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Dungar Loghoth Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.12 20:30:00 - [31] Originally by: Porgy Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Slinktress is one of the most delusional people I've met in eve. Someone had to step into the position now that Peoke quit. porgy if you keep up this great posting people are going to think im alt-posting ---
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.12 22:13:00 - [32] Originally by: awebon Relaying infomation as the person cba due to being in pathetic legion [17:25:56] Doctor Zayus > poast in that lotd post, after the guy says "you forgot rise" that nothing PL could have done or anyone else (eye of terror, KOS fail spam, BRUCE etc..) all paled in comparison to yaay's morale speech to them pl leaked the morale speech to the internet and the rest of rise
Porgy Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.09.12 22:26:00 - [33] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Porgy Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Slinktress is one of the most delusional people I've met in eve. Someone had to step into the position now that Peoke quit. porgy if you keep up this great posting people are going to think im alt-posting I don't think I'll ever be that great. Although Korinn was kind enough the other night to tell me what a wonderful poaster I am and has inspired to me to double my efforts. _______________________
Lord Wiggin Gallente Syntech Research and Development	Posted - 2008.09.13 00:16:00 - [34] Originally by: mazzilliu i dont see how the wardec will change you guys trying to rat all day in other people's systems. now it just means you can't rat in highsec. v0v Lol, now Mazz, I wasn't involved in the negotiations, but Sebs limited understanding had you renting us all of Skaven when we came down there. That quickly came to an end when SOT reinforced our towers. Now it's clear from Sebastion's recent behavior that he's either off his meds, or off his rocker, but are you saying you never setup a rental agreement to rent Skaven to him? Just curious as to how far out of it he was, some of your posted conversations with him seemed to indicate that we were rented that constellation.... Really doesn't matter at this point, and I'm not concerned one way or the other, just curious is all. "The only rules in war are those that you can force upon your enemy."
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.13 01:49:00 - [35] Originally by: Lord Wiggin Originally by: mazzilliu i dont see how the wardec will change you guys trying to rat all day in other people's systems. now it just means you can't rat in highsec. v0v Lol, now Mazz, I wasn't involved in the negotiations, but Sebs limited understanding had you renting us all of Skaven when we came down there. That quickly came to an end when SOT reinforced our towers. Now it's clear from Sebastion's recent behavior that he's either off his meds, or off his rocker, but are you saying you never setup a rental agreement to rent Skaven to him? Just curious as to how far out of it he was, some of your posted conversations with him seemed to indicate that we were rented that constellation.... Really doesn't matter at this point, and I'm not concerned one way or the other, just curious is all. i never said that. i told him that renting skaven was going to be unfeasable because SOT didn't like it, and SOT wasnt who you were paying. so i told him that next month i wasnt going to charge him for skaven and that he could no longer have skaven exclusively. i was also stopping renting any area of fountain exclusively because of the problems it caused. also i had to go out of town for 2 weeks sometime during that, and i guess my replacement didnt get that detail. i didnt really know the problem wasnt solved till around when the wardec came. sebastian is probably the most emo pet ceo ive had to deal with though, so im not really surprised at this responce. he's even more emo then that other renter that lost a bunch of carriers to stupidity.
Lord Wiggin Gallente Syntech Research and Development	Posted - 2008.09.13 02:53:00 - [36] Thanks for the response Mazz. From his strange behavior, I have to assume that he was never all there, and that we never got the real story from him. Rumor is he is now ripping off what's left of his Corp, so have pity on any that are left. "The only rules in war are those that you can force upon your enemy."
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.13 03:44:00 - [37] Originally by: Lord Wiggin Thanks for the response Mazz. From his strange behavior, I have to assume that he was never all there, and that we never got the real story from him. Rumor is he is now ripping off what's left of his Corp, so have pity on any that are left. [8) welp!
Ariashley Caldari The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.14 03:09:00 - [38] Edited by: Ariashley on 14/09/2008 03:13:44 Originally by: mazzilliu Originally by: Lord Wiggin Originally by: mazzilliu i dont see how the wardec will change you guys trying to rat all day in other people's systems. now it just means you can't rat in highsec. v0v Lol, now Mazz, I wasn't involved in the negotiations, but Sebs limited understanding had you renting us all of Skaven when we came down there. That quickly came to an end when SOT reinforced our towers. Now it's clear from Sebastion's recent behavior that he's either off his meds, or off his rocker, but are you saying you never setup a rental agreement to rent Skaven to him? Just curious as to how far out of it he was, some of your posted conversations with him seemed to indicate that we were rented that constellation.... Really doesn't matter at this point, and I'm not concerned one way or the other, just curious is all. i never said that. i told him that renting skaven was going to be unfeasable because SOT didn't like it, and SOT wasnt who you were paying. so i told him that next month i wasnt going to charge him for skaven and that he could no longer have skaven exclusively. i was also stopping renting any area of fountain exclusively because of the problems it caused. also i had to go out of town for 2 weeks sometime during that, and i guess my replacement didnt get that detail. i didnt really know the problem wasnt solved till around when the wardec came. sebastian is probably the most emo pet ceo ive had to deal with though, so im not really surprised at this responce. he's even more emo then that other renter that lost a bunch of carriers to stupidity. Now clearly Seb just royally screwed those that decided to stay in LOTD (when most of us bugged out a while ago). He deleted their alliance forums and hasn't been online since the wardec. However, here's the bit I remember about negotiating after LOTD had agreed to rent all of Skaven and paid for it: [ 2008.07.15 03:56:27 ] mazzilliu > and i cant give you guys any rights to rat/mine in SoT sov systems [ 2008.07.15 03:56:35 ] mazzilliu > but you can rat and mine in PL sov systems just no poses [ 2008.07.15 03:56:40 ] Sebastion Telznik > we can work that out with SOT [ 2008.07.15 03:56:49 ] mazzilliu > yes [ 2008.07.15 03:56:54 ] Sebastion Telznik > they pretty much said we can mine in their systems and rat but have to leave if SOT members ask [ 2008.07.15 03:57:05 ] Sebastion Telznik > without towers to safe up in it's difficult [ 2008.07.15 03:57:34 ] Liashley > nobody likes to run around in a bunch of hulks with no where to go if hostiles pop into the system [ 2008.07.15 03:58:13 ] mazzilliu > yeah [ 2008.07.15 03:58:19 ] mazzilliu > i'm no sot diplomat, though [ 2008.07.15 03:58:22 ] Liashley > so are there any constellations available? [ 2008.07.15 03:58:48 ] mazzilliu > yeah, skaven and griffin are the ones i looked at [ 2008.07.15 03:58:52 ] Liashley > other than Skaven's 3 systems with 12 belts and Griffins with the only good system not available... [ 2008.07.15 03:58:53 ] mazzilliu > both together arent good enough for you? [ 2008.07.15 03:59:24 ] mazzilliu > then can you tell me what a third constellation nearby the other two [ 2008.07.15 03:59:29 ] Liashley > well I understood that 1-5 and TU are not really available [ 2008.07.15 03:59:29 ] Sebastion Telznik > is it possible to at least deploy one small tower in 1-5 and TU then we can probably work something out [ 2008.07.15 04:00:41 ] mazzilliu > do you think you would be able to make do with a small or medium tower? [ 2008.07.15 04:00:57 ] Sebastion Telznik > yes [ 2008.07.15 04:00:59 ] mazzilliu > that way we dont have to worry about accidentally breaking sov, and you guys can have your hidey place [ 2008.07.15 04:01:16 ] Sebastion Telznik > we just need to put up hangars and a few guns and that's it [ 2008.07.15 04:01:18 ] Liashley > and someplace to store combat ships is always nice... [ 2008.07.15 04:01:19 ] Sebastion Telznik > and an SMA Just sayin
obiwangkenobi	Posted - 2008.09.14 03:10:00 - [39] Ya, the corps in LOTD, and even the corp he was running didnt know one single thing about the Wardec. Also, he also wardecced EC, Syntech, and SoT. Removed all roles and then bailed. Most of us had to bail out of the corp/alliance in a hurry. - r0b
Ethen Bejorn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.09.14 03:53:00 - [40] Originally by: obiwangkenobi Ya, the corps in LOTD, and even the corp he was running didnt know one single thing about the Wardec. Also, he also wardecced EC, Syntech, and SoT. Removed all roles and then bailed. Most of us had to bail out of the corp/alliance in a hurry. - r0b He is a PL alt. Duh.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.14 05:50:00 - [41] Originally by: obiwangkenobi Ya, the corps in LOTD, and even the corp he was running didnt know one single thing about the Wardec. Also, he also wardecced EC, Syntech, and SoT. Removed all roles and then bailed. Most of us had to bail out of the corp/alliance in a hurry. - r0b you know i wasn't going to believe an unlabeled alt with an exclamation mark portrait, but i checked ingame and it's true omg if you guys can get back together with a less batshit insane ceo you can keep renting as lords of the damned or whatever new alliance. if you want.
Ariashley Caldari The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.14 07:14:00 - [42] Edited by: Ariashley on 14/09/2008 07:15:58 Pretty sure Seb made LOTD unusable by anyone, locked it down, and bailed. Thus, none of the poor sods still left in the alliance can do anything to shut off the wardecs. Seb gets to destroy the few assets left to those who stuck with him to the end. I feel really bad for anyone that got stuck - and there are quite a few. I'm just glad I bailed a month ago (despite a number of people I liked very much staying on for a while). Pretty much everyone who went with LOTD to Fountain lost, leaving with many many fewer assets than they arrived with. LOTD has been dying from the day it agreed to rent in Fountain, even if most people didn't recognize it immediately. Lesson learned: Renting fails. Just don't do it. Either join an alliance that owns space, tries to own space, makes no pretense at trying to own and just runs around killing people, or gtfo of 0.0. PS - obiwangkanobi (who just needs to turn on his ticker info) is not a PL alt. He was (maybe still is) definitely in LOTD.
wangsolo Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.16 00:37:00 - [43] Originally by: obiwangkenobi Ya, the corps in LOTD, and even the corp he was running didnt know one single thing about the Wardec. Also, he also wardecced EC, Syntech, and SoT. Removed all roles and then bailed. Most of us had to bail out of the corp/alliance in a hurry. - r0b Should have used this character, sorry! - r0b
Lysander Kaldenn Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.09.16 03:29:00 - [44] Originally by: Lord Wiggin Originally by: mazzilliu i dont see how the wardec will change you guys trying to rat all day in other people's systems. now it just means you can't rat in highsec. v0v Lol, now Mazz, I wasn't involved in the negotiations, but Sebs limited understanding had you renting us all of Skaven when we came down there. That quickly came to an end when SOT reinforced our towers. Now it's clear from Sebastion's recent behavior that he's either off his meds, or off his rocker, but are you saying you never setup a rental agreement to rent Skaven to him? Just curious as to how far out of it he was, some of your posted conversations with him seemed to indicate that we were rented that constellation.... Really doesn't matter at this point, and I'm not concerned one way or the other, just curious is all. As if you guys were attacked without provocation? You dropped poses in Griffin. You were told to pull them up. You were told not to rat that constellation. You refused. We shot you. Your towers were reinforced because you tried to take space that you weren't entitled too, Griffin not Skaven. You guys might think about re-forming BLAST. Maybe you could pick up slinktress' corp and whats left of pure. You could call it BUSTED.
Lord Wiggin Gallente Syntech Research and Development	Posted - 2008.09.17 13:35:00 - [45] Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn Originally by: Lord Wiggin Originally by: mazzilliu i dont see how the wardec will change you guys trying to rat all day in other people's systems. now it just means you can't rat in highsec. v0v Lol, now Mazz, I wasn't involved in the negotiations, but Sebs limited understanding had you renting us all of Skaven when we came down there. That quickly came to an end when SOT reinforced our towers. Now it's clear from Sebastion's recent behavior that he's either off his meds, or off his rocker, but are you saying you never setup a rental agreement to rent Skaven to him? Just curious as to how far out of it he was, some of your posted conversations with him seemed to indicate that we were rented that constellation.... Really doesn't matter at this point, and I'm not concerned one way or the other, just curious is all. As if you guys were attacked without provocation? You dropped poses in Griffin. You were told to pull them up. You were told not to rat that constellation. You refused. We shot you. Your towers were reinforced because you tried to take space that you weren't entitled too, Griffin not Skaven. You guys might think about re-forming BLAST. Maybe you could pick up slinktress' corp and whats left of pure. You could call it BUSTED. Try reading the excerpt above from Mazz's conversation with the LOTD diplos. Certainly seems that Mazz was renting us part of Skaven and part of Griffin (The original agreement was for all of Skaven, until SOT jumped in) Certainly Seb couldn't diplo his way out of a paper bag, and should have pushed to get your diplo into the convo with Mazz. But it appears the only thing we were guilty of, was assuming that Mazz knew what was available to rent, and assuming that PL would actually stand behind an Agreement. "The only rules in war are those that you can force upon your enemy."
Dwight Hammerhead Caldari Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.09.17 16:29:00 - [46] In unrelated news SOT has also been deced by LOTD. Entire command staff is in state of panic atm, and i am unable to get more comemnts on the matter at this time Seriously though, its usually nice to talk to ppl before doing stuff, rather than doing stuff and then hoping ppl will talk to you. And i have always been a very patient guy, looking at things from all possible angles. Not smth you will get from my replacements. Also, GL with that war. /me docks alt. haulers throughout empire space _____________________________________________ Too bad at photoshop and too poor to buy a sig. Amarr Victor? Unlikely.
Lord Wiggin Gallente Syntech Research and Development	Posted - 2008.09.17 18:58:00 - [47] Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead In unrelated news SOT has also been deced by LOTD. Entire command staff is in state of panic atm, and i am unable to get more comemnts on the matter at this time Seriously though, its usually nice to talk to ppl before doing stuff, rather than doing stuff and then hoping ppl will talk to you. And i have always been a very patient guy, looking at things from all possible angles. Not smth you will get from my replacements. Also, GL with that war. /me docks alt. haulers throughout empire space He Deced everyone, including us, because we left before the final act. But not to worry, Sebastion is afraid to log on after screwing all his people, all his corps bailed, and most of his people too. As for the Diplo issues, Sebastion claimed he had it all worked out....guess that was not the case. "The only rules in war are those that you can force upon your enemy."
Ariashley Caldari The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.17 19:33:00 - [48] Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn As if you guys were attacked without provocation? You dropped poses in Griffin. You were told to pull them up. You were told not to rat that constellation. You refused. We shot you. Your towers were reinforced because you tried to take space that you weren't entitled too, Griffin not Skaven. See below for why LOTD dropped towers in Griffin: [ 2008.07.15 03:58:22 ] Liashley > so are there any constellations available? [ 2008.07.15 03:58:48 ] mazzilliu > yeah, skaven and griffin are the ones i looked at At the end of that conversation (I don't have the whole chat log here), Mazziliu recommended that we (LOTD) drop towers in skaven and griffin ASAP. It was a complete shock to us that SOT then decided to shoot them and Mazziliu was on a break and not available to participate in a conversation with the SOT diplo to help resolve the issue. Note that it seemed as though the SOT diplo really just wanted to fly around some dreads shooting things, since he was bored.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.18 03:34:00 - [49] Edited by: mazzilliu on 18/09/2008 03:36:10 Originally by: Ariashley Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn As if you guys were attacked without provocation? You dropped poses in Griffin. You were told to pull them up. You were told not to rat that constellation. You refused. We shot you. Your towers were reinforced because you tried to take space that you weren't entitled too, Griffin not Skaven. See below for why LOTD dropped towers in Griffin: [ 2008.07.15 03:58:22 ] Liashley > so are there any constellations available? [ 2008.07.15 03:58:48 ] mazzilliu > yeah, skaven and griffin are the ones i looked at At the end of that conversation (I don't have the whole chat log here), Mazziliu recommended that we (LOTD) drop towers in skaven and griffin ASAP. It was a complete shock to us that SOT then decided to shoot them and Mazziliu was on a break and not available to participate in a conversation with the SOT diplo to help resolve the issue. Note that it seemed as though the SOT diplo really just wanted to fly around some dreads shooting things, since he was bored. i did come back you know, and i did offer compensation to seb for not being able to rent griffin, but he didnt really respond to that(edit: i would offer logs, but evemail interface doesnt keep a "sent" folder). i didnt realize SOT cared about griffin otherwise i would not have rented it. renting constellation in fountain anymore is a moot point, im not messing with that anymore.
Gjs312 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.18 03:45:00 - [50] OP is a viper ****zie alt if anyone is wondering btw
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.18 04:13:00 - [51] Originally by: Gjs312 OP is a viper ****zie alt if anyone is wondering btw Yeah, I'm pretty sure anyone with a brain can showinfo on the corp and figure out who it is. Still bitter you were kicked?
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.09.18 13:45:00 - [52] Originally by: Hubris I have a really cool sig I have nothing constructive to add - just wanted to say I like your sig - 'Do the evolution' is one of my favorite music vids. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Gjs312 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.18 15:24:00 - [53] If I was mabey I would be? I dunno thats a pretty confusing/dumb question I guess but at the same time its coad so hono(u)r dictates I must answer so there you go. No more hard questions plz though.
P8REIT Solstice Systems Development Concourse Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.09.18 17:20:00 - [54] Okay so here is how it all ended up....Seb is a F**ing ussy. I anounced that UHK was dropping LOTD after his epic fail of a run at being a leader. I then logged out and about 5 hours later logged back in to find that he had removed all roles from his directors...well every member! Then in true Seb fasion started to stomp around and cry like a little *****. When treating his corp mates and directors no longer worked he then war deced every alliance he could think of. I personally would love to meet this kid and kick the crap out of him. He hurt a ton of really good players and left everyone of them without any of their assests. He is a bad leader and that is his best quality. As for the diplo situation I tried on what felt like an endless amount of times to get him to turn this over to myself or anyone else. Crap a dog or monkey could have done a better freaking job than him. UHK made what amounted to a very bad choice. I have left the UHK, handing it over to what I feel is a good leader, someone that will take it in a new direction. I hoe that everyone that was in LOTD fairs better in their next undergoing.

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