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Sir Marksalot
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:39:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lets keep a sense of perspective here. You are reading a Jade Constantine post, and I am only marginally better than Issler on my best of days.
hey i thought i would fix this for you |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:47:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lets keep a sense of perspective here. Issler Dainze is not the person who has currently dragged the reputation of both the CSM chair and the wider Eve community through the mud in the eyes of the gaming press and ruined what should have been a clean sweep of good coverage following an exceptional fanfest.
And if this CSM starts looking like a playground gang seeking to give Issler a kicking because its become upset that the golden boy Mittani has become unsupportable as chair, then its going to have next to zero credibility going forwards.
I'm happy that CSM takes some time to formulate a collective positive on who should be the next chair and how to announce Alexander Gianturco's resignation - I'm less happy to see the rather pathetic and florid displays of sychopantic bleating issued on several threads today from pretty gutless CSM's mewling out mealy mouthed pledges of eternal loyality to the "great leader" despite the grevious errors of judgement and behaviour he has recently displayed.
And some clue for those without a clue.
The approach that CSM 6 in terms of "collective presentation" was not universally appreciated. A lot of players wanted to see who believed what and who had argued for which policy and idea. Having Mittens as the frontman to a shadowy council of collective decision-making without us getting to see the votes and breakdown of the arguments looked quite dodgy on some levels. This discontent was apparent with the reveal of the winter minutes you might remember.
Don't make the mistake of believing the Mittani approach was very popular with eve at large. Plenty of people want to see more transparency and to see for ourselves that work is actually being done and decisions made by genuine discussion and honest process.
Retar Aveymone wrote:Jade you are generally regarded as the worst CSM chairman and it is generally accepted every idea you had on how to run the CSM was wrong, why do you feel your input is useful here.
i cant even figure out what the hell hes really even on about
apparently 'the people' are up in arms about something stupid said by a drunk that got posted on a blog and blah blah transparency and something something pro-mittani csm conspiracy
e: this is not a fake post, i sincerely dont get it
also, snype |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:49:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Blake Zacary wrote:I'm not asking anyone to 'just react' to it,what I would like to see is open,honest and clear opinions from individual CSM reps.What I don't think is good for the CSM is closing ranks and keeping things secret till you release a joint blanket statement,which is what appears to be happening !
^^ This. What happened was a matter of personal degredation and it happaned because of a lack of character by the CSM Chair. Now what people are wondering is ... are the rest of them like that? Closing ranks and issuing a joint statement says "yes".
and i would like to propose a much deeper queston, on the assumption that everything in your post is 100% correct
so what? |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:50:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Jade you are generally regarded as the worst CSM chairman and it is generally accepted every idea you had on how to run the CSM was wrong, why do you feel your input is useful here. Because pretty much everything I advocated on the CSM is already in the game or about to arrive, because under my chairmanship Eve online had excellent press coverage in the gaming press and mainstream media from New York to London and Paris, because I managed to keep my dignity and temper and didn't get righteously drunk on stage at fanfest and embarrass myself and every decent player of this game by coughing out cod-sadistic nonsense and calling on my fellow players to be trolled into suicide. Plus I had the good grace to give the next guy a go when my term was up rather than trying to cling on to power like some kind of monomaniac limpet-brained bloodsucker with an desperate need to be loved and feared in equal measure. That about covers it
having 10,000 votes is not 'clinging to power' |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:16:00 -
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michaelthered wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:no you really don't and nobody is going to believe you yes i really do. I know Wis...have spoken to him on coms. A very nice man. **** we ran some missions together one night cause we were bored. The dude is a straight up nice guy. Here's my point cause i give a **** about all this eve politics bullshit and whether this dude has to step down or not....it's so inconsequential to me. But if it's ok to step into somebody's real life in such a disgusting, vile manner....than the consequences should also be "real life", and not this eve video game bullshit. Maybe we all should have a real life meat up and get this **** settled then......you guys think it's ok, and others don't.....let's get out from the safety of our parents firewalls for a moment and see whats what. If you want to step outside the parameters of this game cause "eve is real" you know....then lets see what y'all are capable of when you have to look a man eye to eye.
this, is a quality fakepost
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:26:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Jade you are generally regarded as the worst CSM chairman and it is generally accepted every idea you had on how to run the CSM was wrong, why do you feel your input is useful here. Because pretty much everything I advocated on the CSM is already in the game or about to arrive, because under my chairmanship Eve online had excellent press coverage in the gaming press and mainstream media from New York to London and Paris, because I managed to keep my dignity and temper and didn't get righteously drunk on stage at fanfest and embarrass myself and every decent player of this game by coughing out cod-sadistic nonsense and calling on my fellow players to be trolled into suicide. Plus I had the good grace to give the next guy a go when my term was up rather than trying to cling on to power like some kind of monomaniac limpet-brained bloodsucker with an desperate need to be loved and feared in equal measure. That about covers it having 10,000 votes is not 'clinging to power' I wonder how many of those votes are/were alts? Given the not-insignificant percentage of votes from under-30d-old characters and all That number doesn't mean **** one way or the other without an explicit breakdown of account-vs-RL-player, and of what in-game demographic those accounts represent, and if they are alt-accounts, and for what purpose they are, if they are, among other factors. Enough with this puerile crap already TL/DR: That number means nothing given the prevalence of alt-accounts in this game. You should find a "meatier" statistic to play with. Next!
someone else can crosspost it from our forums, but according to our own polls (of just goons!) on average everyone put in somewhere around 1.8-2 votes hth
Jade Constantine wrote: He might choose to quit eve himself. He might choose to resign from csm chair himself (it is the right thing to do) he might quit csm himself (also perhaps the right thing). But if he doesn't then CCP is going to need to act and they would be immeasurably helped by the remaining CSM actually manning up and realizing that one of them is going to need to be chair in order to return a bit of self-respect to the office after the disaster that was the fanfest alliance panel.
Now perhaps you are a bit insulated from the almost universal disgust at what happened on that panel by virtue of your peers (who admittedly don't seem to realize what was wrong about what happened) but I assure you the wider gaming media is in now such state of confusion and eyes are looking to Iceland to resolve this matter appropriately (or to feast on the scandal if it is not).
Short version the Chair of the CSM broke codes of conduct binding the behaviour of ordinary players. He did something that other player have been permabanned for. For him to remain in place after this would make a mockery of the CSM and CCP's own reputation for even-handed enforcement of rules.
The decent thing for Alexander Gianturco to do at this point is resign, quickly and efficiently and disappear for a time so that the CSM can announce a new chair and CCP can get back to harvesting the remaining benefits of a successful fanfest and exciting program of upcoming game developments.
yes, clearly goons are just insulated because they dont care about a thing a blog said, and because they dont care what you say and we are definitely insulated because we understand that nobody gives a rat's ass about what a legion of npc corp posters are posting
so far i've seen no real scandal that would catch the attention of any real news outlet, gaming or otherwise, just a seriously impressive amount of forum trolling (you) that completely overshadows the real actual moral outrage that some people have over this. come check out sa some time the eve thread had a right fun time calling him a jerk!
fakeedit; i hate to ruin your dream but he doesn't seem to be quitting eve |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:27:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:michaelthered wrote:except that's not what wis did. And Mitt knows that because he knows the context of the emails in their entirety. Then please explain to us all what The Wis actually did and what the context of those emails are. Because claiming you are suicidal after losing assets in a video game sure sounds to me like you are trying to bargain sympathy from the aggressors. nope, its never that
we should alert the press about this clearly suicidal man |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:28:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:michaelthered wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:no you really don't and nobody is going to believe you yes i really do. I know Wis...have spoken to him on coms. A very nice man. **** we ran some missions together one night cause we were bored. The dude is a straight up nice guy. Here's my point cause i give a **** about all this eve politics bullshit and whether this dude has to step down or not....it's so inconsequential to me. But if it's ok to step into somebody's real life in such a disgusting, vile manner....than the consequences should also be "real life", and not this eve video game bullshit. Maybe we all should have a real life meat up and get this **** settled then......you guys think it's ok, and others don't.....let's get out from the safety of our parents firewalls for a moment and see whats what. If you want to step outside the parameters of this game cause "eve is real" you know....then lets see what y'all are capable of when you have to look a man eye to eye. quoting so you cant edit This is the part where some sweaty handed goon in their parent's basement excitedly knuckle types out a harrassment petition against "michaelthered" on the grounds he's been "rl threatened on the internet" because somebody suggested that being an irritating numpty can get you thumped at the local tavern. Seen it all before and the irony is priceless.
jade constantine confirmed for awful forum troll |
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