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Twoside
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.23 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Twoside on 23/09/2008 12:12:37
Originally by: Varaxian Edited by: Varaxian on 23/09/2008 12:01:08 Brings up the EULA question and according to my legal source it¦s a breach of personal security and therefor a bannable offense, if RZR would have reported the IP to his ISP for Hacking/scripting their TS the matter would have been all good.
What he now did were giving out personal information phonenumber etc that severly could hurt a person IRL. Wich brings up the question about what lvl of gaming we do here? and when does it stop? beating the po0r guy IRL? calling his work and have him fired with blunt lies. Personal security and the anonymity is something we should value high.
I will make a petittion and see where this takes us. Therefor we will have a official CCP stand on it.
In the past, some1 already put private information on the boards, complained to their company about their (alledged) criminal activities and send text messages to ones private cellphone. And he wasn't banned so there you have it :)
If you wanna know who it was that posted it, he's been referred to in the propaganda article.
But you probably already knew this, so grats on a succesfull derailment! Angry windyprops! |
Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.23 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Varaxian but feel free to reply in this discussion....
My intention has never been to discuss these issues in public. This was forced on us by Jake Noble acting irresponsibly as usual. A post which has now ofcourse been removed off these forums.
I have several conversations ongoing both internally in RZR and with others regarding what's going on and how to handle it when it comes to our response to both social engineering and actual hacking attempts, btw fyi we classify the incident that has lead to this as hacking because his social engineering project had been busted and the guy was upset so he broke into our TS, that was his mistake and what prompted our reaction.
This is a potentially very touchy subject so I won't say much else. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
SFShootme
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.23 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: SFShootme on 23/09/2008 12:35:44
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Varaxian but feel free to reply in this discussion....
My intention has never been to discuss these issues in public. This was forced on us by Jake Noble acting irresponsibly as usual. A post which has now ofcourse been removed off these forums.
I have several conversations ongoing both internally in RZR and with others regarding what's going on and how to handle it when it comes to our response to both social engineering and actual hacking attempts, btw fyi we classify the incident that has lead to this as hacking because his social engineering project had been busted and the guy was upset so he broke into our TS, that was his mistake and what prompted our reaction.
This is a potentially very touchy subject so I won't say much else.
How exactly did the guy haxor into ur ts other then just registering on ur api thing cause he's in ur alliance?
Hey, feel free to convo me ingame to prove ur blatant lies
[VIDEO] Paroxysm
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Herm0dhr
Balder's Wrath
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Posted - 2008.09.23 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: SFShootme Edited by: SFShootme on 23/09/2008 12:35:44 How exactly did the guy haxor into ur ts other then just registering on ur api thing cause he's in ur alliance?
Hey, feel free to convo me ingame to prove ur blatant lies
He does not have to prove anything to you.
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CHIKA QRE
MAX-Fail agency
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Posted - 2008.09.23 12:46:00 -
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Our spy is being punished for spying on rzr. That is evil and must stop. Spies have rights too you know. No one has the righ to use out-of-game means to... riiiiiiight.
The hipocrisy of those who own the spy is amazing. And for all those who complain about laws and other out-of-game crap you should realise that in 99% of the cases law and justice have nothing in common. In this case justice was served well and spy got what he deserved.
And cut the preaching bobits, your past morale record gives you no right to tell others what they should or should not do. It was you who opened Pandora's box in EVE so stfu and enjoy the ride you started.
Justice for all.
MAX - Immature cry for attention
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Central Scrutinizer
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.23 13:33:00 -
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Obviously all the Razor guys are forgetting Jake Nobles angry outbursts over the publicized personal details of Kugutsumen. I mean, he was derailing threads, ranting over MSN, trying to get the leaker of those details banned.
Right?
Right? *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) |
Catherina sforza
Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.23 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Silence iKillYouu How was the phone number obtained?
stupid enough to not make his registered domain private :-)
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Silenced Ripper
Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.09.23 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Silenced Ripper on 23/09/2008 14:04:09
Originally by: CHIKA QRE Our spy is being punished for spying on rzr. That is evil and must stop. Spies have rights too you know. No one has the righ to use out-of-game means to... riiiiiiight.
The hipocrisy of those who own the spy is amazing. And for all those who complain about laws and other out-of-game crap you should realise that in 99% of the cases law and justice have nothing in common. In this case justice was served well and spy got what he deserved.
And cut the preaching bobits, your past morale record gives you no right to tell others what they should or should not do. It was you who opened Pandora's box in EVE so stfu and enjoy the ride you started.
Justice for all.
are you Butter dog¦s evil twin?, the bitterness within you is really scary
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Heptameron
Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.23 14:06:00 -
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Which also means it was information in the public domain, well anyone who knew his domain name anyway... tough if you ask me.
You talk about invasions of privacy? Holy s**t we have had forums hacked (eve related yes, but a privately held/run system), ditto for TS etc but try getting anything done about it. The number of attempts to hack our forums and/or TS is getting beyond a joke, a whole queue of script kiddies who deserve any and all OOG judgements served on them.
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PooooBear
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.23 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: PooooBear on 23/09/2008 14:11:39
guys, honest, I wasn't spying on razor ts! -Cippa RSF old timer. AKA "the dude" |
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Dark Angelete
Gallente Dark Angel Battalion
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Posted - 2008.09.23 14:45:00 -
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itt joining your ts like everyone else does through game and api is hacking.burneden be aware at down times when you invite people to log onto your ts.your being haxor!!
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.23 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Heptameron Which also means it was information in the public domain, well anyone who knew his domain name anyway... tough if you ask me.
You talk about invasions of privacy? Holy s**t we have had forums hacked (eve related yes, but a privately held/run system), ditto for TS etc but try getting anything done about it. The number of attempts to hack our forums and/or TS is getting beyond a joke, a whole queue of script kiddies who deserve any and all OOG judgements served on them.
You didn't complain when it was being done to BoB, did you? Now it's your turn. It's called Karma.
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Silence iKillYouu
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.09.23 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Silence iKillYouu on 23/09/2008 15:09:18
Originally by: Catherina sforza
Originally by: Silence iKillYouu How was the phone number obtained?
stupid enough to not make his registered domain private :-)
It was exactly as I thought then. That information was publicly released and you guys should quote the actual internet resource that gave you the information, just in case (though you can rest assured, not even a lawsuit can help this poor sod). As for meta-gaming, only way to fight it is with meta-gaming. So grats on discovering the wannabe James Bond, he deserves all the phone action.
Edit: Your only shot at getting something done is logging the events and petitioning their respective ISPs, but other than that, unless they actually steal information that causes prejudice (preferably of a material nature). My advice is that you plant some sensitive information on the forum, with a very low potential for damaging, in order to make the affair a felony, rather than a misdemeanor.
Your friendly legal counsel, Silence
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Twoside
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.23 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude Nice propaganda. It will surely motivate our troops. Thanks.
So you needed a moral boost eh?! |
Iasius
The Fated
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Posted - 2008.09.23 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Iasius on 23/09/2008 16:21:49 Edited by: Iasius on 23/09/2008 16:19:42 Edited by: Iasius on 23/09/2008 16:18:45 Edited by: Iasius on 23/09/2008 16:17:49 Ah yes more propaganda from a power bloc. The fanfare of trumpets, waving flags.
It never ceases to amaze me that those who lead forces who wear uniform are emboldened by its finery and yet end up being stuffy p***ks.
Myself i am attracted to the regalia of uniform and i rather fancy the fetching Russian air force general uniform below:-
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Spectre80
Caldari The Knights Templar
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Posted - 2008.09.23 16:34:00 -
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hacking/infiltrating ts and other voice programs+ very much increased spying and metagaming is ruining this game. it has to stop.
bob guy had what he deserved for doing shit like that.
how long till there will be more serious incidents? lots crazy people around world like was shown today in finland. boy shot 10 people dead (rip) in school and injured many others before trying to kill himself.
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Varaxian
Amarr Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2008.09.23 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Spectre80 hacking/infiltrating ts and other voice programs+ very much increased spying and metagaming is ruining this game. it has to stop.
bob guy had what he deserved for doing shit like that.
how long till there will be more serious incidents? lots crazy people around world like was shown today in finland. boy shot 10 people dead (rip) in school and injured many others before trying to kill himself.
Couldent agree more ... my prayers go out to their familys.
And posting personal information is not ok and wanting/encorageing to calling a 15 year old kid are just OMG.
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Heptameron
Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.23 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Heptameron on 23/09/2008 17:35:09 <ninja edit> can't be arsed derailing this thread any more....
nice job menas!!!! whooo hooo gooOOooOooOooOOooOooOooooo the NC!!!!
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Xiong Yoshi
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.23 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Xiong Yoshi on 23/09/2008 17:55:06
Originally by: Varaxian wanting/encorageing to calling a 15 year old kid are just OMG.
I bet if that 15 year old's parents received a phone call informing them of their child's attempts at hacking into a website, or knowingly associating with those who continuously attempt to hack into a website, those parents will have an "OMG moment".
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.23 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Metal Dude on 23/09/2008 18:36:18
Originally by: Twoside
Originally by: Metal Dude Nice propaganda. It will surely motivate our troops. Thanks.
So you needed a moral boost eh?!
Emm, who's making propaganda posts? Yea.
The truth will set you free
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Khandara Seraphim
StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.09.23 19:31:00 -
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does anyone have a link to the red cross titan one?
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Twoside
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.23 20:40:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 23/09/2008 18:36:18
Originally by: Twoside
Originally by: Metal Dude Nice propaganda. It will surely motivate our troops. Thanks.
So you needed a moral boost eh?!
Emm, who's making propaganda posts? Yea.
So propaganda = moral boost? |
Xiong Yoshi
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.23 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Khandara Seraphim does anyone have a link to the red cross titan one?
------------------------------------------------ There are only two types of ships: those which have blown up; and those which will.
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.23 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Twoside
Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 23/09/2008 18:36:18
Originally by: Twoside
Originally by: Metal Dude Nice propaganda. It will surely motivate our troops. Thanks.
So you needed a moral boost eh?!
Emm, who's making propaganda posts? Yea.
So propaganda = moral boost?
For you, yes. For us, it's motivation to kill you more. Get it? No? OK.
The truth will set you free
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Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.23 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Silence iKillYouu Edited by: Silence iKillYouu on 23/09/2008 15:09:40 Edited by: Silence iKillYouu on 23/09/2008 15:09:18
Originally by: Catherina sforza
Originally by: Silence iKillYouu How was the phone number obtained?
stupid enough to not make his registered domain private :-)
It was exactly as I thought then. That information was publicly released and you guys should quote the actual internet resource that gave you the information, just in case (though you can rest assured, not even a lawsuit can help this poor sod). As for meta-gaming, only way to fight it is with meta-gaming. So grats on discovering the wannabe James Bond, he deserves all the phone action.
Edit: Your only shot at getting something done is logging the events and petitioning their respective ISPs, but other than that, unless they actually steal information that causes prejudice (preferably of a material nature)... My advice is that you plant some sensitive information on the forum, with a very low potential for damaging, in order to make the affair a felony, rather than a misdemeanor.
Your friendly legal counsel, Silence
Yes mr legal council, as everone can see i was the guy posting the information i will give you, as i've done before in this thread the webpages where you can find the information. The domain info is pretty easy, just do a lookup on the domain, it will give you the apropriate information, like address and such and when you have the name and address you search google for a UK reverse lookup service where you can enter the street address and city and it will give you a telephone number. Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator |
Sekar casal
Dynamic Tactical Solutions
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Posted - 2008.09.23 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sekar casal on 23/09/2008 22:58:24 Its an interesting point this, the metagaming community may have been bitten in the ass,god forbid that is restricted to BoB, they arent quite, infact are not as 'smacktard' as some of the newer elements of their pets are. The whole metagaming thing aint restricted to GBC as everyone knows, obviously their are Goons, PL and a load of other folks dependent on it, and CCP arent going to do anything about it, there isnt anything they can do. Someone in this thread has already alluded to the possible issues from all this stuff.
The metagaming broke the seal between real life and the game world, razor have done something trivial (and in my opinion quite funny and very justified at first glance), but they have shown how easily it can escalate.
The folks to make it stop, the ones that really carry responsibility for the road that eve is going down now are Molle, PL, Goon and the rest. The only way this route is going to stop is if the folks in these and the other plethora of major organisations accept its a game and aggree on limits,
But that isnt going to happen is it, cos to you Sir Molle and the rest its more than a game, to Goons its proving the internet makes you dumb (so you will do it and continue insulting folks as much as you can after you have ripped through em with a spy, but thats how the internet made you dumb), to Molle its proving how potent your e-peen is. You lot really are gonna push this as far as it goes, and Molle, Goons the rest of you, you better get yourselves a house share deal with that lad in indonesia, cos thats what you will be depending on.
On the other hand carry on as you are.
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Wesley Baird
Order and Chaos
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Posted - 2008.09.23 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sekar casal Edited by: Sekar casal on 23/09/2008 22:58:24 Its an interesting point this, the metagaming community may have been bitten in the ass,god forbid that is restricted to BoB, they arent quite, infact are not as 'smacktard' as some of the newer elements of their pets are. The whole metagaming thing aint restricted to GBC as everyone knows, obviously their are Goons, PL and a load of other folks dependent on it, and CCP arent going to do anything about it, there isnt anything they can do. Someone in this thread has already alluded to the possible issues from all this stuff.
The metagaming broke the seal between real life and the game world, razor have done something trivial (and in my opinion quite funny and very justified at first glance), but they have shown how easily it can escalate.
The folks to make it stop, the ones that really carry responsibility for the road that eve is going down now are Molle, PL, Goon and the rest. The only way this route is going to stop is if the folks in these and the other plethora of major organisations accept its a game and aggree on limits,
But that isnt going to happen is it, cos to you Sir Molle and the rest its more than a game, to Goons its proving the internet makes you dumb (so you will do it and continue insulting folks as much as you can after you have ripped through em with a spy, but thats how the internet made you dumb), to Molle its proving how potent your e-peen is. You lot really are gonna push this as far as it goes, and Molle, Goons the rest of you, you better get yourselves a house share deal with that lad in indonesia, cos thats what you will be depending on.
On the other hand carry on as you are.
Big talk from behind an alt...
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djNME
DAB
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Posted - 2008.09.23 23:58:00 -
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Lets get excited because we think out meta gamed someone.
Lets smack at the anti meta gamers turn meta gamers.
Still got to love the forums at work though.
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Crypt
Vogon Deconstruction Fleet
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Posted - 2008.09.24 03:02:00 -
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Edited by: Crypt on 24/09/2008 03:05:00 nevermind. My comments will fall on deaf ears anyway.
Quote: It is a poor sort of man who is content to be spoon-fed knowledge that has been filtered through the canon of religious or political belief. ~ Louis L'Amour
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.24 09:42:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Twoside
Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 23/09/2008 18:36:18
Originally by: Twoside
Originally by: Metal Dude Nice propaganda. It will surely motivate our troops. Thanks.
So you needed a moral boost eh?!
Emm, who's making propaganda posts? Yea.
So propaganda = moral boost?
For you, yes. For us, it's motivation to kill you more. Get it? No? OK.
You should read the whole thread. It's not meant as propaganda or morale boost at all (since we really don't need it). It was made by a player for fun and posted to let eve players have a look at the great work. Get it? No? Ok. (How big must be your bitterness...)
Sry for the pyramid, but this guy really needs to be enlighted
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