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Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.17 17:48:00 -
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All this arguing when the real answer is to buy an absolution 
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Ash Bringer
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Posted - 2008.09.17 17:52:00 -
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If u are sure that there will be someone with u in all 0.0 for web and scram go nighthawk. Nothing beats constant some what low dps of missiles if ur target is not running.
If u want to undock solo in your CS without fear go sleipner.
Because 4k going raptor can point your nighthawk forever but can't point a sleipner for too long. Even falloff and speed is crapping your dps/tracking 1 wrong move and transversal down then puff interceptor.
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Lorz0r
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.09.17 18:14:00 -
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Why fly a Nighthawk for PVP? They get ploughed so hard by a battleship. The sleipnir just flies away if it's in trouble and the Nighthawk with an MWD is about the same speed as an MWD battleship.
The NH just simply doesn't have enough of an advantage over the drake to fly in PVP.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.09.18 06:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Cpt Branko
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/09/2008 17:31:26
Originally by: Pharaik
But how long till the patch comes out?? ive killed so many ppl in my nano slep im not overly bothered i got the worth out of it. But saying that nano isnt the way to go no more is stupid. With correct skills and ppl who know how to fit ships and claymores in gangs nano will still be effective not as much as it now. This patch could be months in coming, and im sure when (correct me if im wrong) they put it up on the test server it will be knocked back again.
Yeah - you got your value out of it - but the OP is considering cross-training into one, which means 2 months before he can fly it (Minmatar crusier V + T2 small + T2 med + spec IV). By the time it happens, we can probably expect the nano-nerf (hopefully not as severe as it is on SISI) to hit TQ. Which means, if the ship doesn't have merits in a non-nano fit, it's not worth spending two months on in hopes CCP will not proceed with the changes they've put a lot of effort towards.
Cross-training for a nano-CS after a massive nerf has been announced / put in testing is simply not a reasonable thing to do.
Out of curiosity, why don't you fit the rapid deployment link (particularly as you're the Claymore pilot)? It fits on a nano-setup quite well, knew some pilots who used it very efficently, and it does give you a preety massive boost if you've got the mindlink.
Im tending to lean towards branko here,
Ive got the following skills to finish before ill have at least decent skills to fly..
Minmi frig 4
Minmi cruiser 5
Small proj. 5
small ac spec 4
Medium proj. 5
medium ac spec 4.
-All support skills done-
So i doubt the nano-sleip will have much time left when thats all done.
When thats done ill just be using the medium neut inplace of the link.
Ill then procede to train for the link and replace the medium neut.
What is a decent link to use on a sleip btw? Was thinking information warfare, still undecided tho..
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente
EXCESS10N
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Posted - 2008.09.18 09:04:00 -
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interdiction maneuvers is a good ganglink for boosting all webs and points (tho not HIC points). rapid deployment for boosting all mwd / AB
information warfare ones are a bit meh
the armour tank ones are OK to good especially for remote rep gangs, the resist one i think stacks with resist mods
the siege ones as above but for shield transfers, the shield boost one adds a nice benefit to active shield tanks.
but to get the best out of these you really need the mindlink in and the training, and to get the max you need to be in a fleet CS.
and a useful point to remember is that ganglinks don't work in warp.
training all to 4 and your favourites onto the ganglink is a very nice boost to a gang, i think the speed bonus from skirmish warfare will become an agility one.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 18/09/2008 10:16:42
In regular gangs, I'd fit interdiction maneuvers, because it really does significantly boost the ability of the whole gang to tackle (which may be more relevant for low-sec given the lack of bubbles / inability to use ceptors and stuff on gates). The bonus is relatively nice when applied to people in Rapiers/Arazus/tackle ceptors though.
Rapid deployment is very nice (and will still be nice*) for roaming / relatively mobile gangs, also nice for soloing. The - sig radius one gives too little of a effect and doesn't really help bigger ships, you can safely ignore that (it's going to help your ceptor/nano pilots not get hit somewhat, but if one of your ships gets tackled, it's not going to help him).
Information warfare has three very (extremely) useful warfare links if you have any EW in your gangs or are facing ECM ships.
*They said it gives less of a speed bonus now but gives some agility on top, which still makes it sortof useful.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.09.18 10:48:00 -
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Interdiction it is..
If i see a few falcons in gang ill pop an information on then..Before I was looking at the increses to optimal, falloff etc, and thought it was for turrets aswell x) and thought the sleip wld really benefit.
Realising that i agree interdictions tackling bonus's would be much better for low sec ops.
While the agility link would be excellent for roaming gangs..
Looks like im all set, thanks for the advice
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.09.18 11:13:00 -
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1) Use a passive sleipnir for a valid comparison ...
2) The Sleipnir's DPS is at optimal, the Nighthawk's at up to 80Km or so.
Conclusion: the Sleipnir is good for a quick gank at a gate, but otherwise mostly worthless compared to NH except vs. nanoships.
Practical DPS of Minmatar ships (i.e. at typical PVP situations/ranges) are about 25-30% below other races. Would not recommend ...
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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K'jata
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Posted - 2008.09.18 11:45:00 -
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The nighthawk is superior to the Sleipnir, if you use it for its intended purpose!!!!
Someone might have already said this but i couldn't be bothered to read the 35+ replies to your thread, The nighthawk is one off the best ships to NPC in and definatly the best command ship for that purpose... lvl 4's in particular, the tank is phenonamal, the dps, i get around 400+ so thats maybe less then a sleip but if you fit it correctly (and you haven't btw) trust me, nighthawk is better.
I will however admit if you fit a sleipnir with 425mm Vulcan II's and hail charges it will rip and battleship without passing go or collecting 200m isk - yes i just like totally said that 
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Stems
Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2008.09.18 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: K'jata
I will however admit if you fit a sleipnir with 425mm Vulcan II's and hail charges it will rip and battleship without passing go or collecting 200m isk - yes i just like totally said that
I hate you. I'm at work and now have a massive urge to play Monopoly...
*wanders off grumbling*
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2008.09.18 14:04:00 -
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I have twice as many sp in missiles than I do in guns.
I can use tech II heavy's level 3 spec
I can only use medium projectile tech I level 3 at proj.
Having said that I would much prefer taking out a Sliep for PVP.
Even with my shite skill a Sliep massively outdamages a NH.
Sliep is insane damage , gotta be close to 2x the damage of a NH.
Then again the NH has the better tank , so pay your money and take your choice.
Imho.
Sliep 4 PvP
NH 4 PvE
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.09.18 14:41:00 -
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Then again the NH has the better tank , so pay your money and take your choice.
Not really. You can't active-tank the NH because it doesn't have the PG, while Sleip can fit XLSB. As for buffer tanks, the NH gets about 105k EHP compared to the Sleip's 91k EHP.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.09.18 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: BiggestT on 18/09/2008 17:25:31
Originally by: K'jata
The nighthawk is superior to the Sleipnir, if you use it for its intended purpose!!!!
Someone might have already said this but i couldn't be bothered to read the 35+ replies to your thread, The nighthawk is one off the best ships to NPC in and definatly the best command ship for that purpose... lvl 4's in particular, the tank is phenonamal, the dps, i get around 400+ so thats maybe less then a sleip but if you fit it correctly (and you haven't btw) trust me, nighthawk is better.
I will however admit if you fit a sleipnir with 425mm Vulcan II's and hail charges it will rip and battleship without passing go or collecting 200m isk - yes i just like totally said that
I doubt youve even used your nighthawk in pvp.
Im guessing u think i shld fit spr's.
Well ur guesse is wrong, for pvp spr's gimp you terribly.
The posted fit for the nh is the best ive come across, not to sound up myself.
Oh and you didnt read the part were i said ill be using the sleip for pvp. I know a nighthawk can mission run better, thats not what im asking.
edit: typos
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