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velox
Darkside Gardens
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Posted - 2012.04.14 07:49:00 -
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Morphite might spike a bit but i dont see this as a major problem, 4 or 5 years ago it sat in the high 30k per unit.
Yes its used in production but only in limited numbers, it doesnt hold a big sway over the items final selling price like say nanotransistors going from 1500isk a unit 5 years ago to the 8k a unit it is today. (currently the biggest cost factor in t2 ships)
Certainly nothing worth speculating billions on. over the past year its averaged about 2 million units sold a day in jita until the last weeks speculating where the price has spiked.
Take a damnation BPC it needs 300 units of morphite so at todays prices 5 mill isk if it trebled to 54k per unit thats only a 10 mill increase in the end cost. I doubt many would blink an eye at a 10 mill increase on a 250 mill hull.
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shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.04.14 09:24:00 -
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-Hemmo read about the zydrine bubble some time ago -Hemmo felt genius and thought he should copy the exact same thing 3 weeks later and create a morphite bubble -Hemmo failed at giving convincingly reasons why morphite should become that rare
...what happened in this Thread |

slickboy Danny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 10:08:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:-Hemmo read about the zydrine bubble some time ago -Hemmo felt genius and thought he should copy the exact same thing 3 weeks later and create a morphite bubble -Hemmo failed at giving convincingly reasons why morphite should become that rare
...what happened in this Thread
Derp |

slickboy Danny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 10:27:00 -
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morphite passed ze 18k now. what was that about a zydrine bubble? I say we pass the 20 with ease this weekend, then drop back down due to firesale panic (which I am very thankful for) and then the only way is Up! what a beautiful day... |

LoBlo Fet
Blackstar Inc.
8
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Posted - 2012.04.14 12:55:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:T1 refine loot table nerf
Meta zero refines don't produce morphite |

Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
320
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Posted - 2012.04.14 16:58:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:-Hemmo read about the zydrine bubble some time ago -Hemmo felt genius and thought he should copy the exact same thing 3 weeks later and create a morphite bubble -Hemmo failed at giving convincingly reasons why morphite should become that rare
...what happened in this Thread
tbh in rl i am a genius, skipped 4 classed, got 2 degrees allready & only 1 yr to go before im master in business mangament, economics and marketing. I un fortualy belong to the top 1% of ppl that is simply smarter.. not that it is something that i wish to other ppl, its more a pain than a gain.
anyhow, ppl were allready buying up so lets call it a strategic move to prevent hugh stocks to be hamstered. therefor i love all the ppl that scream that it isnt going up more while ppl at sametime saying it is. this prevents ppl from taking the risk or gample. result is lesser hamsered & sooner i can sell my stuff when prices are more stable by supply & demand.
next lesson isnt free CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
171
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Posted - 2012.04.14 17:17:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:-Hemmo read about the zydrine bubble some time ago -Hemmo felt genius and thought he should copy the exact same thing 3 weeks later and create a morphite bubble -Hemmo failed at giving convincingly reasons why morphite should become that rare
...what happened in this Thread tbh in rl i am a genius, skipped 4 classed, got 2 degrees allready & only 1 yr to go before im master in business mangament, economics and marketing. I un fortualy belong to the top 1% of ppl that is simply smarter.. not that it is something that i wish to other ppl, its more a pain than a gain. anyhow, ppl were allready buying up so lets call it a strategic move to prevent hugh stocks to be hamstered. therefor i love all the ppl that scream that it isnt going up more while ppl at sametime saying it is. this prevents ppl from taking the risk or gamble. result is lesser hamstered & sooner i can sell my stuff when prices are more stable by supply & demand. next lesson isnt free
for a supposed genius you type like a three year old with downs.
ps, shoulda crunched the numbers on the actual value of three degrees. |

Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
320
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Posted - 2012.04.14 17:30:00 -
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well not everyone it native english speaking. only fools think that in a internetz spazeship game. imaging ccp only assuming everyone speaks icelandic...than we would all be speaking some strange viking langish or even better... not playing eve at all
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |

J'J'J'Jita
Ch'Ch'Ch'Chia Corp
3
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Posted - 2012.04.14 17:45:00 -
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Darius III wrote: Back when Morphite was only mined-before drone drops were ever in the game-T2 production levels were much lower than they are now. T2 production has increased several fold and drone drops make up 80% or more of the current supply. Of all the mineral price spikes-only Morphite will go up and stay up in value IMO. There may be some spikes and dips, but in the long run, Morphite could easily go to, and stay at 20K ISK/PU and up. I think that when current supplies run out, and speculators have sold their hordes, you will see baseline prices that go up week after week to 20K+ and may even see spikes of up to 50K and more.
If a CSM member says 20k is the new minimum and that number relies on constant, uninterrupted mining in _nullsec_ (haha?)... yeah I'd say 20k will be a minimum value. 25-30 seems more likely. |

Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.04.15 01:12:00 -
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Darius III wrote:VaMei wrote:Mr Blue wrote:I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0) In order to mine Merc, you need to fit Deep Core or Modulated Deep Core miners, nerfing your yield for any other ore. Any mining character that's trained Deep Core Mining can choose to fit the modules, but at recent prices no one's gonna consider Merc if there's ABC to be found. Once prices do balance out and Merc is profitable over ABC, you need miners that are skilled to do it, and have access to the lowest True Sec areas of space to even find it. Not only that-but only a Skiff mines Mercoxit effectively-getting a 300% bonus to Mercoxit crystals at level V. I have seen maybe 1 or 2 skiffs in the last few years living in 0.0 Back when Morphite was only mined-before drone drops were ever in the game-T2 production levels were much lower than they are now. T2 production has increased several fold and drone drops make up 80% or more of the current supply. Of all the mineral price spikes-only Morphite will go up and stay up in value IMO. There may be some spikes and dips, but in the long run, Morphite could easily go to, and stay at 20K ISK/PU and up. I think that when current supplies run out, and speculators have sold their hordes, you will see baseline prices that go up week after week to 20K+ and may even see spikes of up to 50K and more. Production will not be able to meet demand even if all the Mercoxit in the game is mined every day I think. With vastly increased demand since 2006 and almost all commonly utilized supplies (drone drops) soon to be removed from game, I think that Mercoxit will be by far, the most valuable ore to mine, but we will see. D3
Blah blah blah, I don't know a damn thing about mining, but I like seeing myself post because I have convinced enough morons to vote me into CSM and that icon looks cool... << shoves CSM flight of stairs for being an idiot >>
Bottom line, getting into a skiff is not that hard if you can already use an exhumer, what like 4 days to fit T2 Mercoxit Crystal and Deep Core mIning, 70 mil to buy and fit one. None of this is a bottleneck. Had you actually had a clue, you'd be giving credit to CCP for increasing the Mercoxit available in the XL grav site from 15K to 45K, this is where all the morphite will come from. So the real bottleneck will be Alliances (eh hem get a real one) and getting thier sov acts together getting systems upgraded to get access to the grav sties. Alliances will have to stop treating miners like the red headed step children.
Merc will definitely go above 25K per unit and stay there for sometime, if you're not a moron, you're going to be looking at the industry levels on the CCP maps to track how long price support will stay in the 25-30K range, I would speculate you'll see that range for 6-9 months because (a) people getting back to mining; (b) a lot of sov changed hands and much needs to be upgraded by the new owner alliances; (c) alliances need to change their attitudes about indutrial corps being in their space. Basically you have an alliance problem not a mining problem.
Best Regards, Java...
Because mining is what the cool kids do... |

pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
316
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:21:00 -
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Javajunky wrote:So the real bottleneck will be Alliances (eh hem get a real one) and getting thier sov acts together getting systems upgraded to get access to the grav sties. Alliances will have to stop treating miners like the red headed step children.
I hear sigma is already racing against theta to see who can run the most mining ops
a sad day |

OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
154
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:27:00 -
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Javajunky wrote:Goontears, goonbiatching, and goonwhinery
I wasn't paying attention, did Mittens get booted from CSM? Is that why Goons get diarrhea every time Darius III posts? Still, goon tears is best tears.
PS Three degrees is really cool especially when you brag about it on the interwebs. I for one am very impressed.
::totallyserious.jpg:: |

Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
47
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:02:00 -
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lol at the person who just tried to panic crash the morphite market and got all their cheap morphite bought up. NOM NOM.
Thank you
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
173
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:17:00 -
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OllieNorth wrote:Javajunky wrote:Goontears, goonbiatching, and goonwhinery I wasn't paying attention, did Mittens get booted from CSM? Is that why Goons get diarrhea every time Darius III posts? Still, goon tears is best tears. PS Three degrees is really cool especially when you brag about it on the interwebs. I for one am very impressed. ::totallyserious.jpg::
ETNY are actually our resident miners. If one of them is crapping on Darius III in this thread, it's because Darius III is talking about his ass, and the ETNY guy knows better.
(ps, ETNY is former Mercenary Coalition, so they're not exactly goons to begin with ) |

Derp Durrr
Syrma Technology
0
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:34:00 -
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Herman Klaus wrote:lol at the person who just tried to panic crash the morphite market and got all their cheap morphite bought up. NOM NOM. Thank you 
This!
Badman Troll / Julian Koll, thanks for the quick iskies! not sure if it was your desired outcome, but I definately benefited from it... let me know when you're planning to do this again and I'll be there for ya! |

Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:27:00 -
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OK some interesting stats gleened from John Turbefield ( @CCP_Diagoras ) Tweets
( 28/29 feb 2012 ): "Least mined groups in terms of m3 yesterday: Mercoxit (15.3m)"
This is about 800k volume for Morph per day
More recently he states that ~40million [ units of Morphite ] was 'refined' in March ( I am guessing that this includes reprocessed (aka alloys) This is about 1.3 Mill a day.
This suggests that of total quantities 40% odd comes from Drones and 60% from mining.
Interestingly only 4k Skiffs were made in 2011 compared to 68k Hulks....
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Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:30:00 -
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Just got a Tweet back on this:
2h XXXXXXXXXXXXXXGÇÅ@Driftspite @CCP_Diagoras So does this figure of ~40m Morphite refined include 'reprocessed' Quantities ( Opulent Compound )? John TurbefieldGÇÅ@CCP_Diagoras
@Driftspite @CCP_Diagoras iirc yes, the numbers were from *all* refines.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
276
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Posted - 2012.04.19 14:14:00 -
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there's a really good reason morphite will return to junk status, but only 0.0 residents with experience with a particular aspect of 0.0 that's mostly unused right now could spot
i'll give you a hint: it's forced bottlenecking |

Gingerlord
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:34:00 -
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If 0.0 are able to control the morphite then why not just let the price skyrocket? |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
277
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:40:00 -
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just organizing a tech cartel is hard enough a morphite one would be impossible |

Ivan The Brute
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:53:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:just organizing a tech cartel is hard enough a morphite one would be impossible
no need for a cartel, with morphite availability limited to null the price will have to go up one way or another. considering how much of it came from drones, it's gonna be a bloodbath few months from now to get your hands on a decent stash. true, morphite will never hit the current 165-175k reach of technetium, but a fair 20-30k seems very likely. and I'll be waiting for that day to come...
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Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
47
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:54:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:just organizing a tech cartel is hard enough a morphite one would be impossible
Nothing is impossible. What's to stop the Power Bloc's rolling over any smaller alliance that try to upgrade their systems to get a worthwhile amount of Merc to mine? |

Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:00:00 -
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Looking at the supply side Mercoxit is found in the sites:
Small 0; Medium 10,000; Large 10000; X Large 15000; Giant 15000;
I am also not getting the concept that Mecroxit is the ugly child of mining. Industry post appear to suggest that clearing our other ores is the pain.
To increase Morphite prouction significantly miners would also have to clear out all the other roids.... |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
280
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:04:00 -
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Driftfire wrote:Looking at the supply side Mercoxit is found in the sites:
Small 0; Medium 10,000; Large 10000; X Large 15000; Giant 15000;
I am also not getting the concept that Mecroxit is the ugly child of mining. Industry post appear to suggest that clearing our other ores is the pain.
To increase Morphite prouction significantly miners would also have to clear out all the other roids.... dingdingdingdingding
morphite will be dramatically oversupplied because you must mine it out of those large sites to cycle them (and the standard way to deal with mining anoms is keep cycling the large), and this is how largescale mining is "done" in 0.0 (and will be much more common with the current prices, so much so i have to put together a system to manage these and avoid fights over people cherrypicking them at downtime)
this supply of morphite will exceed demand, and result in prices being pushed back down, but since you must mine that morphite to cycle the anom for new good roids, you have to mine it even if you don't want it |

Ivan The Brute
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:06:00 -
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Driftfire wrote:Looking at the supply side Mercoxit is found in the sites:
Small 0; Medium 10,000; Large 10000; X Large 15000; Giant 15000;
I am also not getting the concept that Mecroxit is the ugly child of mining. Industry post appear to suggest that clearing our other ores is the pain.
To increase Morphite prouction significantly miners would also have to clear out all the other roids....
I believe this is from before the drone nerf, where mining veldspar was close to more profitable than morphite. "ABC's FTW, mercoxit meh..." times will change from here, where mercoxit once more shall reign the mineral charts.
---- EDIT ----
Also, I believe in the next changes the ammount of mercoxit from the x-large site will tripple to 45k, is that correct? |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
280
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:10:00 -
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Herman Klaus wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:just organizing a tech cartel is hard enough a morphite one would be impossible Nothing is impossible. What's to stop the Power Bloc's rolling over any smaller alliance that try to upgrade their systems to get a worthwhile amount of Merc to mine? merc spawns in belts |

Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
47
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:44:00 -
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Desperate attempts to scare people into selling and push prices down. Miss the boat did you? |

Revan Rotineque
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:29:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Driftfire wrote:Looking at the supply side Mercoxit is found in the sites:
Small 0; Medium 10,000; Large 10000; X Large 15000; Giant 15000;
I am also not getting the concept that Mecroxit is the ugly child of mining. Industry post appear to suggest that clearing our other ores is the pain.
To increase Morphite prouction significantly miners would also have to clear out all the other roids.... dingdingdingdingding morphite will be dramatically oversupplied because you must mine it out of those large sites to cycle them (and the standard way to deal with mining anoms is keep cycling the large), and this is how largescale mining is "done" in 0.0 (and will be much more common with the current prices, so much so i have to put together a system to manage these and avoid fights over people cherrypicking them at downtime) this supply of morphite will exceed demand, and result in prices being pushed back down, but since you must mine that morphite to cycle the anom for new good roids, you have to mine it even if you don't want it
Yeah lol
Cos we all know Goons are well known miners right? Somebody want to see the market crash? ;) |

Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:37:00 -
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Driftfire wrote:Looking at the supply side Mercoxit is found in the sites:
Small 0; Medium 10,000; Large 10000; X Large 15000; Giant 15000;
I am also not getting the concept that Mecroxit is the ugly child of mining. Industry post appear to suggest that clearing our other ores is the pain.
To increase Morphite prouction significantly miners would also have to clear out all the other roids....
As the only person here that actually is a professional miner let me help you out...
X Large 45000;
This change went into effect with Crucible. I've got miners all over the place chasing abc's but I seem to be the only one who's grabbing mercoxit and that works. It's actually funny to watch people run around chasing bistot rocks when crok is worth more at the moment, but most miners just go with kjnow to be generally accurate and last not what's best at the moment...
For traders...
Stock Markets with Skiffs, they will sell to bring down the price of merc after the spike. For builders, if you're not filling up your copy slots with ark, bistot, crok, and merc bpo's, you're getting a little late to the game. Don't forget how long it takes for those BPO's to copy << cough cough>> market opportunity bottleneck << cough cough >>...
Java...
Because mining is what the cool kids do... |

Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:42:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Driftfire wrote:Looking at the supply side Mercoxit is found in the sites:
Small 0; Medium 10,000; Large 10000; X Large 15000; Giant 15000;
I am also not getting the concept that Mecroxit is the ugly child of mining. Industry post appear to suggest that clearing our other ores is the pain.
To increase Morphite prouction significantly miners would also have to clear out all the other roids.... dingdingdingdingding morphite will be dramatically oversupplied because you must mine it out of those large sites to cycle them (and the standard way to deal with mining anoms is keep cycling the large), and this is how largescale mining is "done" in 0.0 (and will be much more common with the current prices, so much so i have to put together a system to manage these and avoid fights over people cherrypicking them at downtime) this supply of morphite will exceed demand, and result in prices being pushed back down, but since you must mine that morphite to cycle the anom for new good roids, you have to mine it even if you don't want it
Your arguement hinges on your assumption that Morcoxit is worthless: "morphite will be dramatically oversupplied because you must mine it out of those large sites to cycle them " - I guess it is the same way gold is.
And your extended arguement for it to crash is because it will have a 60% supply shortfall ( amount of morph from drones ) which makes no sense... |
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