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Pixiefalse	Posted - 2008.09.21 09:26:00 - [1] Well myself have been living in 0.0 making my money from ratting and have just returned to empire currently running level 3 msisions, almost at the level 4's now and looking for a bit of advice on ships for level 4's I am able to fit t2 Minmatar BS, HAC and Sleipner, Having all the supporting drone/Missle skills to level IV and have high gunnery skills. So basically im looking for opinions on which ships would be most efficiant to run level 4's with, been able to hold up a tank and kill as fast as possible. Thanks,
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.21 09:30:00 - [2] i'd say an ac fit mael, a 1200 fit mael, a cruise phoon, any of those. i really dont know as the last time i did a mission in a minmatar ship, they hadn't even made level 4 missions yet you'd really be better off just using a raven since you already have the missile and shield skills i'm sure.
Pixiefalse	Posted - 2008.09.21 09:37:00 - [3] I was looking into the Raven option been 10 days 2 hours away from training up to Caldari BS IV. Was just hoping I could still be able to minmatar ships to do level 4's efficiently enough
Mysteriax Scoopex	Posted - 2008.09.21 09:45:00 - [4] Both my Typhoon (T1 missles still) and my Maelstrom Full T2 fit (1200mm) are doing well for level 4 missions. Tank of both ships can be good enough and if you know how to keep low transversal my mael can kill cruisers orbiting at 11km (I do use 3 gyro and 2 Tracking enhancers in low). For the frigs if I cant pop em at range i use 5 T2 med drones. Sure a torp raven will probably do missions faster with less skill like keeping transversal low (tip use the look at other ship button and fly in the same direction). But DPS is fine and Tank is better then a raven.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.21 16:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Pixiefalse I was looking into the Raven option been 10 days 2 hours away from training up to Caldari BS IV. Was just hoping I could still be able to minmatar ships to do level 4's efficiently enough Just train up caldari BS 4. The closest you'll get to efficiently enough is a 1200 mael, but the DPS/range is awful.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.21 17:21:00 - [6] The Phoon works pretty well, but it's going to feel like you're doing everything in the world to make it work for you. The Mael works ok, I guess. The Raven/Domi works better than either of them. :-/ -Liang --
Kalissandra	Posted - 2008.09.21 17:32:00 - [7] Mael with 1200s is the most effective out of the 3 minmatar BS with good tank. Can hit cruisers at 5k given that you use proper transversal technicque and kiting where appropriate.
craygan	Posted - 2008.09.22 08:51:00 - [8] just started running lvl4's again myself.. fitted a mael with 1400's? Is this a bad idea why does eneryone say 1200 fit is 8x1400 art II x-l booster + amp etc 2xgyro II 2xtrack II sig amp II fitted rigs that reduce shield boost cap x3 rather than ccc's (cheeper) seems to work ok?
Galan Undris	Posted - 2008.09.22 12:12:00 - [9] Edited by: Galan Undris on 22/09/2008 12:14:13 Originally by: craygan just started running lvl4's again myself.. fitted a mael with 1400's? Is this a bad idea why does eneryone say 1200 fit is 8x1400 art II x-l booster + amp etc 2xgyro II 2xtrack II sig amp II fitted rigs that reduce shield boost cap x3 rather than ccc's (cheeper) seems to work ok? 1200s: - Easier fittings - Less reloading (1400s doesn't really have a dps advantage past the first reload) - Better tracking (not really as tracking*optimal are about the same on them). - Higher RoF/less alpha means less "overkill" when shooting groups of frigs/cruisers 1400s: - Longer range If 1400s work, use them. It's impossible to say one is "better" than the other. They have similar dps, just with different set of drawbacks. Id say, you're on the right track as long as you get by without using lowslots for tank or fitting mods (not hard on a Mealstrom)
Kurull Skullsplitter Minmatar Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2008.09.22 15:28:00 - [10] Edited by: Kurull Skullsplitter on 22/09/2008 15:28:48 Originally by: craygan just started running lvl4's again myself.. fitted a mael with 1400's? Is this a bad idea why does eneryone say 1200 fit is 8x1400 art II x-l booster + amp etc 2xgyro II 2xtrack II sig amp II fitted rigs that reduce shield boost cap x3 rather than ccc's (cheeper) seems to work ok? I ran a Maelstrom for a while and tried both. The 1400's look better on EFT but IMO Galan is right. Once they have to reload your losing more time than the dps gained. This was especially noticeable when the rat evidenced an active tank. The 1200's ended up putting the rats down faster for me. As to the OP question. If you have cruise skills use the typhoon. If you have gunnery use the Maelstrom. If you have both missiles and guns at relatively the same training level I suggest the Typhoon first as it is the cheapest to buy and the Platinum insurance actually pays off on it. Once you get used to the lvl 4's try a Maelstrom and see which you like better.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.22 16:54:00 - [11] I've tried both 1200 and 1400 Mael fits. I really like how easy 1200's are to fit. The 1400's were very useful in certain long range missions. I have found (historically) that it's useful to have more than one mission running ship for various missions. Maybe run a 1200mm Mael for ranged missions and a Siege/AC phoon for close range stuff? Meh, I've always had trouble coming up with a really reasonable mission phoon that didn't make me feel like I was giving up too much. -Liang --
Ghengis Tia	Posted - 2008.09.22 16:59:00 - [12] In a Mael keeping transversal low is key, I just hit the "keep distance at" button (set to optimal range) and let loose with my 1400 II's. Try not to get much closer than optimal. Forget the "Orbit at" button. The Typhoon doesn't have as much DPS (that is, with cruise and 1200's) but with Torps and 800 A/C's it is devastating. The only problem there is you have to get in real close. I have both ready to go in case the mission tips in favor for one or the other.
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.09.22 17:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Ghengis Tia The Typhoon doesn't have as much DPS (that is, with cruise and 1200's) but with Torps and 800 A/C's it is devastating. The only problem there is you have to get in real close. Alone, a Mael usually won't be good enough for lvl 4 missions, in my experience. It puts up a hell of a tank though. But you need something more flexible. Which is why your Phoon setup seems a lot nicer to me. Fastest T1 battleship around for excellence.
Svetlanna The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.09.22 21:35:00 - [14] If you have good skills for it, the Sleipnir with 650's is 1 of the possible answers. Solo all level 4 without any problem with good combination of tank, speed, damage and tracking.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.22 22:41:00 - [15] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 22/09/2008 22:40:53 Originally by: Svetlanna If you have good skills for it, the Sleipnir with 650's is 1 of the possible answers. Solo all level 4 without any problem with good combination of tank, speed, damage and tracking. uhh, lolwut? 593 DPS at 12km with RF/EMP, 3 Gyros, and 4 hammer IIs cares to disagree with you. My harbinger can put out more damage with a beam setup. OMG, it's capless!

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