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Joker Deville
T e r c i o s
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Posted - 2008.09.16 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Joker Deville on 16/09/2008 20:45:53 Gtc's have gone up by 25% in the last month from 400mill for a 60 day gtc, which was already overpriced, to 500mill.
In part, is sellers themselves creating fake buy orders for hilarious prices just to raise the bar, and because players NEED gtc's nomatter what and with 70%+ of them having no idea about economy's theory of supply/demand, sellers are getting away with it.
I'm aware that CCP makes money from this high prices, but this has now become ridiculous, gtc's have become eve's oil.
It is time CCP puts regulation concerning the pricing of GTC's or bring back 30day / 90day gtc's.
Regulations concerning pricing of gtc's should become ccp's and the council's main concern, simply put: who cares if the game is bugged if 50%+ of the player base stops playing because they cant afford it.
As many others, I will slowly start seeing myself playing JUST to pay for gtc's and not to actually to enjoy the game, and with 4 accounts this is turning more into a job than a hobby.
I encourage everyone to give out seriously thought ideas and support this, if prices do not go back to what they were i will most probably cancel my subscriptions, like many, until CCP does something about this or pricing go back to reasonable levels.
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Joker Deville
T e r c i o s
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Posted - 2008.09.16 20:45:00 -
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supporting my topic
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Lia Gaeren
Caldari Pole Dancing Vixens
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Posted - 2008.09.16 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Lia Gaeren on 16/09/2008 20:49:15
Originally by: Joker Deville I'm aware that CCP makes money from this high prices...
How, exactly, do they make money? The GTC is a fixed price to whoever you're buying it from, regardless of whether they sell it on to you for 10 isk or 10 billion isk.
edit - I learned how to spell and do grammar a bit better.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.09.16 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 16/09/2008 20:49:49 I agree that they should bring back the 30 and 90 day GTC's.
But I can't support fixed prices.
It's all supply and demand. The supply has simply gone down, thus price increase. Can't blame that nor fix it.
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Joker Deville
T e r c i o s
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Posted - 2008.09.16 20:55:00 -
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Vista,
Im not in any way supporting fix pricing, but CCP should realize it is time that they step in and set a limit, much as governements intervene with certain commodities to make sure buyers dont overprice it.
I think we can all agree that if buyers got together, the prices of gtc's could easily be 600mill+, and although most would say that wouldnt happen, that is what they said about oil pricing at the pump. Nomatter how high the prices are, theres always ******s willing to buy it because they just dont know any better.
And if CCP doesn't intervene and put a stop to this insane inflation, those kind of prices will soon be a reality, and anyone may quote me saying it once it does.
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Moostang
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.16 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Joker Deville I'm aware that CCP makes money from this high prices, but this has now become ridiculous, gtc's have become eve's oil.
Wont they make less from high prices. People buy gtc's with in game isk so they can afford to have their account or in most cases, multiple accounts. 3-5 accounts cost 45 to 75 us dollars per month!! Now in my case, I used to buy 90 day gtc's for around 300m and could keep 5+ accounts running every month. Now I have had to cut down to 3 accounts because 75 a month is rediculous and not worth it and I refuse to pay more than 350m isk for a 60 day when I used to get 90 days for less.
So in reality, they are losing accounts because people cant afford or refuse to pay so much with rl or ingame money. CCP can either control ingame prices for gtc's and make them resonable or bring back 90 day gtc's, or lastly, continue to lose accounts.
Moostang Darkstar 1 Goonswarm
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Zloj MaNGooST
Solar Dragons Academy SOLAR WING
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Posted - 2008.09.16 21:07:00 -
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imo, some regulation should be done. dunno about max. price, but 30 and 90 day gts could fix problem back =) made in trollhettan by trolls |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.09.16 22:50:00 -
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Price limits are a sign of economics gone slightly mad, and I can show with only minimal difficulty that they're a foolish idea that hurt those that they're supposed to help in virtually all cases.
Also, the whole point of the law of supply and demand is that you don't have to know bugger all about how it works for it to work. People produce more of something when it's more valuable, and consume more of it when it's less valuable. If GTCs are getting too expensive for you, buy fewer of them - set long skills on 2-3 of your accounts, and let them lie fallow for a month. Or let them lapse entirely, or even sell one of the charactyers to finance the other three. But don't tell people willing to pay for a GTC that they're not allowed to because there's a CCP-imposed shortage. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Matrixcvd
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.16 23:55:00 -
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this is a joke right? you can't begin to tell me that its ethical to price fix something that is a commidity just because you chose to use it as your only means of paying for your game time? that is just a giant comedy. its the only autherized RMT, if you can't afford imaginary dollars to pay for real objects get a new hobby
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FunzzeR
Statistical Arbitrage
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Posted - 2008.09.17 00:13:00 -
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I might be able to agree with the notion of bringing back 30 and 90 gtc.
However placing a price ceiling on the prices is a terrible idea. As artificial restrictions would mess up the supply of gtc, and if I apply RL economic concepts, there would likely be a shortage of GTC available to meet demand, ceteris paribus.
Secondly, such restrictions would go against the free market/no regulated environment that make EVE interesting in the first place.
On a side note the fact that demand is relatively unchanged in the face of rising prices suggests to me that the demand for gtc is relatively inelastic.
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Silvana Kor'ah
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Posted - 2008.09.17 00:57:00 -
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Completely nonsense. Sorry pal, but how can you say 500m is overpriced? I sped 35 $ for it, spend it on a single Navy Raven and loose it the next day. And how fast do 0.0 players earn that 500m? A 3 days work? If you ask me, 500m is still underpriced, not overpriced. You see, it's all relative
Therefore NO to fixed prices, things are just fine as they are. 30 and 90 days GTC would be fine, but that's a decicion of CCP only
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.09.17 01:53:00 -
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Fixed prices? You joking, right? What is this communism? I agree on 30 Day and 90 Day, I wish they were back.
Oh, and I do buy GTC to support my EVE habit, and I do pay the ridiculous prices.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.09.17 03:48:00 -
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It's a good thing I'm all nuclear then, don't care for the GTC/oil 'issue' at all, it's not even remotely important since none of our members are paupers.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.17 04:35:00 -
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leave it alone.
introduce 30day/90day, increase anti isk seller activity all ok in my book, but setting a fixed price is stupid and should never be done. --
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.09.17 08:38:00 -
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Mabe you never noticed but the prices went up with 33% for a 60 day GTC. No wonder people want more isk.. there is nothing fake about buying or selling GTC. If youd ont want to pay for the GTC then buy your own game time.
Your playing for ingame isk and are still complaining..
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MS Stanis
Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.17 16:10:00 -
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This is my 4th mmorpg and it its the first time I have ever seen it possible, to pay for an mmorpg with game money.
If you cant pay for the game with rl money dont play mmorpg and tbh this issue shouldnt even be consuming neither CSM or CCP's time.
You should be playing guildwars.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2008.09.17 16:55:00 -
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Bring back 30 and 90 day and the problem would fix itself.
The problem is the per month cost in real money went up on the GTC, so, guess what? People are going to ask the same amount (or more) of isk that they always did per unit of real life money. Meaning, the cost going "up" in isk is largely an illusion. Paying for the game with GTC is now the most expensive way to play (per month) in many countries, including the US. If you play with GTC your going to pay for it, either in RL money or in isk. Period. CCP obviously wanted it this way.
IMHO, CCP should not have gone with this move at all. But, they have never once in over five and a half years listened to me, so I doubt they are going to start now.
Bottom line: We (the community) are going to loose accounts over this; there is no question. And, CCP doesn't care or they wouldn't have done it. So, if they don't care if they loose accounts over this why would they care enough to fix prices to protect YOUR isk? My point? That this thread has no point. Bring it up with the CSM if you want to, but its a waste of time. CCP isn't going to do anything about it. *
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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.09.17 18:30:00 -
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CCP ALREADY SPOKE. THEY SAID THAT EVE WAS WORTH IT.
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2008.09.18 02:36:00 -
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Where to start.
CCP makes the same amount regardless of how much isk you pay for a GTC. The price in real currency is set by them.
I'm not sure that bringing back the other denominations would help anything. At the end of the day, it all comes down to how cheap does isk need to be in real currency before people are willing to buy it.
I doubt very seriously that anything like 50% of the player base is paying for their play time with isk. Have you seen that statistic somewhere?
If it's starting to feel more like a job than a hobby, maybe you don't need 4 accounts?
I don't want to sound like a cheerleader here, but I think it's really cool that CCP allows time rich, cash poor players to pay for their play time with isk, and time poor, cash rich players to pay for isk with money in a way that doesn't break the EULA. If they tried to "fix" prices, what you'd find is that demand would go down, and you'd have trouble finding someone to sell you a GTC for isk at all. The communists tried the price fixing thing. It didn't work out so well. Lead to empty stores and long lines to buy toilet paper.
There is a price at which those who sell GTCs will run into resistance, and find no buyers. The market will determine that price. Not much CCP can do about it, other than make isk more scarce, which would have serious in-game side effects.
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eliminator2
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:21:00 -
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its ok with whats happening in real life eve might soon shutdown i mean ammerca's major bank has gone bust all airports are going bust all prices are still increasing less and less jobs are happening so sooner or later the whole world will be affect buy this wich it will happen soon and then EVE among other things will shutdown because no money so enjoy eve before there is no eve :D
but yea it needs to be sorrted eve have made the worst decision ever on this
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.18 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Draygo Korvan leave it alone.
introduce 30day/90day, increase anti isk seller activity all ok in my book, but setting a fixed price is stupid and should never be done.
Exactly this.
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Zylawy
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Posted - 2008.09.18 21:34:00 -
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I just checked. 60 day GTC are at 650 million ATM.
Although this is expensive, I think what the post was about is that it cost more to buy a 60 day GTC then it does to pay monthly. (since I last checked)
but I dont think CCP should make someone only get 400 million for a 60 GTC, its supply and damand.
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Alvar Kesh
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:37:00 -
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Tmarte
Caldari Explora Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tmarte on 30/09/2008 16:16:12
Originally by: Joker Deville Vista,
Im not in any way supporting fix pricing, but CCP should realize it is time that they step in and set a limit, much as governements intervene with certain commodities to make sure buyers dont overprice it.
Isn't setting a ceiling to the price of a GTC an indirect way of fixing it's price? |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tmarte Isn't setting a ceiling to the price of a GTC an indirect way of fixing it's price?
It's a fairly direct way, actually. It's not like these people are asking it to be capped at 10 billion, after all. |
Uzume Ame
Gallente Dark Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:40:00 -
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Won't happen and shoult not happend, also comparing GTC to other necessary good is not even wrong. Governments "rarelly" fix prices for luxury goods. |
Sir SmellyFart
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:19:00 -
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The problem here is that GTC cards now cost more per month in real cash than when the 90 day cards were around. So yes, CCP is making more money if the playerbase would be stable or larger than b4 the 90 day cards got removed.
So yes, they can take action to bring down the price of GTC's, it would mean lowering prices on them. :)
I for one am all for that as I still think we got screwed over with the 60 day cards.
Setting fixed prices for GTC cards in isk is a bad idea though :)
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Uzume Ame
Gallente Dark Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sir SmellyFart The problem here is that GTC cards now cost more per month in real cash than when the 90 day cards were around. So yes, CCP is making more money if the playerbase would be stable or larger than b4 the 90 day cards got removed.
Working as intended, I agree with adding 30 & 90 days GTC again but they won't reduce they prices, so these would be added with new prices proportional to current 60 days GTC. If anyone thinks they would change this he's a fool and should learn a bit of economics too. Teh failure of a signature. |
Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.09.30 19:01:00 -
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No. Bad idea.
Yes the GTCs are ridiculously priced... all you have to do is not buy them. Eventually those who want to get isk for gtc... will lower prices.
If people are still willing to buy at such a ridiculous price... then why would these gtc traders lower prices?
The claim that people are faking sales... is absurd. ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?" |
DEATHsyphon
Gallente IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.09.30 21:40:00 -
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Meh, Put up WTB orders and spam it in the "other" channel in the trade tab if your buying a couple at a time you can still get them for 350-400Mill -------------------- I'm not not going to pod you! |
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iudex
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.10.01 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Joker Deville Regulations concerning pricing of gtc's should become ccp's and the council's main concern, simply put: who cares if the game is bugged if 50%+ of the player base stops playing because they cant afford it.
I've heard this and similar statements quite a lot last weeks, but it is not true. CCP won't lose accounts if the GTC prices go up. People don't understand that, they cancel their account because of a high GTC price and think there is one subscribed account less because of this, but that's not the case, the GTC which they would have bought is bought by someone else. Only the GTC generates money for CCP, and the number of GTCs don't become less if you don't get one.
The GTC market is currently a "Seller's Market", every GTC that is offered will quickly find a buyer. There are more buyers than sellers, not every buyer will get a GTC, so some will offer to pay more (in order to get the GTC instead of another buyer), that's why the price is rising. If CCP would put up a fixed price, this wouldn't help you, there would still be more buyers than sellers and some buyer would still get no GTC (probably the sales would be done to people the sellers know as favour, or people would offer additional isk (inofficially) to get one of the few rare GTC, this would create lot's of mess, no benefits).
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Jin Labarre
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Posted - 2008.10.01 23:37:00 -
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It is a nice option to buy game time codes with ingame currency. It is not a guaranteed right to to get them cheap.
If you want cheaper GTCs on the market, you have to buy GTCs and sell them cheap. But why would you do that? You wouldn't. And if: Let me know. So why would anyone else? People demand the price that is paid. Part of any capitalism.
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Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.02 04:51:00 -
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To put it in an example
There are 100 gtc's on the market and 120 buyers.
If the GTC's fixed price is 450m, sellers seeing the demand will smartly post trading threads asking for more.
How do you think they will get more isk for their gtc, getting around the GTC maximum? Well thats easy, they have you transfer the difference to them in game before they give you the trade offer through the secure system.
Problem with this? Well this opens quite a few holes for scammers to scam gtc sales, something the secure system was created to prevent. A GTC cap is stupid for obvious reasons. --
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Lord Vyper
Caldari Beyond Evil and Good
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Posted - 2008.10.02 08:55:00 -
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Get a Job IRL? This is the typical solution for most adults. u can earn the measily 15$ with 1 or 2 hours of Labor in real life with any basic paying job. This is not something CCP should be wasting their time focused on.
CCP doesn't make any money from you spending isk in game to buy the card. They sell the cards at a fixed price. Its just an option out there for people making huge amounts of isk per day that can easily support this transaction. If your not up to par with what you make in game. Real Life money god forbid can solve this rather easily.
CCP is trying to get the game to the point where its 90% player controlled economy if they intervene with this, it's going against their end ideas of being hands off. The market price will go back down if the majority consider the price above its true value. Economics class would explain this better than I.
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Duck Andcover
Evil ALT Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.02 22:45:00 -
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Bringing back 30 / 90 day cards, fine, but absolutely NO to CCP regulation of the ingame 'value' of GTCs. |
Damien Cerverus
Dawn of a new Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.03 11:55:00 -
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supply has gone down... demand has remained the same
the price went up.. i wonder why?
prolly because it costs 33% more for 33% less game time on GTC's. imo the whole system is defunct and will collapse, and CCP will see their mistake then
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.03 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Cerverus supply has gone down... demand has remained the same
the price went up.. i wonder why?
prolly because it costs 33% more for 33% less game time on GTC's. imo the whole system is defunct and will collapse, and CCP will see their mistake then
Yes, because there will never in the future be time-rich, cash-poor students looking to play their favourite game for free ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Evil Bastards
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Posted - 2008.10.03 15:42:00 -
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*sigh*
Thumbs down.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.04 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Joker Deville Gtc's have gone up by 25% in the last month from 400mill for a 60 day gtc, which was already overpriced, to 500mill.
Who says it's overpriced ? WHAT CONSTITUTES "OVERPRICED" ? In 2 months, a decent inventor char can get close to 2 bil ISK, a half-decent manufacturer can get over 1 bil ISK, a 2 hours a workday and 10 hours per weekend L4 mission-runner can get over 3 bil ISK, or a Veldspar mining putting in the same amount of work can get over 1 bil ISK. I'd call that UNDERpriced.
Quote: As many others, I will slowly start seeing myself playing JUST to pay for gtc's and not to actually to enjoy the game, and with 4 accounts this is turning more into a job than a hobby.
Quit some accounts, or quit playing altogether. Or just get a job and pay cash. Problem solved.
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Alternate resist display || Mission reward revamp || better nanofix
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Garott
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Posted - 2008.10.04 14:16:00 -
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Clearly they aren't expensive enough if people are still paying the price for this outdated, bugged, and generally not very good game.
You have to remember that the price of GTCs is directly based on the willingness of the playerbase to convert dollars/euros/sheep into ISK. With the world economy slowing, people are less willing to waste money on such silly things.
Certainly CCP could help out the playerbase with prices by actually banning farmer accounts instead of leaving them active so they can track the ISK then remove it from idiot RMT'er accounts. That would result in less income for them though, so don't expect that. |
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.04 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Joker Deville In part, is sellers themselves creating fake buy orders for hilarious prices just to raise the bar, and because players NEED gtc's nomatter what and with 70%+ of them having no idea about economy's theory of supply/demand, sellers are getting away with it.
This isn't the first time I've seen this claim regarding fake orders and it isn't the first time I've seen no evidence presented to back it up. What exactly does a fake order look like?
Originally by: Joker Deville As many others, I will slowly start seeing myself playing JUST to pay for gtc's and not to actually to enjoy the game, and with 4 accounts this is turning more into a job than a hobby.
I doubt anyone is forcing you to run 4 accounts. Perhaps you should consider consolidating your "core" characters onto one or two accounts during this lean period you're facing.
Originally by: Jinx Barker What is this communism?
Exactly! Say "no" to the dirty pinko scum!
Seriously though, I'm not opposed to the return of 30 & 90 day cards (or some variation of these) but I'm more inclined to think this is just a case of supply and demand being felt more and more by the "whiny" element in the community.
I tend to feel a little smug about the whole thing now because the moment I heard about the changes I loaded my account up until next year while 90 day codes were still available and priced in the 300M to 350M range. In fact, when I got a little spare currency today, I turned that into a 60 day code and exchanged it for 485M within half an hour. |
FlameGlow
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.04 16:32:00 -
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GTC are worth exactly as much isk as ppl are willing to pay for them and cannot be "overpriced" |
Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.05 01:58:00 -
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Regulation simply demands more regulation which just gets you going in circles. It's a bad idea in a market.
When people stop buying GTC's then the price will drop again or when people start selling more GTC's the price will drop. If you have limited supply but increasing demand then of course the price will go up. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity." |
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