The Mittani you're an idiot for apologizing.

It won't stop people from doxing or harassing you. The opposition has nothing to do with what you said and everything to do with who you are a successful member of the CSM and a goon.

FLBP

Speaking of which, how is Lady Harlot doing? (S)he was posting like a mo-fo yesterday to uphold her man's honor but as soon as this thread came out the posting just stopped. I hope (s)he's ok.

Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:

10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000

Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.

The amount of hate and verbal abuse thrown at The Mittani and Goons in general makes this entire community absolutely reek of hypocrisy.

Wrong, there are two parallel threads totaling over 240 pages, it already has.

Actually drunkeness was rather expected, may that never change. He needs to learn how to handle his liquor better though.

The only real questions are:

Are Panel members at FanFest subject to the same restrictions on what they can say as people are in game or on the forums?
Are CSM members subject to the same restrictions on what they can say as people are in game or on the forums?
If so, does this apply at all times or only when acting in their official capacity as CSM members?

If the decision that they apply to anyone speaking at FanFest in person, or at all times to people on the CSM, then the normal rules should apply. Namely a ban whose length should be determined by the circumstance by CCP.

Stepping down from his position as chairman or from the CSM entirely is another matter, but I believe those decisions would be directly affected by the decisions made above... then appropriate PUN-ishments can be determined (if any).

(See, now they are going to be all confused again).

If you really, truly, deeply honestly believe that The Mittani was wrong by what he said while drunk at a party in Iceland do this

Every one of those articles has the Eurogamer article as it's primary source, which cites Twitter as it's primary source, forgive me for not considering them serious news outlets.

I think everyone will be happy to after justice is served.

Since this whole issue is based purely on his words, which according to you are worth nothing, then he has literally done nothing wrong... especially when he took no "action" to harass anyone at all.

I as going to add Army of Lovers, Aga Doo, and the Birdie Songe but even I wouldn't be that cruel to link to them.

This was never anything over the game. I was having fun with the guys and it did not hurt my in game wallet. I am sorry that after talking to them I told them more then I should.
None of this is over the game itself. I am 47 and try not to let game things bother me. It is hard to do sometimes But it happens.
So I vented my frustration to him fine. Done.. But to make it public. Ok that I guess only hurts me.. But to call out my name and encourge people to go after me.. Well that is different.
The mail I sent him I had allot of double enduwindows for him to get a laugh out of. LIke I will go play with myself. that was ment for a laugh on his part.

You can ask him what he wants but the answer wont make any difference it's CCP that has to sort out this mess.

Prince, that's actually fairly disturbing.

How much of a stretch is it to realize that either you or I could lose our temper some day and say something hurtful on a forum/tweet/facebook page.

I wonder how many catty remarks our teenage daughters and sons have made online in an arguement with someone.

Cyber Bullying, an organized and relentless attempt to harrass someone online is one thing. A single tweet is something else entirely.

Must have been a dozy.

Inciting a riot, yeah I can see that one.

Making racist comments, I honestly didn't think that was illegal anywhere... although I realize freedom of speech is not a universal constant. If someone is stupid enough to make public their lack of intelligence by voicing such rubbish, so be it. They should be prepared for the social backlash... but it being against the law to express your point of view (no matter how uneducated) is a bit much.

Then again, I didin't see the tweets so perhaps there is something more directly damaging involved I am unaware of.

At least I hope so.

Don't communicate with it, just ignore it.

Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online.

Well having now read his freak out session on EN24
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/

I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets.
Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away.
I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons.
Good riddence to the guy.

OP, there is no place in real life (or Eve) for this sort of attitude to someone's real life and death problems. A simple apology is not enough. This requires actions, not words, so I hope you get the message and we either never see your like in Eve again or we see a very different person.

Its already i the thread?

Odd you could miss the many eve 24 posts of the goon web page leak or all the pasterbins showing he was trying to weasle out of stepping down from csm by only stepping down from the chair and trying to stay in the CSM.


Really now. Your blind with rage or something that you missed that?

When in Iceland, I stumbled: my presentation was boring, I was hideously drunk, and I said something entirely regrettable. My apology upon my return was not a troll (though our in-game enemies are trying to imply it is just a calculated move); as a maniacal control freak, me getting that drunk leaves me with a foul opinion of myself and I wish I hadnGÇÖt done as I had.

-- snip ---

After I fell on my sword in public in an act of honest contrition, anyone still holding a grudge about my presentation and making ****** posts about it is probably one of GSFGÇÖs ancient foes, or someone we blew up in Eve -Pnline. The same old rogueGÇÖs gallery is there GÇô all the same faces and their NPC alts who cry in each and every anti-Goonswarm thread, every goddamned day.

-- snip ---

This isnGÇÖt to say that I didnGÇÖt act like a jackass GÇô I fell on my sword for a good reason. But the media shitstorm is a nexus of several factors working together, accelerated by people who hate us in the game itself.

-- snip ---

I apologized personally to The Wis; There is no question that I went too far and drank too much, and ignored advice that I shouldnGÇÖt use that specific slide at all. Many of you disagree, and thatGÇÖs fine; as you know, IGÇÖm kind of a squishball in person rather than an internet hardman. That said, my apology to The Wis doesnGÇÖt extend towards the gaming media who are trying to make a quick buck by whoring traffic by dumping on me without actually investigating what took place, and that apology certainly doesnGÇÖt extend to hypocritical shitbags like Jade Constantine or Issler Dainze who are explicitly trying to use this controversy to further an ingame political agenda.

Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.

You know how much bad **** that your little "funny" comment has dredged up for me? Did you think about that before you said it, or are you just going to use alcohol as a crutch?

Look, I still feel that he should be thrown out of the game forever for what he said, but I'm not going to cry on the forums here about what has happened, nor get dragged into a fight that I'll probably say something stupid; especially given how I feel right now.

He also says he knows he screwed up.
He also says apology was sincere
He also says that he wishes he could take it back

I like how you skipped a response on the last page.

And yes: I can accept to be banned for this, that's NOT the point!

See the difference?

Maybe next time vote for someone who has a reputation as being able to act like what is expected from a CSM member?

I donGÇÖt think this decision is the best one for the game, but it is MittenGÇÖs decision to make, and I support him 100%. What he is doing is what he thinks is best for the game as a whole, which is what he has been doing during the entire CSM 6 term.

I have watched Alex wrestle with this decision over the past few days, and I hope I have been helpful in some small way as he came to it.
ItGÇÖs the right decision for him, the community, the CSM, and our friends at CCP.
I look forward to serving with Alex on CSM7.

This has been a difficult few days and Alex did not make this decision lightly. The next CSM has a lot of work ahead of it now. Mittens has helped shape the CSM into itGÇÖs current form and IGÇÖve no doubt he will help where he can as he always has. I am glad that he has taken this step so that we can all move forward to doing what the community elected us to do.

A new hat: Mittani the altruist.
While the CSM did not ask for this action, I do respect and support it. From my perspective, which is not infallible but quite keen, Alex was the most successful CSM chair in that he helped usher in a new era of the CSM where the rigid bureaucratic processes were thrown aside to streamline the process and allow all voices to be equally as significant. A solid change that has borne fruit in what has been an incredibly effective CSM term. As a member of CSM 6, I have nothing but good things to say about how useful and effective Mittani was. I have no doubts that Alex will continue to work hard as a CSM 7 member and I look forward to working with him in the coming year

Why are people apologising for The Martini?

Ingredients

1 ounce dry vermouth
4 ounces gin

Glass Type

Cocktail glass

Instructions

Fill a metal shaker with cracked ice. Pour in the dry vermouth, stir briefly, and strain out (this may be discarded). Add 4 ounces gin -- you want it around 94-proof. Stir briskly for about 10 seconds, strain into chilled cocktail glass, and garnish with an olive.

What the heck is there to apologise for you ******* heathens?

Nope.

"What is the CSM?": "They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow."
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM#Candidate_Eligibility

Whether that is applicable in the situation or not can be debated, but saying that there are no rules of conduct that apply to CSM but not other players is untrue.

I am also not one of the people who hate everything the Goons do. I have respect for your ability to hold your space, and I have no issues whatsoever with you "burning Jita".

But I still do not think his deeds so far excuse being a total ******* the way he did. He was the most famous CSM member, and he is not just doing concrete stuff. Who he is and how he acts defines very strongly what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in the community. What he did was not just one mistake; it was a way across the line culmination of years of borderline behavior.

Enough is enough now. Time to move onto something different.

Its fu'king chilldish how 90% of the goon Reply's on this Post are just plane Sick Rude and Stupid

You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)

"I was really drunk at the time" stops being a sincere apology at about age 16. It's an attempt at an excuse.

There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.

While I don't condone the act, the fact people are making it sound like he's making an excuse is pure nonsense

"Cyberbullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." -Bill Belsey

hmmmmm

He was a public person and player. The US supreme court has ruled in the past that a public person is not as protected as a private person.

And we are addressing his positions as said public person.

Irony thy name is goon. Look, you bunch of professional window lickers, you got out EVEd plain and simple. You lost. Mittani lost and is banned LOL. Losers always lose and winners always win.

But we can't help it, every tear is so wonderful, every time they post we get to laugh. It is just too much fun.

Yes I edited it out, Ill admit I would love to hear that, I'm not gonna deny it, because its truth, no I am not drunk, wish I was, ran outta tequila the other day I retracted what I said because well, I do have a temper and realized that saying that was just wrong, thinking it is another matter.... that makes my 'wish would die in a car accident' list at around 150 or so XD

The fact that a single drunk capsuleer saying something in very poor taste in a room full of drunk people can generate a much larger thread than WIS in less than 5% of the time the WIS thread has been in existence shows how little the playerbase really care about barbies.

[Thank you for your substantial contribution.

Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.

Just to point out the painfully obvious.

What Mittani did is not only childish, and stupid

but also against the law

He apologized for being drunk at the time and not "remembering" what he said.

His "apology" is bullshit. Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation? Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience? Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email? Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments?

Because unless you can claim that he's been drunk this whole time and not knowing what he has done, his apology is nothing more than a politician's apology for getting caught.

Fixed. And agreed. I hope so too.

If I made an apology like that and people believed me, then I would think people are pretty dumb.

The Mittani thinks people are pretty dumb. Coincidence?

AI Shun, just let these people have their circlejerk. This thread is pretty much dead now.

right... let me say it again as you missed it the first time:



Thx for proving my point

The US for ONE

Its called Cyberbullying and if needed I can yet again get those definitions (including the one that says "when it involves adults is accompanied with jail time)
and YES, in the US its illegal (Arizona especially).

Which makes me wonder when playing EVE will become a crime

You cant possibly be that naieve?

Why would someone wanna role play theyre that stupid that they cant tell the difference

All that text. Still didn't address the point that it was (presumably) an ocean away and used no technology.

sooooo it WASNT broadcast on the internet, and the people he planned to use to get that person to commit suicide WERENT using computers (Some of which wouldnt then be "an ocean away"?

Come on man, haven't you been reading these forums at all? Goons don't have any free will. The Mittani coerces their cooperation through terrorism and fear.