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Idara Caldari Failure Corp	Posted - 2008.09.17 16:26:00 - [31] Originally by: Skogen Gump Originally by: Faife any screenshots of it yet? There's one in the news post... Linkage At least the photographer realized that light is not the Erebus' friend... --- Failure Corp [FAILD] - Failing to fail first in EVE - Idara
Panzerkom Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.09.17 17:41:00 - [32] quite an audacious move ... and the g00ns already has a 50mil reward out for info on the pilot and location of the titan. i guess all i can say is -- good luck
Murk Loar Caldari Polytope	Posted - 2008.09.17 17:41:00 - [33] Probes out!! Lots of new faces out in BR today,turned into quite a busy little section of space...
Reptzo Channel 4 News Team	Posted - 2008.09.17 17:44:00 - [34] Originally by: Jade Constantine We'll use it, enjoy it, and doubtless lose it doing what we've done for the last five years in eve - having a damn good time and shooting tyrants in the face I aspire to be like this.
Buxaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.17 18:15:00 - [35] And here I was thinking that it was going to be a Ragnorak
Xavier Zedicus Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.17 22:13:00 - [36] Edited by: Xavier Zedicus on 17/09/2008 22:13:44 Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 17/09/2008 04:59:07 Logistics abilities aside, we all know that this thing is going to get infinipointed and toasted within weeks. I only hope that loldrama will result. Originally by: Locke DieDrake If star faction uses this to grief on faction warfare players, it'll be interesting to see the results. No DDD in Low Sec, so it's really just an oversized Dread with a jump bridge and corporate facilities. No real griefing potential tbh. JUST an over sized dread? Dont titans have like 8 high slots for capital guns! how NOT a griefing tool.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Firestar Drive Yards	Posted - 2008.09.17 22:19:00 - [37] Edited by: Ryoji Tanakama on 17/09/2008 22:19:43 Originally by: Xavier Zedicus JUST an over sized dread? Dont titans have like 8 high slots for capital guns! how NOT a griefing tool. Capital sized weapons wont scratch the t1 cruser noobswarm? hehehehe. Edit for pyramid quote.
Stoned Witch	Posted - 2008.09.17 22:32:00 - [38] Edited by: Stoned Witch on 17/09/2008 22:34:49 It'll sit in the shields of a deathstar POS and nothing short of an all-out dread slugfest will draw it more than 500 meters beyond that shield... and likely not even then. It'll wait until the shield goes into reinforced and then jump back to 0.0 without taking a scratch. You'll never see it at a station. You'll never see it at a gate. As a matter of fact, unless you're an 'ally' and know what POS skirt it's hiding behind you'll never see it, period. Or... you may be surprised as it pulls in a log-in stunt with 8x officer smartbombs. By the time it warps to your camp, tho, you'll have gotten bored and moved to another system. Bet every nuubship and frigate and ... well, everything, running around Black Rise these days is fitting a cyno gen and there are ten-man dread squads waiting, just waiting. and waiting .... and waiting.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.09.17 22:45:00 - [39] Re-name it Pinata Libre. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
RU Sirius Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.09.17 23:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Wendat Huron Re-name it Pinata Libre. OMG you guessed our secret name for it.
Ooyama Caldari Rastana CMP Motivated and Determined	Posted - 2008.09.17 23:41:00 - [41] Originally by: Xavier Zedicus Edited by: Xavier Zedicus on 17/09/2008 22:13:44 Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 17/09/2008 04:59:07 Logistics abilities aside, we all know that this thing is going to get infinipointed and toasted within weeks. I only hope that loldrama will result. Originally by: Locke DieDrake If star faction uses this to grief on faction warfare players, it'll be interesting to see the results. No DDD in Low Sec, so it's really just an oversized Dread with a jump bridge and corporate facilities. No real griefing potential tbh. JUST an over sized dread? Dont titans have like 8 high slots for capital guns! how NOT a griefing tool. Guess u ain't ever flown a cap,, it has 8 hi's,, yeah,, but have you checked tracking on capguns,, and more importantly,, what dps they can do when NOT in siege (hint,, a titan CANNOT fit a siege-mod). Props to SF for the ballsy move,, i hope u'll have a good time with ur Erebus (grr,,, couldn't u have taken an avvy,, i WUV da shinies). "Yama".
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.09.18 00:32:00 - [42] Originally by: RU Sirius Originally by: Wendat Huron Re-name it Pinata Libre. OMG you guessed our secret name for it. Is there an equally secret prize for doing so? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Orvas Dren Gallente Stimulus	Posted - 2008.09.18 01:21:00 - [43] I congratulate our distant brothers. Don't listen to these pilots and nay-say'ers. They are just afraid that you might actually put forth the skill and coordination in the use of something that could potentially move the tides of the current war in any direction it chose. ((On that note, as a distant ally of SF, anyone wanna buy the information needed to find it? j/k :P )) ______________________________________________________
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.18 01:36:00 - [44] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 18/09/2008 01:39:48 Originally by: Orvas Dren They are just afraid that you might actually put forth the skill and coordination in the use of something that could potentially move the tides of the current war in any direction it chose. I wouldn't like to meet the ship that could exert influence over the disorganized masses of FW. The least populous faction numbers around 2,600 plus affiliated non-NPC corps. Also consider that FW has no real purpose other than to give newer players some people to shoot, and to control some plexes that don't have any noteworthy purpose in the broader context of the game, so in other words there's really no reason to ever bother trying to shift the balance of power. Make no mistake about it, this Titan is for RP purposes only, because that's all that it really CAN be used for. Well that and jumpbridging. edit: That said, I do hope that CCP puts up some kind of monument at whatever the Titan wreck's final resting place turns out to be, in honor of someone engorging their epeen so mightily in the name of FW and RP.
Sgt Napalm Synergy Evolved	Posted - 2008.09.18 02:29:00 - [45] Do not let James Lyrus fly it.
Xenea	Posted - 2008.09.18 02:34:00 - [46] Ah, now I can speak more directly, outside the limits of IGS. First, congradulations are in order. While titan proliferation is not a good thing for EVE, it's great that titans are not limited to just the bigger 0.0 alliances and can be used by roleplayers. Good job Star Fraction! Now, let me just clarify I am neutral toward Star Fraction. That said, how is this different than the cyno-jammer issue that some people brought up a while back? I recall some serious whine about how cyno-jammers restricted the ability of a few to interact in the way they wished with other, larger, roleplaying organizations on an even playing field. Even though cyno-jammers could only be obtained by time, dedication, and ISK, it was somehow unfair for people to use them to their advantage -- according to some. Does the same apply to roleplaying groups smaller than Star Fraction who must now contend with the advantage the titan will bring, or does the fact that an alliance who puts in time, dedication, and ISK now has an advantage suddenly matter? I am just curious.
Rhaegor Stormborn Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.09.18 02:35:00 - [47] Originally by: Vaal Erit Using a Titan for FW is a gross mis-use of isk and resources. Oh well, at least you guys got mentioned in something This.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.09.18 02:42:00 - [48] you konw, i think tbh, titans need to be able to use the siege module or something so they are more useful than warp in and use a super strong smartbomb, becuase honestly, its kinda stupid thats pretty much all its used for it should have access to the siege module, or something simliar (specifically for the titan) increases XL turret damage my 4 or 5x, and increases defenseive abilities by like 2x (not to much since titans are f'ing huge any whoo) Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.09.18 02:48:00 - [49] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: Vaal Erit Using a Titan for FW is a gross mis-use of isk and resources. Oh well, at least you guys got mentioned in something This. Not everyone is a powergamer aligning themselves with whomever seems strongest at the time for maximum output. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.18 02:48:00 - [50] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 you konw, i think tbh, titans need to be able to use the siege module or something so they are more useful than warp in and use a super strong smartbomb, becuase honestly, its kinda stupid thats pretty much all its used for it should have access to the siege module, or something simliar (specifically for the titan) increases XL turret damage my 4 or 5x, and increases defenseive abilities by like 2x (not to much since titans are f'ing huge any whoo) A Titan in siege mode might as well just activate its self-destruct sequence. It will never hit anything except stationary objects, and it can't warp or cyno out for the duration of the siege. There's a reason Titans usually carry smartbombs and such in the Highs instead of guns, even without giving up all their tracking to an activate siege mod (if one could be fitted in the first place.)
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.09.18 02:51:00 - [51] Originally by: Xavier Zedicus Edited by: Xavier Zedicus on 17/09/2008 22:13:44 Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 17/09/2008 04:59:07 Logistics abilities aside, we all know that this thing is going to get infinipointed and toasted within weeks. I only hope that loldrama will result. Originally by: Locke DieDrake If star faction uses this to grief on faction warfare players, it'll be interesting to see the results. No DDD in Low Sec, so it's really just an oversized Dread with a jump bridge and corporate facilities. No real griefing potential tbh. JUST an over sized dread? Dont titans have like 8 high slots for capital guns! how NOT a griefing tool. yeah not trying to be the EFT warrior here, but w/ my skils ( i cant fly a capital ship) w/ 7 capital guns, on a titan, i can do a whopping 615dps w/ just cap guns (blasters) but it can do like 5000 volley damage now on a moros w/ only 3 guns, and a siege module i can do 1528 dps w/ 13.5k volley damage that aside again, this is why i think the titan should be able to fit its own form of a siege module, so it can do more damage than that, because like i said in previous post, its pretty much a one shot deal, AND ive heard that you can fit a BATTLESHIP to tank a DD blast, so it pretty much seems useless, now, if it had twice the firepower of a dread or more . . . . THAT would be something to see Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.09.18 02:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 you konw, i think tbh, titans need to be able to use the siege module or something so they are more useful than warp in and use a super strong smartbomb, becuase honestly, its kinda stupid thats pretty much all its used for it should have access to the siege module, or something simliar (specifically for the titan) increases XL turret damage my 4 or 5x, and increases defenseive abilities by like 2x (not to much since titans are f'ing huge any whoo) A Titan in siege mode might as well just activate its self-destruct sequence. It will never hit anything except stationary objects, and it can't warp or cyno out for the duration of the siege. There's a reason Titans usually carry smartbombs and such in the Highs instead of guns, even without giving up all their tracking to an activate siege mod (if one could be fitted in the first place.) im not going to lie, i dont konw ALL the mechanics of the siege module, i konw that it increases firepower and defense but cant move at all, but is there a set time a siege module is active for? for #1, #2: titans pretty much become that anyway in fleet battles, lol top speed of at most 100m/sec if that, might as well be stationary also, if titans could jump out at anytime, how come they never do cyno themselves out when the going gets tough? Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.18 03:00:00 - [53] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 18/09/2008 03:04:26 A Titan in a system where it can't fire a DDD is a beacon for organized pirate outfits. If it entered siege it might pose a danger to other capital ships and POSs, but that's it. And for its price, you could buy a bunch of Dreads that would be FAR, FAR more effective at killing other cap ships and POSs with a superior number of guns. As soon as the Titan entered siege (again assuming you could fit a siege to it) it loses its ability to do anything but tank and hit the slowest targets. Completely pointless. Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 im not going to lie, i dont konw ALL the mechanics of the siege module, i konw that it increases firepower and defense but cant move at all, but is there a set time a siege module is active for? for #1, #2: titans pretty much become that anyway in fleet battles, lol top speed of at most 100m/sec if that, might as well be stationary also, if titans could jump out at anytime, how come they never do cyno themselves out when the going gets tough? I forget how long the siege module is active for, but as long as you have enough Stront you can keep reactivating it. It instantly supergimps your tracking speed (or explosion velocity for citadels) and reduces your max velocity to zero. It does however let you tank quite a bit more damage, but you'll take every hit for full damage since you're sitting still. If an enemy cap fleet came in, you'd be done for if your support fleet isn't packing the DPS to take out the enemy caps. Normally siege mode is only activated when you have superiority on-grid, and a support fleet big enough to dissuade others from jumping in. The siege module is designed for anti-POS work mainly.
Reptzo Channel 4 News Team	Posted - 2008.09.18 03:04:00 - [54] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 im not going to lie, i dont konw ALL the mechanics of the siege module, i konw that it increases firepower and defense but cant move at all, but is there a set time a siege module is active for? for #1, #2: titans pretty much become that anyway in fleet battles, lol top speed of at most 100m/sec if that, might as well be stationary also, if titans could jump out at anytime, how come they never do cyno themselves out when the going gets tough? A sieged mode titan would basically be a dread with more guns, so kind of pointless. The not moving is bad cause there is no chance of getting away from dreads, that are seiged as well. Even at 100m/s, that is still fast enough to maybe get out of rng of the dreads shooting at you. Also, you apparently haven't heard of the nano titan that was built. And, the reason titans, or moms, or carriers, don't just cyno away, is cause they usually don't have enough capacitor, if the enemy fleet is big enough to kill them, they usually have someone people nossing/neuting. Since that is one of the easier ways to kill a capital ship. Like any active tank, if it runs out of cap, it has only hit points, meaning its just a matter of time.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.09.18 03:08:00 - [55] Originally by: Dirk Magnum A Titan in a system where it can't fire a DDD is a beacon for organized pirate outfits. If it entered siege it might pose a danger to other capital ships and POSs, but that's it. And for its price, you could buy a bunch of Dreads that would be FAR, FAR more effective at killing other cap ships and POSs with a superior number of guns. As soon as the Titan entered siege (again assuming you could fit a siege to it) it loses its ability to do anything but tank and hit the slowest targets. Completely pointless. i konw, lol im not pointing this out specifically FOR FW, but just in general, what use is a 50billion isk super smartbomb thats going to be on EVERYONE's target list anyway, and more than likely killed when it goes into battle again, not saying this WOULD be used for FW fleets, just for the entire game in general, even for alliances, because i do konw alliances have pos's in low sec, and having like 4 or 5 dreads rolled into one, im sure some alliances would love that plus, the titans "siege" module would also increase its defenses, in turn also giving titans more survivability all together whether in low sec or 00 space Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.18 03:10:00 - [56] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 18/09/2008 03:13:06 That's fair, but remember that even if the Titan could put out the DPS of twenty dreads, twenty dreads still cost half as much as a Titan. This is due in part because you can get away with T2 fitting on a Dread if you're rich enough to replace the ship but not rich enough to go meta 6+. With a Titan on the other hand it pays to go full Deadspace/Officer, because only a minute handful of people in Eve can PvP with a Titan operating under the assumption of "I fly this because I can afford to lose it", so you need to fit it like you're never going to lose it. Or that's my understanding of the philosophy anyway.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.18 03:13:00 - [57] I will now take bets on how long this Titan will actually be logged in, and if it will ever leave POS shields when it does happen to log in. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.18 03:15:00 - [58] Originally by: An Anarchyyt I will now take bets on how long this Titan will actually be logged in, and if it will ever leave POS shields when it does happen to log in. I'm sure every Star Fraction POS in FW systems will become priority targets by people who don't want to see this Titan POS-sitting happen.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.09.18 03:28:00 - [59] I doubt SF has a large number of POSs to begin with. SF doesn't like to be tied down to any one area. For them the Titan is more than a ship - it is their mobile station and base of operations. It will function as a place for SF's forces to operate from. For that I give SF props, they are trying to use a Titan how it is described in my mind. I never expect to see the "Black Plan" unless me and mine went hunting for it (which I doubt we will for awhile). If/when me & mine actually grow and gain better traction, I fully expect to have to suffer a SF war. It will be a ***ing challenge. The RP usage of it for corporate office and clone bays is awesome and I applaud it. Jade - it is rather difficult to shoot NPCs in the face. Founder Heiian Society*
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.09.18 03:51:00 - [60] Edited by: umop 3pisdn on 18/09/2008 03:52:27 I would like to see them use it extensively in FW and then go and tell ccp what it needs to be worth building and using. Then CCP can balance a titan around having no DD and remove the game breaking, game killing things for good.

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