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Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.09.25 13:46:00 - [1] Just been pondering. If somebody kills loads of people, why do we call them the worst mass murderers? Surely they are the best mass murderers? I'd be the joint equal amongst the worst mass murderers of all time, as I haven't actually killed anyone.
CynoAlt1 Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.09.25 13:57:00 - [2] Mass Murder is generally held to be a bad thing. Thus, the modifier "worst" can apply just as much as "best" can. It is ambiguous, I admit.
Tao Han Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Blade.	Posted - 2008.09.25 14:20:00 - [3] Because they got caught, the good ones dont?
Karma Eve University	Posted - 2008.09.25 14:42:00 - [4] puts on a thinking cap and ponders the best mass murderers do not get called mass murderers at all, since they're smart enough to not let people realize that it's the same person that is killing all these people... but besides that, yeah, as CynoAlt1 said... if you're the best at something really bad, you're generally referred to as the worst... it's a hangover from 'the worst kind of man', I imagine.
Mea Lustra Amarr United Sentients	Posted - 2008.09.25 15:38:00 - [5] The best mass murderer is someone who kills lots. The worst killed so few it almost doesn't earn the label "mass". That's how I see it.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.09.25 16:25:00 - [6] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 25/09/2008 16:25:47 Originally by: Tao Han Because they got caught, the good ones dont? hahah I was eating chocolate and dropped a few bits from my mouth while laughing. It was that good.
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.25 16:32:00 - [7] I murdered tens of thousands of insects even without using WMD
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.09.25 16:41:00 - [8] Here's my favorite: Efren Saldivar Victims count 60-100 he lost track at some point. hahah
Buff Plankchest Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.25 16:58:00 - [9] Wait, are we talking mass murderers or serial killers? Worst mass murderer in recent memory would be the 9/11 hijackers Worst (or best) serial killer? ******?
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.09.25 17:04:00 - [10] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 25/09/2008 17:06:19 Originally by: Buff Plankchest Wait, are we talking mass murderers or serial killers? Worst mass murderer in recent memory would be the 9/11 hijackers Worst (or best) serial killer? ******? (edit: ends with itler, starts with an H ) Spree killing and Mass Murder are overlapping but then again I felt like the OP wanted to talk about serial killing. Serial killers and Mass murderers video

YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.09.25 17:08:00 - [11] Originally by: YouGotRipped Here's my favorite: Efren Saldivar Victims count 60-100 he lost track at some point. hahah Jeffrey Dahmer Victim's count 17.
Baldour Ngarr Interwarp Plexus Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2008.09.25 17:12:00 - [12] "Most efficient" might be an emotionally-neutral term. Then again, when it comes to mass murderers, I suspect most people don't want an emotionally-neutral term. And the highest-scoring in terms of raw numbers have to be some of the officers working at Dachau and Belsen - whoever actually had the job of turning on the gas. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Glarion Garnier Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.09.25 19:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Buff Plankchest Edited by: Buff Plankchest on 25/09/2008 16:59:41 Edited by: Buff Plankchest on 25/09/2008 16:58:44 Wait, are we talking mass murderers or serial killers? Worst mass murderer in recent memory would be the 9/11 hijackers Worst (or best) serial killer? ******? (edit: ends with itler, starts with an H ) Well actually he's not, because he didn't actually do it... I guess the best serial killer was Jack the Ripper I want to see what history books they give you in the school you went to. have you ever heard of Stalin.. In recent times Hush is more or less responsible for 1 mil Iraqis _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.09.25 20:13:00 - [14] I think some people here are confusing war criminal with serial killer. Lets try to keep this non political please.
Karma Eve University	Posted - 2008.09.25 20:35:00 - [15] war criminal (self explanatory) mass murderer (usually bombers, or terrorists?) spree-killer (think disgruntled employee) serial killer ((usually) a single individual that (also usually) kills people in a similar fashion, or in other ways get all their kills linked together to form a pattern). the first three have some overlap between them. the fourth is a bit of a loner.
Baldour Ngarr Interwarp Plexus Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2008.09.25 20:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Glarion Garnier In recent times Hush is more or less responsible for 1 mil Iraqis This may be so, but - as with Stalin - in not one single case has he actually killed any of them. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2008.09.25 20:45:00 - [17] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 25/09/2008 17:48:21 Here's my favorite: Efren Saldivar Victims count 60-100 he lost track at some point. hahah Jeffrey Dahmer Victim's count 17. Ted Bundy 35-100 Pathetic amatuers. Lickspittle wanna-bes whose paltry efforts pale into insignificance beside the life's work of the one, true master of enforced euthenasia Harold Shipman, the "Old Dear hunter", the gold medal winner in the Olympics of Death. Locking him up couldn't stop him either. Deprived of the opportunity to better his score by the humourless UK state, he did what he did best with the only target left; himself. What commitment! We may never see his like again. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.09.25 22:14:00 - [18] Erm, it's kind of gone a bit off track here. I wasn't really looking for lists with the highest body counts!
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.09.25 22:16:00 - [19] phew, could thing I didn't post my body count then.
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2008.09.25 22:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Fink Angel I'd be the joint equal amongst the worst mass murderers of all time, as I haven't actually killed anyone. Technically untrue. Whilst you may not actually have "popped a cap in someone's donkey" as I believe it is called, you are part of a technologically advanced civilisation that pollutes and poisons, and as such are guilty of pushing folk forward, by small increments, to meet their maker. Burn fossil fuels, serve someone alcohol, sell someone else pre-packaged over-processed drek masqeurading as food (I'm looking at you Aldi employees), or do anything that might conceivably help those that do, and you are as guilty as the rest of us. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.

Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.09.25 23:58:00 - [21] I'm a convicted cereal killer. I tend to like splitting them into two before I crush one part and eat the other. _
Baldour Ngarr Interwarp Plexus Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2008.09.26 00:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Jago Kain Burn fossil fuels, serve someone alcohol, sell someone else pre-packaged over-processed drek masqeurading as food (I'm looking at you Aldi employees), or do anything that might conceivably help those that do, and you are as guilty as the rest of us. Guilty, perhaps, but not of murder. Causing death by negligence is not murder. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2008.09.26 00:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Jago Kain Burn fossil fuels, serve someone alcohol, sell someone else pre-packaged over-processed drek masqeurading as food (I'm looking at you Aldi employees), or do anything that might conceivably help those that do, and you are as guilty as the rest of us. Guilty, perhaps, but not of murder. Causing death by negligence is not murder. Depends on whose definition you use. One of the great things about the English language is that it is so versatile, with a word for almost anything (apart from the area at the back of your knees... although I'm sure some med student will pop up here to furnish us with the anatomically correct term) and a number of meanings for many words.... including murder. Also, just because petrol companies, and other big business concerns (including the food industry) are rarely brought to book for their misdeeds, doesn't mean it's legal; just that they have decent lawyers & lobbyists and friends in high places. After all, where would Ken Clarke's BAT money have come from if the tobacco industry had been called to account for the deliberate suppression of evidence that smoking is harmful in order to profit from people's addiction to a drug (arguably...for the pedants) far more harmful than many (currently) illegal ones? The murderous side effects of modern life are apparent everywhere, yet most are content to sit back and watch rather than directly do something about it, or even vote someone in that will. I stand by my pedantry and refute yours; just because it's currently legal and accepted, doesn't mean it's not murder. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.09.26 01:09:00 - [24] As far as I am aware a mass murderer needs to kill four or more in one location in one event. This would put the likes of Timothy McVeigh up there as the worst, along with the 9/11 attacks. If you are interested, other cases you may wish to research are the New Mexico State Prison riot, Rev. Jim Jones and the quite bizarre case of Sylvestre Matuschka. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2008.09.26 04:15:00 - [25] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar I murdered tens of thousands of insects even without using WMD I read that as MWD at first..........I need to stop playin EvE so much ----------------- My EvE Comic
Baldour Ngarr Interwarp Plexus Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2008.09.26 06:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Jago Kain I stand by my pedantry and refute yours; just because it's currently legal and accepted, doesn't mean it's not murder. Even were it illegal, it still would not be murder. It would be causing death by negligence - manslaughter at worst. To be classed as murder required that the objective of the exercise is to kill someone. Shell don't go out and kill people on purpose. Even their detractors wouldn't accuse them of that; though they might well argue that Shell know their actions will cause deaths and don't care, not one of them will claim that Shell take those actions because they will cause deaths. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.09.26 06:31:00 - [27] Originally by: CCP Mitnal ... and the quite bizarre case of Sylvestre Matuschka. I only know the story of him through the Jello Biafra / D.O.A. song, oddly enough titled "Sylvestre Matushka"! A case of a guy who got sexual kicks from watching trains crash, mixed with the fact he was a demolition explosives expert. Not the greatest mix! Imprisoned before World War II, then released because the (Hungarian?) resistance needed demolitions teams. # Some say that's how he died. Was he in Korea? No one knows. Any trains been wiped out Near a nursing home in your town lately? #
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.09.26 09:18:00 - [28] Originally by: Karma puts on a thinking cap and ponders the best mass murderers do not get called mass murderers at all, since they're smart enough to not let people realize that it's the same person that is killing all these people... but besides that, yeah, as CynoAlt1 said... if you're the best at something really bad, you're generally referred to as the worst... it's a hangover from 'the worst kind of man', I imagine. Mass murderers kill a number of people in a short period of time, making it pretty obvious there's a connection. You're thinking of serial killers. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Rana Ash Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.09.26 10:51:00 - [29] People are'nt the worst killers, just look at The Spanish Flu, It is estimated that anywhere from 20 to 100 million people were killed worldwide lyret dedreen
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.09.26 12:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Rana Ash People are'nt the worst killers, just look at The Spanish Flu, It is estimated that anywhere from 20 to 100 million people were killed worldwide Ok, so we went there. I'll go one up on you, time is the worst killer, eventually it gets us all. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!



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