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Sir Doom
Caldari
Skill Level Six
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:07:00 -
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Hey guys me again , this time with a plan .Remember when i was asking a 5 bil loan for a carrier? Well ive realised that carrier pilot wont make me ISK , so ive decided to apply another loan for 5 bil to buy a indy character .
This time i want to make ISK by building stuff :
Dreadnought's
Carrier's
Battleship's
Cruiser's
T2 Module's
Maybe even POS's
So i have a deal with Dev7 who will provide me with minerals and BPO's!
My offer is like this , If someone investst in this project 5 bil then i will pay the person back 7 billion ISK , the Loan lenght will be 7 months .
If anyone is Interested then convo me ingame or post a reply here .
Hopeing to see results!
Youre mate : Sir Doom :)
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Frenden Dax
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:10:00 -
[2]
 Originally by: Sir Doom
Hey guys me again , this time with a plan .Remember when i was asking a 5 bil loan for a carrier? Well ive realised that carrier pilot wont make me ISK , so ive decided to apply another loan for 5 bil to buy a indy character .
This time i want to make ISK by building stuff :
Dreadnought's
Carrier's
Battleship's
Cruiser's
T2 Module's
Maybe even POS's
*facepalm*
This is a bad idea in so many ways that it's not even funny.
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Sir Doom
Caldari
Skill Level Six
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:13:00 -
[3]
why is it a bad idea?
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iskopoly
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:14:00 -
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I honestly feel you are just wanting to scam someone.
I strongly advise you to just "Train" your own character and work your own way up like most people do.
-iskopoly |
Sir Doom
Caldari
Skill Level Six
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:16:00 -
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Im not trying to scam anyone :) it is just an idea and a offer , if anyone accepts this offer then they will get theyre loan back , thats an promisse
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iskopoly
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:19:00 -
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you expect someone to just "trust" you with that kind of isk you must be crazy.
you cannot just expect people to trust you.
-iskopoly |
Sir Doom
Caldari
Skill Level Six
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:20:00 -
[7]
i know , but still its a offer and its still on ! :)
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iskopoly
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:21:00 -
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well they say a fool and their money are soon parted. maybe you will find someone that stupid. Good luck
-iskopoly |
Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:28:00 -
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your plan is so lacking in substance it makes me cry.
Seriously take a look through MD and look at the business plans "succesful" IPO/Bond's have used to get started.
...or dont and continue to give us this utter shit that this thread and your last one were.
Do you even know what the profit margins are on a Carrier? Do you even know how to make isk with a POS? Hell do you even know how and where to set up a POS?
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Tell you what, why dont you just buy the isk with GTC's like most others who cant "hack" it, do?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:29:00 -
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You really thought it was wise to make this post?
Have you ever heard the saying, "You never have a second chance to make a first impression?"
Well you screwed up your first impression big time. Now you've wasted your second chance as well. I really doubt you will get a third chance, most don't. But you might have a chance if you quickly close this out and rethink your entire strategy. Do not post another until you TRULY understand what you're getting yourself into. You clearly do not understand what was wrong with your first offer yet you made a second one with the same problems.
Your time is running out to try to salvage something here.
Read up on how to start an IPO (check the sticky's) and read through about 20 past IPO attempts on this forum. And yes, I'm serious, read through at LEAST 20 of them. Truly understand what other people have done. Only then should you even think about trying again. Trust me, we will know if you have done this.
Or you can ignore what I've said and continue on as you have so far and hope you have alts with 5b to invest in yourself to salvage your already damaged reputation.
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:30:00 -
[11]
This post of yours is even worse of a facepalm-generator than the last one. I really hope you're just trolling.
Advice: try this on a small scale with ISK you have. If you have no ISK, you may wish to sell a 60 day gtc or ten -- they're going for a really really REALLY good price now. Or you may wish to examine why it is you have no ISK and adjust your operation accordingly.
There are so many manu-alts out there that 2B returns on a 5B operation isn't as easy to pull off as you may think -- let alone 3-4B you'd need to justify your time investment. Try it on a small scale, prove yourself, THEN come here and ask for finances to expand your operation.
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Sir Doom
Caldari
Skill Level Six
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:36:00 -
[12]
ok just delete the POST!
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Frenden Dax
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Doom
why is it a bad idea?
Dude. ... Ok.
Let us assume that someone is bold enough to entrust you with 5b of their money. Let us further assume that you find a highly skilled Industrial character for sale capable of T2 module, T2 ship, and capital ship construction. Since you say that Dev7 or whoever will be feeding you minerals and BPOs (apparently for free unless you plan to devote part of the 5b loan to paying him for his services), you won't have to worry about filling mineral buy orders or handling BPO acquisition and research, or inventing the T2 BPCs that you'll use.
Do you have any idea which carriers, dreads, battleships, cruisers, POS whatevers, modules etc sell best?
Do you know where the best place(s) to sell those are?
Do you think that off the bat you can generate a minimum of a billion a month in profits to repay the loan?
What collateral do you provide to ensure that you won't take 5b and disappear?
What is your 'hit by a bus' plan if you vanish and the loan isn't paid back?
Those are just some of the basic questions you need to answer before anyone will even take you seriously. The howling lack of any sort of business plan - or indeed coherent thought - means that you'll reap only mockery and derision if you continue to ask for loans in this manner. Talk to EBank if you need money; if they won't extend you a loan then talk to your corpmates.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Doom
ok just delete the POST!
That is the one thing you do have the power to do yourself, without begging others, as your so adept at.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Frenden Dax
Talk to EBank if you need money; if they won't extend you a loan then talk to your corpmates.
Ricdic rejected him days ago, since then SirDoom has come to MD to beg, borrow and plead.
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Sir Doom
Caldari
Skill Level Six
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:44:00 -
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ok ok i get it , noone doesnt want to give me a loan , but if i do hit by a bus then Dev7 will pay the loan back
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iskopoly
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:45:00 -
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why dont you have dev7 loan you the isk then?
-iskopoly |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:55:00 -
[18]
To Sir Doom
Thank you for your post. When I got to read this 2nd post from you I almost ****ed myself with laughter!!!
You have brightened up my day no end.
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Kvander Godalming
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Posted - 2008.09.10 19:14:00 -
[19]
Thanks for this. I needed a good cry.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.09.10 20:08:00 -
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I'm only going to repeat what I told you the other day: Channel ID: 2121918714
Channel Name: EBANK
Listener: Shar Tegral
Session started: 2008.09.09 17:37:02
[ 2008.09.09 17:37:02 ] EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to EBANK. For deposits and
opening an account send ISK to EBANK Ricdic. Ensure the character is part of EBANK
corp for authenticity.Our site is here. EBANK Staff listed here should be around in
this channel to answer questions, but also check out the FAQ and for figures, check
out the Statistics.
[ 2008.09.09 17:37:15 ] Charpoly > template?
[ 2008.09.09 17:37:18 ] Shar Tegral > YEs, it is you personally.
[ 2008.09.09 17:37:20 ] Shar Tegral > YOu are a moron.
[ 2008.09.09 17:37:31 ] Shar Tegral > Thank you, this raping was provided to you
by Shar Tegral.
[ 2008.09.09 17:37:40 ] Shar Tegral > I await your war dec... otherwise STFU Go, live, learn, annoy us no more.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2008.09.10 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Saint Lazarus on 10/09/2008 21:10:24
Your plan is quite litrally to make isk 
Clearly put alot of thought into it, I espically like the plan of building POS's, lot of money in POS construction
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My EvE Comic
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Chomin H'ak
The Trivenerate
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Posted - 2008.09.10 21:42:00 -
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OMG, dude...
/facepalm
read the sig, just read it...
Originally by: Frenden Dax
My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.10 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tasko Pal on 10/09/2008 23:01:37
*Sigh* This is an improvement, but you don't need that kind of isk to buy an industrial character. Here's what I think you need to get into making industrials.
1) You need a hauler. Someone to move lots of minerals around.
2) You need a manufacturer.
3) You need to manage the logistics. For anything more serious than t1 ships in high sec, you're going to need to show that you can handle the minerals, BPs, scheduling, etc.
The skill requirements depend on what you try to do. Low sec dread or carrier construction requires impressive logistics. All I've seen you do is whine in some threads and on some chatrooms. Here's my take. Actually try building your own ships (or whatever). So you understand what you need to do before you go begging for isk.
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Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2008.09.11 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Leech on 11/09/2008 01:43:19
The op should be a template of how to not request a loan/public investment.
As Tasko said you should try manufacturing. However, it's not good enough to try it. Next step is to scale up production and work out the issues there. Seeing you're into the cap ship building bandwagon look at the mineral requirements for construction.
You should have done all of the above before even talking to anyone.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven
this thread is obviously going places
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CornerStoner
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Posted - 2008.09.11 02:21:00 -
[25]
The thought that there might be a plan #3 .... 
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.11 03:18:00 -
[26]
Sir Doom if you look into putting more than 3 minutes of work into asking for money you might have more luck. |
Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.09.11 03:32:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Ricdic
Sir Doom if you look into putting more than 3 minutes of work into asking for money you might have more luck.
Pro Tip;
He doesnt mean 4 or 5 minutes either....
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.09.11 04:13:00 -
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Is this the infamous level VI bug where the actual value of a skill turns negative?
Skill bonus at level 6 = -|Bonus|
It's true!
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Chomin H'ak
The Trivenerate
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Posted - 2008.09.11 17:21:00 -
[29]
Originally by: CornerStoner
The thought that there might be a plan #3 ....
I'm having a morbid urge for MOAR PHAIL!!
Originally by: Frenden Dax
My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.09.11 17:34:00 -
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I think a useful step would be to find someone who can your first language as well as English and get them to help explain the IPO templates for you.
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DIY copying in Liekuri
20:1 mineral compression
Nomad JF for sale |
jna
Caldari
Black Ash Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.09.11 18:35:00 -
[31]
Edited by: jna on 11/09/2008 18:35:49
Obvious troll is obvious.
Edit: Is this where I say "Page 2 snipa!"?
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Caeleste naves interretis res gravissimas sunt |
Obvious Troll
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Posted - 2008.09.12 01:59:00 -
[32]
Originally by: jna
Obvious troll is obvious.
Not always, not always.
In this case I think he's simply not the sharpest hammer in the short bus toolbox.
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Chomin H'ak
The Trivenerate
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:37:00 -
[33]
Originally by: jna
Edited by: jna on 11/09/2008 18:35:49
Obvious troll is obvious.
Kinda what I thought, too, but there's an element of "I have no idea what I'm doing I'm just glad to be here" that makes it actually sound legit.
Originally by: Frenden Dax
My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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Aislinn Phalanx
Black Shamrock Pharmaceuticals
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Posted - 2008.09.13 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Obvious Troll
Originally by: jna
Obvious troll is obvious.
Not always, not always.
In this case I think he's simply not the sharpest hammer in the short bus toolbox.
Actually, the tone sounds like a young kid ... but that is just my gut feeling. I'm sure there are some tweenagers that play EVE, see all the cool money flowing in and out and think that their long post (by grade school standards) explains everything floating around in their head. Option #2 is of course, troll.
Aislinn Phalanx
Logistics Director
Black Shamrock Pharmaceuticals
"We don't do combat, we make your combat better!" |
Mephie
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.14 03:07:00 -
[35]
Ricdic pointed this out the the last post, I'll quote him on it.
Originally by: Ricdic
...use a spell checker and think about it for a while. Make it clear and concise. Have someone with Grade 3 English skills resolve the grammar and spelling mistakes, remove the leet speak and explain why you want the funds and what you are willing to do to recieve them.
Really, it can't be said much better than this.
--Meph
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.09.14 20:59:00 -
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How about that, the OP is just is just a common scammer.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=873490
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.09.14 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
How about that, the OP is just is just a common scammer.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=873490
linked for the lazy
A very lame scammer at that. His tactics are very very amatuer hour. Both in this thread, his whining in the Ebank channel, and the tactics he used to for the GTC scam. He wont last long.
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Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.09.15 02:25:00 -
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Not a smart scam at all, CCP can kick his ass for it. They might choose not to get involved as it was via unsecured method but if they do he will get a nice negative wallet. |
Mephistocles
Red Frog Investments
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2008.09.15 02:38:00 -
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Is it too late to get in on the ground floor of this offering? I have eleventy billion isk that I'm looking to invest. Sir Doom, please get in contact with me post haste.
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frank frankenson
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Posted - 2008.09.15 05:46:00 -
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Sir Doom:
I think you are not going to overcome the lack of an answer to 2.??? in this business plan. Having a freighter or inty doesn't lead directly to profit.
If you are interested in a more viable plan I have a large number of the old 30 day GTCs that I just don't have the time to sell at a decent price. I could sell them all to you unsecured for a small fee if you will guarantee me 50% of the profits you make beyond that fee. Eve-mail me if you're interested.
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Dev7
Caldari
E-x7 Network
Capital Storm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Dev7 on 13/10/2008 14:04:14
I am sorry about Sir Doom posts but I was did not know about his actions.
If anyone loans such isk to him then i am not the one who will pay such isk back if he vanish with it.
Also I do not have such BPO-s or minerals. And I am not building TII components.
If he writes again about such a "plans" then this is false if he mentions my name in this. I have nothing to do with his business or his business plans!
And most certainly I am not responsible for his actions!
So please, leave me out of this! My reputation is clear!
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.13 15:06:00 -
[42]
Bumping a 1 month old thread 4tl |
Dev7
Caldari
E-x7 Network
Capital Storm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 12:38:00 -
[43]
1 month old or not but I said what I needed to say.
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Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 23:45:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Dev7
1 month old or not but I said what I needed to say.
You should go back to posting with your alt... he's more entertaining.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven
this thread is obviously going places
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Dev7
Caldari
E-x7 Network
Capital Storm
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:12:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Professor Leech
Originally by: Dev7
1 month old or not but I said what I needed to say.
You should go back to posting with your alt... he's more entertaining.
Sir Doom is not my alt!
I know him from RL but we are different ppl. He was in my corporation but not anymore. If you look his posts and mine then u see we write differently.
If you still don't belive me then please send me your MSN ingame and I send u proof and I will invite some ppl into conversation who will confirm this that we are different ppl.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dev7
If he gets ban or bad rep then he just sell char or make new one.
Hmmmmm... selling a toon with a ban on it is very dirty pool indeed. You'd think CCP wouldn't allow people to sell banned toons. Thanks for the link to Sir Doom's sale though. I intend to bid vigorously for the toon. Very vigorously as you can see. |
Dev7
Caldari
E-x7 Network
Capital Storm
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:18:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Dev7
If he gets ban or bad rep then he just sell char or make new one.
Hmmmmm... selling a toon with a ban on it is very dirty pool indeed. You'd think CCP wouldn't allow people to sell banned toons.
What I meaned is if he gets banned then he makes new char and if he gets bad rep then he just sells the bad rep char and make new or buys new char like he did once already and now trying to do again.
Also if u use search for his topics then there is pretty many topics where he tries to buy new char.
He got 1 Official warning also after scamming with GTC-s.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dev7
What I meaned is if he gets banned then he makes new char and if he gets bad rep then he just sells the bad rep char and make new or buys new char like he did once already and now trying to do again.
Please feel free to tell him in real life, for me, that he's an honorless dog. He'll probably laugh at the now but I can only wish him long enough life to learn how much that actually sucks. Probably about the time his child is dating one just like himself.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Dev7
Caldari
E-x7 Network
Capital Storm
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:07:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Dev7 on 16/10/2008 15:08:14
I belive that I wont be talking with him anymore.
He is same troubling in RL like ingame. He kinda back stabbed me with this topic that "I would pay his loans if he dissapears".
Also he is horrible corp hopper.
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Bund
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:01:00 -
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Considering our corp name is under his name at the very first post at this topic, I feel obligated to post in here to clear our name.
As I recruited Sir Doom I was unaware of his actions, and was lucky to find out about his dark side before he gained any trust whatsoever within our corp.
After 26 hours within our ranks we have kicked him the second we found out about this topic, and the GTC scam. We would like to distance us from anything he has done in the past, does in the present, and will do in the future.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:42:00 -
[51]
</popcorn>
Improve Market Competition! |
Dev7
Caldari
E-x7 Network
Capital Storm
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Posted - 2008.10.17 09:21:00 -
[52]
Found out that this is also his alt: LINK
But I doubt he is using it anymore..
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Dev7
Caldari
E-x7 Network
Order of the Black Dragons
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Posted - 2008.10.30 10:03:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Dev7 on 30/10/2008 10:04:09
Sir Doom's alt: Dark Cyberk is doing business again:
Link
Possibly he gets new char to scam again..
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