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Gordon Marinius
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.23 14:11:00 -
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I am geting on my way to deciding what ores to learn to mine with mining crystals. But since this takes rank 4 in each proficiency then I would like to know what order I should be learning the ores I need to mine. Listed by importance.
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Fedius Tharpe
Amarr
Astrum Messor Industrius
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Posted - 2008.09.23 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Fedius Tharpe on 23/09/2008 14:22:49
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=434899
The above link will answer all your questions.
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Gordon Marinius
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.23 14:33:00 -
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A little drawn out perhaps. Can anyone sumarize?
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Shaniqua Kadesh
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Posted - 2008.09.23 15:21:00 -
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Start with Veldspar.....
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Ikserak tai
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Posted - 2008.09.23 15:55:00 -
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Omber and Kernite are ores required for some storyline missions, and their cost is far in excess of their mineral value. In fact their cost is much higher than their more dense counterparts, which cannot be substituted for them in the missions.
Prices are highest around the mission hubs, obviously.
Hauling them is a bit of a pain since they take up a lot of room vs their refined minerals.
Just a tip in case you want to get into the ore selling biz.
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Delilah Blackheart
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Posted - 2008.09.23 16:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Gordon Marinius
A little drawn out perhaps. Can anyone sumarize?
Perhaps you should put forward a minimal amount of effort and research on your own first (aka read the Guide) instead of expecting your answers handed to you on a veldspar platter.  |
Gordon Marinius
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.23 17:10:00 -
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What's the point of having a forum then at all if all they are to be used for is linking to 60 pages of pdf for every simple question.
And after reading the guide I still didn't take notice of any hints concerning what order to learn mineral refining.
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Xonox Galatorg
Gallente
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.23 17:17:00 -
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start with veldspar and scordite. look around the area you are in, what other types are there, train for those as well. which ones you should train for depend on which ones you will be mining.
If you are in highsec it will be:
Veldspar, Scordite, Omber, Plagioclase, Kernite, and Pyroxeres.
-Xonox
Pulsar Combat Supplies, Director of Production and POS |
Gordon Marinius
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.23 19:08:00 -
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I'l be piloting my hulk in 12 days and 6 hours so I was thinking hulk-class minerals. I guess it depends alot on where any future corporation I join mines.
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Sysion
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Posted - 2008.09.23 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gordon Marinius
And after reading the guide I still didn't take notice of any hints concerning what order to learn mineral refining.
Then you missed the nice ISK/m3 table on page 48 and the whole section dedicated to "Show me the money".
You do need to learn how to do some of your own math/research. Prices are always changing, so what is highest at one point won't be later on. Those prices are from a year ago, so not 100% accurate anymore.
On the forums, people won't always give you the answer, but can point you in the right direction. Being ****y only makes them less inclined. What do you mean order? Look at pure profit? Look hi-sec/lo-sec/0.0? Looking at requires skills? Ask a vague question, get a vague answer.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.09.24 01:02:00 -
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Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 24/09/2008 01:04:39
Here's a chart you might find useful.
As for refining skills, learn them all. I only went to lv. 3 though - still plenty for a perfect refine and T1 crystals are good enough for me for the moment.
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Gordon Marinius
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.24 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: Gordon Marinius on 24/09/2008 07:10:16
Edited by: Gordon Marinius on 24/09/2008 07:09:56
I do plan to learn all of them eventualy but I have a big list of things to learn and I don't want the tank skills falling behind too far just to get all the refining skills early.
Here's my evemon list (in no particular order)
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http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3456/em2ek4.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1358/em3ch0.jpg
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Myleen Mountainheart
Gallente
Red Fox Company
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Posted - 2008.09.24 11:53:00 -
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My piece of advice:
Start with veldspar, plagioclase and scordite. They only require the processing skills at 4. After that omber, kernite, pyroxeres. After that you'll have to learn Metallurgy and eventually refining efficiency to 5. After that - all lowsec/0.0 ores in no particular order (unless you actually have access to lowsec/0.0 ore belts). And finally mercoxit, but only after you've spent some SP in deep core mining.
Fly safe.
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Gordon Marinius
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.24 12:35:00 -
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Now that's what I wanted to hear. I'm saving that peice in my documentation.
A big thank you.
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Gordon Marinius
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.24 12:37:00 -
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Meanwhile does anyone know what these items are?
Gistii-A Small Shield Booster
Eutectic Cap Recharger
Gist-B NPC Specific Hardeners
Caldari Navy Small Shield Booster
I had these items suggested to me but I can't find them in neither evemon nor the market.
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General Urlana
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Posted - 2008.09.24 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gordon Marinius
Meanwhile does anyone know what these items are?
Gistii-A Small Shield Booster
Eutectic Cap Recharger
Gist-B NPC Specific Hardeners
Caldari Navy Small Shield Booster
I had these items suggested to me but I can't find them in neither evemon nor the market.
They are faction and complex items. You'll find them under contracts.
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Mona X
Caldari
Polish Task Forces
C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.09.24 13:31:00 -
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Eutectic Cap Recharger is just meta 4 cap recharger.
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Gordon Marinius
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.24 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: General Urlana
Originally by: Gordon Marinius
Meanwhile does anyone know what these items are?
Gistii-A Small Shield Booster
Eutectic Cap Recharger
Gist-B NPC Specific Hardeners
Caldari Navy Small Shield Booster
I had these items suggested to me but I can't find them in neither evemon nor the market.
They are faction and complex items. You'll find them under contracts.
I click the contract bar and there are no contracts at all.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2008.09.24 19:45:00 -
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They are not always for sale. I saw a Gistii B-Type small booster on contracts last night; it was 49.9 million IIRC. They are random drops from officers, so they aren't exactly what you call common. And because they are very, very valuable you won't find them sold through the general market.
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Gordon Marinius
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.24 20:00:00 -
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I'l just buy some regular versions of those items then. Atleast it will all be easy to replace incase something happens.
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Dragons Talon
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Posted - 2008.09.24 20:08:00 -
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simple..fly to a belt of your picking..see whats there and train those..then train the other high sec ones..leave the low/0.0 for later unless you have safe access to those areas.
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Xonox Galatorg
Gallente
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.24 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gordon Marinius
I'l be piloting my hulk in 12 days and 6 hours so I was thinking hulk-class minerals. I guess it depends alot on where any future corporation I join mines.
There is no such thing as "hulk-class" minerals. Training any ore processing skills to 3 will only take a few hours per skill. If you are worried about holding your tank skills back to train in level 3 on a bunch of them you are probably trying to push yourself forward quicker than you should be. If you don't know what ores you will need crystals for you haven't been mining very long and shouldn't be in a Hulk.
I would follow Dragon's advice above. See what you are mining and train it in. There should only be 2-3 ore processing skills to train in right away and you would be able to get those to lvl 3 in a day or two. Stick to highsec unless you are in a corp that has secured 0.0 or lowsec space.
My advice would be to read Halada's Mining guide that was linked in the first reply and try to learn the game a little before you start trying to push yourself into an expensive ship that pulls in tons of ore. Mostly because based on the replies you are giving I'd say you are a prime target for a can flip 
What you will need to train in solely lies in what you are doing, but veldspar and scordite are all over and those can always be useful.
One other thing. In your original post you say you want to use mining crystals and need rank 4. First of all "Rank" refers to how difficult that skill is and you are confusing it with the "Level" of the skill. Rank is the number in the parenthesis next to the skill name. Rank 1 Lvl V = 256k SP while Rank 4 Lvl V ~ 1mil SP. Levels 1-3 and many times level 4 (depending on rank) take very little time to get trained in. My guess is that you were referring to T2 crystals that you need Level IV processing skills for and not the T1 variant that only needs Level III.
Yeah it's nice to say that you are in a hulk that can destroy 'roids most efficiently, but when you know so little about mining that you aren't even sure what ores you will be mining then you're doing something wrong.
-Xonox
Pulsar Combat Supplies, Director of Production and POS |
Arkeladin
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Posted - 2008.09.24 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Arkeladin on 24/09/2008 21:02:29
Originally by: Gordon Marinius
I am geting on my way to deciding what ores to learn to mine with mining crystals. But since this takes rank 4 in each proficiency then I would like to know what order I should be learning the ores I need to mine. Listed by importance.
This may not be your intent...
...what your message is basically asking the Forum is "tell me how to be rich mining".
The Forum can't do that. Nobody can. What will enable you to make the most ISK mining is HIGHLY situational, depending on where you are, what the markets are like, how much hauling of minerals you want to do, the security status where you'll be working, AND if hauling, what parts of space you're going to be hauling through.
The ores required for storyline missions, for example, are usually Veldspar, Scordite, Omber, and Kernite. Those usually sell quite well near missioning hubs. Problems is, both Veld and Scordite are VERY easily obtainable, so what you're doing is banking on people's laziness. So, if you want to sell to missioners, you'd really want to mine Omber and Kernite, then transport it near mission hubs and sell there. The closer the better, some missioners don't want huge haulers (one lvl3 storyline mission wanted 10,000 units Omber, for example) so if you sell in stations that have Storyline agents you can charge a slight premium for convenience's sake.
Other than that, check the markets OVER TIME in your region, see what the peaks and valleys are and where, and use that information.
Remember that the processing skills do NOT affect mining yield - what they affect is yield when REFINING, and if you're going to sell refined minerals IGNORE everything above about selling to missioners - they want ore, not refined minerals.
Again, NOBODY can provide you with a roadmap - do the research, decide what you're going to mine, and if you're hauling raw ore or minerals - and train for that. That'd be the most effective use of your time. If you change, later on - train for that at that time!
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Gordon Marinius
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.25 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Xonox Galatorg
One other thing. In your original post you say you want to use mining crystals and need rank 4. First of all "Rank" refers to how difficult that skill is and you are confusing it with the "Level" of the skill. Rank is the number in the parenthesis next to the skill name. Rank 1 Lvl V = 256k SP while Rank 4 Lvl V ~ 1mil SP. Levels 1-3 and many times level 4 (depending on rank) take very little time to get trained in. My guess is that you were referring to T2 crystals that you need Level IV processing skills for and not the T1 variant that only needs Level III.
It was a typo
Originally by: Arkeladin
...what your message is basically asking the Forum is "tell me how to be rich mining".
No that's not what I'm after. I'm looking to have a good time mining with a corp made out of people I) enjoy being around
Originally by: Arkeladin
Remember that the processing skills do NOT affect mining yield - what they affect is yield when REFINING, and if you're going to sell refined minerals IGNORE everything above about selling to missioners - they want ore, not refined minerals.
Actualy you need refining skills in order to use T1 and T2 mining crystals which I why I asked about the importance of different ores so I can train my refining skills in the proper order to allways have a T2 mining crystal fited on my miner when I have something to mine. To be as versatile as possible.
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