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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:45:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:If the rest of the CSM 7 can't find it in themselves to take a stand then I wonder how they think they deserve their position in the CSM.
As Seleene already said, the CSM is discussing the matter internally before making any public statements. You should probably think about participating, if this is an important matter to you. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:25:00 -
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Ad'Hakim Tahous wrote: Thank you Seleene!!! As the new CSM members consider how best to respond, might I suggest that the members also keep a channel open to CCP?
As has been stated many times throughout the campaign, the CSM and CCP work together constantly through a persistent conversation over Skype. So yes, we do have a channel open, and we make good use of it.
Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:09:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: As for Issler she looks like being scapegoated at the moment. Understand, I didn't vote for her, I didn't much like her policies. But she is trying to push an agenda of personal responsibility from the current CSM team where we get to see what each of them actually *think* about this crisis rather than disappearing behind a magic curtain and letting the "wizard" tell us how its going to be.
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Other CSM's seem to closing ranks and trying to laugh it off and tell us how it doesn't matter because the mining barge guy didn't actually die - but that is so not the point.
The only thing that is being consistently asked of Issler is that she participate in CSM discussions before trying to discredit all of us because we didn't all rush to publish scathing remarks alongside her. If that's being scapegoated, so be it. I don't think its too much to ask that we discuss things among ourselves before making public statements.
Especially for those of us that are new to the council, I don't see any value in refusing to listen to every party involved first and foremost. Not just to the players, but to Alex, and to the CCP staff as well. It's a bit unfair to say that because most of us would prefer to get a full 360-degree view of the situation before speaking about it that it means we are somehow "closing ranks", or "laughing it off", or letting "the wizard" tell us what to say. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:36:00 -
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In evolutionary psychology and in cognitive neuroscience, patience is studied as a decision-making problem, involving the choice of either a small reward in the short term, or a more valuable reward in the long term. When given a choice, all animals, humans included, are inclined to favour short term rewards over long term rewards. This is despite the often greater benefits associated with long term rewards.
In a 2005 study involving common marmosets and cottontop tamarins, animals of both species faced a self-control paradigm in which individuals chose between taking an immediate small reward and waiting a variable amount of time for a large reward. Under these conditions, marmosets waited significantly longer for food than tamarins. This difference cannot be explained by life history, social behaviour or brain size. It can, however, be explained by feeding ecology: marmosets rely on gum, a food product acquired by waiting for exudate to flow from trees, whereas tamarins feed on insects, a food product requiring impulsive action. Foraging ecology, therefore, may provide a selective pressure for the evolution of self-control. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:59:00 -
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I wasn't trying to make a statement about anyone here, I was simply meditating on the value of patience during times like this. I came across that anecdote and found it interesting.
Besides, monkeys are totally awesome. Especially little ones with pouches. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:30:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: I can see your point if The Mittani had run this past the CSM in the first place we wouldn't be here and here stinks. It would be nice to know the remaining CSM members had morals though.
Currently it just looks like that they can't deal with a crisis with out The Mittani.
Everyone needs to step back here for a moment and understand that while group discussion is important, and teamwork necessary to work on behalf of the players to get things accomplished with CCP, the CSM at the end of the day is 14 individual human beings.
Those that want instant gratification regarding a big CSM statement are going to have to wait. Everyone needs to talk about it, and frankly not all of us have heard all sides of the story. This is EVE. Nothing it ever as it seems.
Personally, without having been at Fan Fest, without having ever spoken to The Wis, without knowing what the CSM / CCP involvement is in the Alliance presentation preparation, I'm just not comfortable coming out and waving a sword with righteous anger without having listened to the full story so I can assess what the problem here is, and think about how we can prevent it from happening again. CSM7 haven't even taken office yet, we're still getting set up.
I really appreciate those of you in this thread that have shown respect for the fact that this is all happening literally while many of the CSM7 members are in planes travelling. Please give everyone a day or so to get home, get paperwork in, get into the conversation, and than we can get to work.
Its extremely premature to go doomsdaying about how we "can't deal with a crisis", and its certainly not fair to accuse those of us who want to handle this the right way as somehow lacking in morals. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2196
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:02:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: So I am sympathetic to the idea of replacement candidate to take his seat. Not sure how that would work but some sort of election for a new chair?
All in all, sad turn of events.
Issler
Once again, you could start by talking with the rest of the CSM first before publicly posting on critical situations. You would probably have a better idea of how it might work. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2196
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:14:00 -
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Cyrina Manto wrote:This was a CCP PR issue, NOT a CSM issue. CSM should have HTFU until CCP made a decision, they are NOT supposed to have any directional input on the matter.
The Mittani was not affecting gameplay, ship balance, or the direction of development with his statement. He was just being a drunken douche. CCP gets to decide his fate due to it being in a public venue, the CSM itself has no say and should not try to abuse its power in such a situation.
My hat goes off to the CSM members who let CCP deal with the issue themselves without trying to start a public uproar. Trying to threaten a whole BUSINESS for your politics is childish and selfish.
This guy gets it. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:21:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: Wow Hans, I was on the Skype chat for about 6 hours total yesterday and no one brought anything related to this up. You were there all the time. Great chats about guns, food and stuff.
Well, stuff happens fast. The stuff everyone is talking about now, like the dev blog and what that means for CSM7, happened after the fun chats. That's why I'm recommending checking in with the CSM before making casual public comments. It's totally fine if you can't be on Skype all day, just please try to wait till you get home and get up speed, than comment away. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:45:00 -
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[quote=Frying Doom I agree completely, this one was pretty straight forward and we should have heard from each CSM member as they got home ect.. condemning it. Not a we will get back to you in a few days message. Why does the world believe that because you are elected we should expect less of people not more.[/quote
Has anyone considered that Alex's behavior was so clearly reprehensible that it seemed silly to need to go "ON THE RECORD" with such immediacy, especially when this has nothing to do with CSM7, and it has nothing to do with us individually
Many of us weren't at fanfest, Alex only represented himself in his actions, CCP makes ultimate the call regarding ToS and EULA stuff, and the CSM7 doesn't yet exist
There's just no reason for anyone to go around castigating the CSM7 candidates who haven't even taken office for not coming out and making a dog and pony show out of their piety. I think it's both tedious and unnecessary to expect that each one of us individually affirms that every inappropriate act is indeed inappropriate, and frankly I consider it one of our responsibilities as CSM members to learn all the information we can about a situation before we start pointing the finger at each other publicly.
Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
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