt to post above :) here's a lowsec fit I quite like: [Pilgrim, Wandering Fool] Medium Armor Repairer II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II Faint Warp Prohibitor I Tracking Disruptor II Tracking Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Large Capacitor Battery II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Valkyrie II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Valkyrie II x2 Warrior II x6 Interesting times await...
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.11 12:24:00 - [19] Originally by: RuleoftheBone Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 11/09/2008 11:10:04 This is my losec fit that I quite enjoy flying: [Pilgrim, Bone Losec] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Plating Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Plating Medium Armor Repairer II Internal Force Field Array I 10MN Afterburner II Domination Warp Scrambler Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Recon Probe Launcher I, Snoop Scanner Probe I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Energy Neutralizer II Anti-Thermic Pump I Anti-Kinetic Pump I Valkyrie II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Warrior II x5 -Faction is required (sadly) for the probe launcher. -With advanced training of TD's you only need 1 (tracking script-orbit close). -Faction scram is very tasty...and 2pts>1. Also..this ship cannot engage worth a shit from >8-12km anyway. -Webber is essential. -Semi HEAT-friendly. -Slow. No decloaking unless within 8-12km of target. I honestly don't think the Pilgrim is worthwhile for 0.0. The MWD just porks the fitting far too much . The other recons (Arazu, Rapier, Falcon) suit nullsec better. Pilgrim is a solo hunting boat. EDITIn losec..you should be able to have a go at most ships (BS/BC/whatever) with the exception of Sacriledge, Drake, Raven. Very very nice fit. Recon V, I presume? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.09.11 15:46:00 - [20] Originally by: RuleoftheBone Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 11/09/2008 11:10:04 This is my losec fit that I quite enjoy flying: [Pilgrim, Bone Losec] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Plating Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Plating Medium Armor Repairer II Internal Force Field Array I 10MN Afterburner II Domination Warp Scrambler Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Recon Probe Launcher I, Snoop Scanner Probe I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Energy Neutralizer II Anti-Thermic Pump I Anti-Kinetic Pump I Valkyrie II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Warrior II x5 -Faction is required (sadly) for the probe launcher. -With advanced training of TD's you only need 1 (tracking script-orbit close). -Faction scram is very tasty...and 2pts>1. Also..this ship cannot engage worth a shit from >8-12km anyway. -Webber is essential. -Semi HEAT-friendly. -Slow. No decloaking unless within 8-12km of target. I honestly don't think the Pilgrim is worthwhile for 0.0. The MWD just porks the fitting far too much . The other recons (Arazu, Rapier, Falcon) suit nullsec better. Pilgrim is a solo hunting boat. EDITIn losec..you should be able to have a go at most ships (BS/BC/whatever) with the exception of Sacriledge, Drake, Raven. this would complement my pilgrim setup perfecly, pilgrim packs ftw
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.11 16:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: RuleoftheBone Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 11/09/2008 11:10:04 This is my losec fit that I quite enjoy flying: [Pilgrim, Bone Losec] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Plating Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Plating Medium Armor Repairer II Internal Force Field Array I 10MN Afterburner II Domination Warp Scrambler Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Recon Probe Launcher I, Snoop Scanner Probe I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Energy Neutralizer II Anti-Thermic Pump I Anti-Kinetic Pump I Valkyrie II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Warrior II x5 -Faction is required (sadly) for the probe launcher. -With advanced training of TD's you only need 1 (tracking script-orbit close). -Faction scram is very tasty...and 2pts>1. Also..this ship cannot engage worth a shit from >8-12km anyway. -Webber is essential. -Semi HEAT-friendly. -Slow. No decloaking unless within 8-12km of target. I honestly don't think the Pilgrim is worthwhile for 0.0. The MWD just porks the fitting far too much . The other recons (Arazu, Rapier, Falcon) suit nullsec better. Pilgrim is a solo hunting boat. EDITIn losec..you should be able to have a go at most ships (BS/BC/whatever) with the exception of Sacriledge, Drake, Raven. Very very nice fit. Recon V, I presume? I have had Recon V for well over a year. Not worth flying any Recon without it tbh . Possibly the best "ship command" skill in game....aside from Covops V...but I am a sneaky ** . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the ** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Bobby Case	Posted - 2008.09.13 17:02:00 - [22] i'm having quite a bit of fun with a 1600+800 Plate/Trimark set up. I am pusing 14k armor and I bet its quite a surprise when and if a target gets to my armor. Thing is, for lowsec ganks there are better ships, as stated before. But, i think with a little patience, the quality of the kills can be outstanding. Taking out harbingers and Brutixes (Brutices?) is pretty satisfying. Almost went after some Command ships, but i'm not quite that confident yet. On paper it seems like I could take an absolution. Any input? [Pilgrim, New Setup 1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II Medium Capacitor Battery II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Scrambler II Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 honestly though, I'm sure there are better set ups, or at least this one is a little over the top when it comes to armor.
Julius Romanus	Posted - 2008.09.13 17:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Bobby Case i'm having quite a bit of fun with a 1600+800 Plate/Trimark set up. I am pusing 14k armor and I bet its quite a surprise when and if a target gets to my armor. Thing is, for lowsec ganks there are better ships, as stated before. But, i think with a little patience, the quality of the kills can be outstanding. Taking out harbingers and Brutixes (Brutices?) is pretty satisfying. Almost went after some Command ships, but i'm not quite that confident yet. On paper it seems like I could take an absolution. Any input? [Pilgrim, New Setup 1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II Medium Capacitor Battery II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Scrambler II Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 honestly though, I'm sure there are better set ups, or at least this one is a little over the top when it comes to armor. I would say yes you could likely give an absolution a run for its money. When I was first skrewing around with the recons(good ole sisi practice runs) I managed to wreck an abso with a much less tanky fit. Until he launched a flight of ecm drones, and they worked first cycle. I was dead before the jam wore off. Up till that point though, he'd been helpless. ------------------ For Medicinal Use Only.
Bobby Case	Posted - 2008.09.13 17:18:00 - [24] Like with most targets in a Pilgrim I assume, I would have to wait for the right situation. As I'm flying around a sparsely populated low-sec I really need to be patient.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates	Posted - 2008.09.13 18:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Bobby Case Like with most targets in a Pilgrim I assume, I would have to wait for the right situation. As I'm flying around a sparsely populated low-sec I really need to be patient. exactly, thats what most people dont understand about the pilgrim, its not like the curse where you can just zoom around and attack everything and anything and just bail if the shit hits the fan, you actually have to stalk the person you want to attack for a bit and wait for the best possible moment to attack(convo me ingame we can discuss tactics)

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