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Aiden Andraste
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:07:00 -
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10000 opinions have been silenced. CCP needs to fix it or just scrap the CSM. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:17:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:10000 opinions have been silenced. CCP needs to fix it or just scrap the CSM. Yes silenced by the complete incompetence of your own representative that you used your precious vote to vote with. Stop crying like a baby and move on. You should be VASTLY CONTENT that he isn't banned permanently. You should be content that your government allows you outside to contribute to your society with such terribad logic rattling around your brainpan. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:38:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP (snip) Debatable. In his little speech to his Alliance, he states that CCP has "thrown him under the bus". The speech clearly illustrates that The Mittani is wounded that CCP would pin him to a cross just to make a statement of "SEE GUYS?! WE DONT CONDONE PEOPLE SAYING KILL YOURSELF!!!" to the rest of the world.
Regardless of this throwing under the bus being right or wrong, 10000 votes were also simultaneously tossed in the garbage can. Unless the 10000 votes are allowed to be recast, this means that we as players do not actually have an effect on the CSM and can be disregarded at any time when it is convenient for CCP to do so.
TLDR: CSM is a free ticket to iceland and irrelevant. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:59:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Ok. I'll give this one last go, but it's frustrating when you keep presenting logical arguments only for the person you're debating to essentially plug their ears and go "I refuse to listen, and will instead regurgitate my same flawed logic near-verbatim".
10,000+ votes were counted. Mittani won. That's why he had a position to be removed from. The voices were heard...that's how we know how many of them there were. They were counted, not "disregarded".
Mittani won the CSM7 election.Nobody is debating that.
His own conduct, however, led to his removal from that position. Post-election. He will now be replaced by an alternate, which is exactly why they're there in the first place.
TL;DR: You voted for someone who got themselves thrown out of office, and now have to live with the consequences of that choice.
Leaving this topic to other people to debate now, because after this I can't explain it any more clearly. The important bit that you and everyone in this thread keeps missing is in your TLDR: You voted for someone who got themselves thrown out of office, and now have to live with the consequences of that choice.
I voted for someone who got thrown out, yes. I at the same time do not have to 'live with the consequences' as you put it. I can request for CCP to either reinstate Mittens as a regular member of the CSM, allow the 10000 to revote or have an entire redo of the CSM process. Your opinion is that I should just ~deal wit it~ and mine is that 10000 voices were silenced. We have different opinions and the CSM is cheapened by it. You deal with it. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:01:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Amity Lane wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP (snip) Debatable. In his little speech to his Alliance, he states that CCP has "thrown him under the bus". Hes full of double talk and double think. Not a shock. Easy to crucify a man from behind the anonymity of the internet. Get thrilled in a fire. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:07:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Important stuff Sorry, poetic, trying to reduce pyramid quoting. I cant think of any time I have ever agreed with you and until that post, I always thought you a terrible troll. Thank you for proving me wrong. What you said times a ******* million. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:10:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Sorry mate, the election is over.
they voted for a guy that got himself booted. There are alternates for a reason.
Cry me a river. Bad poster above supports the movement to revote! Thank you, kind sir. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:31:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:That is, of course, what will happen. That's the completely valid and logical route for CCP to take. Now, if the entire new CSM were to resign, then that changes the options for CCP.
It's an interesting prospect. I doubt that re-running the election would be 100% free from CCP's standpoint (it will at the very least cost a few man-hours), but it's a thought. This of course hinges on 13 e-Politicians being able to 1. Unanimously agree on something and 2. Have that agreement be to give up their own position and hope they can repeat their election success...a prospect that seems daunting if not impossible. It does kind of undermine the whole concept though. "Well, we don't like the rules in place for replacing a lost member so we're just all gonna quit and make you do it over". I don't know. We'll see how it plays out, I guess. So when I say it, I'm bad at logic and should go away. But when Poetic writes a blog about it, its suddenly a good idea? ::psyexplode:: |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:38:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:So when I say it, I'm bad at logic and should go away. But when Poetic writes a blog about it, its suddenly a good idea? ::psyexplode:: Maybe I should have run for the CSM. Haha. :) Well, with the relevancy of the CSM freshly tossed down the shitter, why the hell not? If you campaign on the promise to make even more mockery of the CSM, you have my vote. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:00:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:If the entire CSM were to resign only Issler Dainze would remain... I don't think anybody would want to risk this.
Anyways there have been enough precedents for votes not getting reimbursed - Ankh who got kicked from he CSM mid term and Kalrand who withdrew his candidacy during the election (after the polls had opened) come to mind.
putting 10,000 vote into one basket instead of going for 2-3 candidates was always very risky and tbh I don't quite understand the reasons - maybe the eve public and CCP would not have reacted well to a CSM with 3 goonswarm delegates, maybe it was intended to be a show of force, maybe just a terrible misjudgment rgd the number of votes required to get chairman.
But I'm sure it will be entertaining to have the legitimacy of the CSM questioned for its entire term. It's not like anyone on the current CSM is going to interact or care about what Issler has to say anyways. Her and D3 are those two people in a room of friends that just want to fit in.
You say that csm legitimacy will be questioned, and I say it's already questioned. The question is out there and it's up to CCP and the CSM to decide how to address it. If they try to sweep it away and ignore it, no one will take the CSM seriously again. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:10:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:goons arent people 10000 votes are meaningless |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:13:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:This CSM has no mandate. It will be the worst CSM ever. Free tickets to iceland and irrelevancy. Great job CCP. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:57:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:I see goonswarm is invoking the great "do-over" rule that is prevalent in all major sports, elections and competitions.  Oh look, another bad comparison to RL. Never ever stop posting. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:01:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:I see goonswarm is invoking the great "do-over" rule that is prevalent in all major sports, elections and competitions.  Oh look, another bad comparison to RL. Never ever stop posting. Hurrrrr, ohgod im a ******* terrible shitposting asshat You should really go thrill yourself for the unironic use of Just saying. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:07:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:I see goonswarm is invoking the great "do-over" rule that is prevalent in all major sports, elections and competitions.  Oh look, another bad comparison to RL. Never ever stop posting. Hurrrrr, ohgod im a ******* terrible shitposting asshat You should really go thrill yourself for the unironic use of Just saying. Why so mad bro? I like how you kept my edited version of your post in the quote chain. Keep on shiptoastin' |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:25:00 -
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Badposters withstanding, what say you CCP? 10000 revotes? Redo on the whole election? Give the Mittani his rightfully earned normal CSM seat back? |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:48:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:Badposters withstanding, what say you CCP? 10000 revotes? Redo on the whole election? Give the Mittani his rightfully earned normal CSM seat back? Ah, so you are asking for a "do-over". Hey man, you can have whatever opinion you want but I don't think that 8 year olds like yourself should be posting on the forums without adult supervision. He rightfully earned his spot... and then rightfully lost his spot It's called consequences and HTFU and welcome to EVE I truly believe that The Mittani will get through this okay, I don't think he is a fair maiden in need of a brave knight to defend his e-honour Other people have been kicked off the CSM and you didn't care about a "do-over" then so you are not interested in fair play. You just want a "do-over". Well maybe we can discuss this more after your nap time. When did you start working for CCP? Yeah, to the back of the shortbus with ye badposting self. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:49:00 -
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Heet Crusher wrote:You voted and alternate will take his place. Maybe next time dont be a bot and vote for who you are told to but someone who has some sense. Can I vote for the length of time you are allowed to breathe? Hint: It wont be longer than 10 seconds. |
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