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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.15 22:20:00 -
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One thing odd I've noticed
Many types of salvage parts are needed to make rigs in seemingly similar amounts. Why is it that some items (Alloyed trit bars) are worth a metric shitton whereas others (burned logic circuts) are worth so little?
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Chomin H'ak
The Trivenerate
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Posted - 2008.09.15 22:25:00 -
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Being that the economy is player-driven, it is as simple as supply vs. demand. |
Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.09.15 22:26:00 -
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supply and demand, my friend.
look at which drops the most
look at which is used in the most popular rigs
and then BOOM you have your answer
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.16 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 16/09/2008 00:44:13
I checked a reference thread
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Energy Grid rigs:
Requirements in parts:
Burned Logic Circuit
Tangled Power Conduit
Tripped Power Circuit
Melted Capacitor Console
Fried Interface Cicruit
Role: Improvements to Capacitor, Powergrid.
Drawback: NONE
Melted cap consoles and tangled power conduits are used in the same types of rigs but tangled power conduits are nigh worthless whereas melted cap consoles are worth a metric shitton.
Is it just that some energy rigs are considered shite and only use those, whereas other ones are considered wtfawesome and use the valuable ones?
Either way, most rigs are at least pretty decent, so why don't people buy a crapton of these nigh worthless parts and make some rigs out of them? Even if they're not that popular they should be popular enough to make huge profit margins.
In my personal salvage experience, the cheap ones don't drop in any more frequency than the expensive ones.
Is it just that some are needed in such tiny quantities that the tiny demand drives down prices?
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.09.16 01:38:00 -
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Supply and Demand.
Some drop a lot more than others, some are needed a lot more than others.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.16 01:49:00 -
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Sigh.
I know about basic economics. Giving "Supply and demand" as an answer to my question is like responding "You do math" to someone asking how to find the square root of 100.
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Kvander Godalming
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Posted - 2008.09.16 02:02:00 -
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Quote:
Either way, most rigs are at least pretty decent, so why don't people buy a crapton of these nigh worthless parts and make some rigs out of them? Even if they're not that popular they should be popular enough to make huge profit margins.
Because even crappy rigs generally require at least one semi-decent part.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.16 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Sigh.
I know about basic economics. Giving "Supply and demand" as an answer to my question is like responding "You do math" to someone asking how to find the square root of 100.
Seriously, I'm not sure why you expect a different answer (certainly your analogy to the square root of 100 doesn't help). It's supply and demand. The expensive salvage is much less frequent and used in useful, high value riggings. Do the math.
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Kvander Godalming
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Posted - 2008.09.16 02:32:00 -
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It really is that simple.
Alloyed trit bars and burned logic circuits are probably roughly equally in demand (or at least are several orders of magnitude more in demand than, say, crap like nanite compounds). Trit bars make awesome cargo rigs, BLCs make awesome cap rigs, for instance. But alloyed trit bars drop only from Angels and drones. Almost everything drops BLCs.
Hence, BLCs cost less. ATBs cost more.
And nanite compounds are crap cause they drop like rain and no one uses em for anything.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.09.16 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Sigh.
QFT Originally by: Kahega Amielden
I know about basic economics.
Apparently not. Let's go over some basics: 1 - 2+2=4. 2 - Research your product. 3 - You suck.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.09.16 04:11:00 -
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Because salvaged is only dropped in specific amounts by specific factions.
This crunch on supply despite a steady constant demand causes prices to inflate upwards. And not surprisingly drive the price down of lesser demanded items as supply increases (your conduits for instance)
Whats funny is that very few people pay attention to the salvage that is dropped in metric tons yet is used in a vast majority of items. Charred micro circuits for instance, are used in hang lemme looks... lets see 14 out of the 20 rigs I build and produce on a weekly basis. Yet the price is cheap.
But when you look at the price fluctuations, they can be astronomical. As low as 100 per unit upwards to 300 per unit at times. All within the span of 3 months.
With a given region moving close to a million units in a week, there is a small mint to be made there for the average trader if he/she played his cards right. |
Salvo Brunel
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Posted - 2008.09.16 08:48:00 -
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Assume you need equal amounts of x and y to make something. Next assume that the supply of x is slightly less than that of y.
Now you have a situation where producers have enough y and are struggling to get enough x. No-one gives a shit about y, but the valuable rigs don't get made if people can't get x. Do you think that producers might now be willing to pay large amounts for x?
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Aluka 7th
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.16 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Aluka 7th on 16/09/2008 11:33:30
I tried to explain that in my tread.
But roughly this is the reason:
Salvage materials are divided in basic two sub groups: Circuits & Non-circuits.
Circuits drop all over eve. Non-circuits are race/faction specific.
Wrecks drop rate depends if it's from a mission (50%) or asteroid belt (75%) - asteroid belt NPC pirate ships have a better drop rate.
Usuall drop per ships size is:
frigates - 1 non-circuit, 2 circuits
cruisers - 1 non-circuit, 4 circuits
battlecruisers - 1 to 2 non-circuit, 6 circuits
battleship - 1 to 3 non-circuit 8+ circuits
Therefore in empire there will always be scarce of Non-circuits.
Reason is that most of salvage in empire comes from mission (50% salvage drop rate) and people in high-sec empire regions do missions up to lvl 3 so biggest wreck is from Battlecruiser. If you check usage of non-circuit materials per rig you will notice that for just ONE rig mission runners have to salvage sometimes over 100 ship wrecks which with average 50% salvage find in mission translates to 200+ NPCs poped - for one rig.
So no wonder its hard to find non-circuit salvage mat.
Two specif rigs are problem:
FIC (Fried circ) - 44 of 78 rigs require FICs (Fried).
Those rigs are 40-45% made of FICs. Its required the most of all three components. Go figure why you have hard time with that circuit
Alloyed bars - two reasons, Cargohold Optimization rig and rigs for nano fited ships. Basically this rigs are best rigs for most used ships/setups in EVE so only non-circuit material in them (Alloyed Trit. Bar) got so expensive.
P.S. Most of used info is from Salvaging Guide written by Voidvim
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Dranakolys
Gallente
Theurgy
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Posted - 2008.09.17 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Dranakolys on 17/09/2008 11:15:34
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Sigh.
I know about basic economics. Giving "Supply and demand" as an answer to my question is like responding "You do math" to someone asking how to find the square root of 100.
lol
Apparently you don't know basic economics. You might know the phrase "supply and demand" but clearly you do not understand it.
If you haven't figured it out yet, the supply of various salvage components are neither the same nor constant. The demand for different rigs aren't the same either.
That's about as much hand-holding in the special class I can stand to give.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.09.19 04:32:00 -
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Edited by: Shadarle on 19/09/2008 04:32:16
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Sigh.
I know about basic economics. Giving "Supply and demand" as an answer to my question is like responding "You do math" to someone asking how to find the square root of 100.
I'm not dum! I no how two spel!
All evidence to the contrary.
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