It was a private message. You know, private.
But what mittens said:


(bolds no in original)

That is similar to telling people "go make this guy kill himself". In his position (as goons CEO and on CSM) can be considered as if he actually pulled the trigger himself if by any bad chance the guy would have actually kill himself.

The Mittani was the person who first decided it would be funny to tell everybody about Wis.

That's right. He has an obligation to serve on the CSM and represent MY interests and the interests of everyone who elected him.

He owned his mistake and has went above and beyond to make amends. He does not owe any of you anything more.

Didn't know Mittani is a roleplayer

No, he can't because the guy in question was never hurt nor even know what was said, then when he found out, he didn't even care about it. He didn't care about the entire situation. It's not even a case of cyber bullying.

Thereis No way he was ever a real practising lawyer.. No way...

Your speculation is hilarious, you literally have no idea what you are posting about.

I'm going to go out on a limb here..

I do not have sympathy for anyone who says they want to commit suicide. I think its a sign of weakness and a ploy for attention. If someone says that they are considering suicide then they by god better be serious. I think anyone who makes such a claim should be arrested and sent to a psychiatric ward. It's one of the things that pisses me off more than anything.

I have often thought that some of these people should just do it, instead of constantly talking about it and using it as a ploy for attention. But this is mostly a cynnical and sarcastic opinion and I would never dream of actually walking up to someone and telling them to do it.


My point is... I'm sure a lot of us have had similar opinions that we would never openly act on.

I do not for one second believe that he had any intention of actually trying to get someone to commit suicide. I think to him at that moment it was a dark and uncouth joke. Granted one that may or may not have had real life consequences. But it was said in jest none the less.

Anyone who is sitting at home thinking that Mittens would actually want to see someone do harm to themselves has obviously never spoken to him and probably does not know the type of person he actually is.

I think everyone deserves a chance at redemption.

Clearly posts are not meant to be read or understood. That would require critical thinking skills and the like.

For practising barristers in England and Wales:-

You're quite right.

Note the above emphasis.

You are now morally superior to mittens!

Dude, it's easy to take the high road when the magnifying glass isn't on you.

Serious question. Do you read the things your write back to yourself as you write them? I have a hard time believing that you wrote something like that after considering it honestly.

Also, your "first sentence" is pretty ironic. Apparently your post contains no content worth reading either. Certainly they couldn't be using a commonly used lead in phrasing or literary common phrase. No sir, he must just be a moron, better not read the post to find out.

WTG on keeping things in perspective buddy

They won't remove him because CCP, to my knowledge, has no real power to do so because he was fairly elected. This situation at the panel has absolutely no bearing on the CSM what-so-ever. Those that are making it an issue are those that were butt hurt that Mittens has so much support, and the fact that he won and they are jealous about it.

CCP should merely chat ban him or some other sort of short period administrative type ban at the extreme.

Permanently banned. Really? Ok, so lets say I heard you make a racial joke while drunk, then told your boss about it and your boss fired you and made sure you would never be able to get a job for the rest of your life, you would be ok with that?

You are simply stupid.

No, so stop posting stupid things.

The funny thing is, nothing will happen to him. He tries to get some guy to commit suicide, blames it on the bear, writes a small smoothly written apology, and gets 500 sheeple responses of "OH I LOVE YOU SO MUCH ITS OK IF THAT GUY DIES!".

/shrug

How CCP reacts to this shows whether they condone this level of behavior or not. If they do, at least we'll know what folks can get away with in EVE. Pushing for RL violence and death will become an acceptable tactic for dealing with your enemy.

Are you drunk and or high right now? Your posts are clearly being made in an inebriated way, and clearly you should be removed from your corp and alliance, perma banned, and should be fired from your job, and put in prison because of this.

So are you now going to wage war on Crime and punishment?

Because this kind of thing happens all the time in there.

Nobody is defending what he did at Fanfest, that was dumb. It's people drawing attention to this because they are opposed to what he has done for the betterment of the game as a whole, or because of bitterness over petty bullshit like getting suicide ganked, scammed or whatever by Goonswarm members.

You don't have a higher moral ground to stand on and you should stop pretending that you do.

snizzype

Aren't you the one that has been posting about how you're contacting literally every gaming blog in existence about this thing?

Your stupid posting is still endangering my life, please stop. You might find adverse things happening to your real life because of my endangered life with your stupid posting.

Realy? A perma-ban for something as trivial as this...
I'm sure there are much worse things going on in the eve-o universe...
Gtfo

so suddenly suffering from depression having just screwed your rl up is grounds for demanding to be given immunity ingame from being shot or trolled - wow, just wow, wtf has this game come to and when did we get taken over by the high sec carebears

lolololol. no

Aww look at him being all mad
Ablooo blooo bloooo

Guys, guys, we need to stop! I think Mittens' sterling reputation on the Eve Online Dot Com forums are taking a hit!

Are you guys aware that by repeatedly quoting Wis and making his name and backstory known all over the forums, that you do more to isolate him and drive him over the edge than Mittens could ever have done?
The apology sounded sincere, and I am sure that our beloved chariman will settle the thing with Wis in a private manner, no more publicity needed.
Now, please let this topic die already, there will nothing good come out of it.

you are a special snowflake - fighting the good fight - keep up the good work defending the weak and vunerable all around the world - you might want to start by looking around are realising that in this ****** world we live in people get kurb stomped all day every day in rl - i dont see you running arund worried about them - you just seem a little obbsesed with throwing dirt around

once again - i ask you to show us on the doll where the mittani touched you

Naaah, Prof A is just a very angry about suicide ganking looking at his posting history. Of course, that's totally irrelevant to his valiant quest to have OUR CEO jailed for attempted murder, and I'm sure any other alliance leader would be subject to a similar honoUrable crusade for justice.

I'm a psychic. I see your future will include locator agents, ganking, frustration, tears and being trolled.

you have a lot of opinions - most of them are wrong - that must be painful to live with everyday

Those laws are for the protection of Minors. The Wis was clearly not(he was married long enough for his wife to get cancer and leave him over it, remember?)

It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas.

When I grow up can I be as stupid as you?

At least in the US, no document signed by anyone under 18 is legally binding, because minors are legally defined as mentally incompetent. Sorry!

The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game.

The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so.

I have no problem with CCP getting a public kicking over this, although I don't particularly desire it. However, whilst I think that what The Mittani did was a very unfortunate thing to do in the context of a social game, and whilst I think there should be consequences for it within the game to discourage such behaviour, I don't think it is a sufficiently bad thing to warrant the god-awful intrusion into his real life that will follow if the regular media get hold of the story. Alex is a person too (a nasty, unpleasant person who takes pleasure in causing others suffering - sure) and I just don't see his getting RL grief for this to be a positive outcome.

Okay, how about we wait a week and continue this discussion? The story will have whimpered out, Mittani will still be on the CSM and I'll be smug as hell.

Your brain is melting. Seriously. If you continue like this for much longer you might have to biomass just to get rid of the shame.

Just kill yourself and biomass
for the greater good of eve

taking my trash out.

I agree, they should get rid of your terrible, terrible posting

Mittani has single-handedly given Eve Online pariah status. I wonder how much this has cost CCP in terms of wasted PR dollars. The last thing Sony wants is to see major media linking Dust with online suicides and cyber-bullying. This would be the kiss of death to CCP.

Your tears of fiction sustain me
Sony aint going to do **** so you can chill down with that one bro

Kill yourself and that should do us all good

"Professor", somehow I don't think you're trolling, so the only other possibility is you being extremely delusional.

what ever you are smoking....
Ill have some

Keep posting.

As much as I dislike "one strike and you're out" laws,

=/

damn people are still mad about this crap?

This didn't go beyond forum PVP, Professor. This was someone doing what a drunk person does: say stupid s**t. He came back, he apologized and unlike some people, it appears that The Mittani AND the "victim" in question have moved on.



Get it? Moved on. Acted like adults, talked it out.



Try it some time. You will be required to endure daylight at some point, however.

OMG are you STILL posting badly - i have been out had lunch and a drink with friends, had a smoke in the sunshine, read a book on how to survive bad posting; only to come back to find your angry posting per minute ratio has increased.

you win the angry random guy award for today

i still think that somewhere sometime a lawyer called Alex has clearly run away with your girlfriend.

Please don't try to steal a line from someone else in order to sound funny. It almost never works out well.

No problem citizen, all in a day's work.

Though I do agree, much too warm for tea.

No. No it really didn't.

102 pages and no Lady Harlot?

Damn, that alone is refreshing.

Also noticed there has been no post from Lyris Nairn either

I can't help but feel these first 105 pages have only scratched the surface of the real issue here,. lets try and clear it up in the next 105

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I will ensure this ISK is funneled back to Mittani so he can start a new alt secretly and not be p00r.

This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.

Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.

Christ.

I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.

I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.

If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.

[quote=Professor Alphane


I would suggest screenies of you biomassing

The irony!

You know what, though?

This whole thing puts a completely different spin on the phrase "suicide ganking"

Bazinga.

This has to stop!

Right now the forums are more fun than actually playing the game.

Should be the reverse right?

Good thing your mind doesn't hold weight.