Revealing the exact location in a solar system of a kill could be revealing vital intel, such as safespot locations etc.

It might be a bit intrusive to some

I hope this is a joke, so now you are going to make it stupidly expensive to dec large alliances... Hmm wonder how did that get passed, did the CSM pass that one through i wonder.. Oh we can gank as much as we like wiht our large numbers but sorry we are going to make it super costly for you to war dec us...you have got to be kidding right?

Q: Price of war
A: The current formula is 20 mill (for corp, 50 for alliance) base price plus 500.000 per member in target corp. We're looking into some sorts of diminishing returns/cap, but nothing has been decided yet. We will not modify cost based on aggressor size as it is too easily gamed

BTW, at least CCP are aware that it makes no sense to penalyze players for being in NPC corps and right after they join a player corp penalyze them for being in a player corp... "Screwed if you do and screwed if you don't" goes a bit beyond being "not optimal".

Of course this solution makes sense on the assumption that people quit because they can't bully others, but that's one stretch of an assumption.

In my book, shooting those who can't shoot back is not PvP, but bullying. Spin that how you want.

Mkay, you're a troll. Ignored.

Ok now two questions for CCP

I work my 10 hour shifts, come home spent some time with my rl and than i have 1 or 2 hours to play eve. I like eve i don't like facebookgames or wow i play eve since the days of the Great Northern War. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Great_northern_war. Well my main char. I ve played almost the whole eve map

1) I like to run (for example) lvl4 missions refuel my pos to talk on ts with my buddies and relax. After those 2 hours pass i have to log out cause of whatever stuff i have to do in rl
Why the heck can't i run my lvl4 missions and refueling my pos while drinking my cup of tea, cause suddenly a 16year old wannabe pvper with his friends declares war on me?

I want to run lvl4 for those 2 hours and not to pvp. Why do i have to pvp the moment someone decides that i have to pvp

2) If i want to pvp i go to low sec or 0.0. I want to CHOOSE MYSELF what i wanna do and when i want do it. Why don't you let me choose myself

any link about CCP calling that "not optimal" and want me to move to facebook instead?

NPC corps don't work about what i wrote.

Wait if i want to choose myself when i pvp i have to stay in npc corps right? So its not allowed to have a pos for example because i want to choose myself when i pvp?

Does that means that i have to pvp when you choose that i pvp? Is it Captain Thunk online?

Besides you arent CCP.

ermm nope, what comes with inferno is not in the game since i at least started. Now if you hate playing spaceships stop trolling and go play the fancy BF3 that you bought. Oh wait you didn't answer one simple question if you wanna try read above

I'm a little confused. I mean sure I am not a fan of all of the changes and want the price system scaled differently, but some of the posters to this section.. well, you do know that there is already a wardec system in place right?

The people 'raging' against the very existence of wardecs, I mean that is a different debate all together is it not? Most of you I assume are from small industry corps. Are you currently being permadecced? Because you can be now - already - the mechanic already exists for wealthy pvp griefers to just come and keep you decced literally FOREVER. This mechanic exists right now, it's there.

The new system actually does two things: 1) makes it more expensive to dec you and 2) let's you get help.

Is this not an improvement? Seriously, I don't think people are going around deccing people just for the laughs of ruining some poor innocent high sec dude's day as much as you think. Or am I just empire-naive?

Argus

*headdesk*

If CCP didn't agree something was amiss, think that the game couldn't be improved, and wanted input from us lot, this thread wouldn't exist.

Pretty much disagreed with most of it. Article pushed what appeared to be EVE Uni's awful ideas for wardecs. Gives all the power to big blob entities and is another blow to small gangs and guerrilla warfare.

Doh, I wish i could figure out sentences like this:

"it can't be good for EVE that the best course of action during a war is to log off and play another game for the duration."

There you have it, CCP, better than how I could express it.

I like the scaling of cost with member number.

Why should it be more expensive to dec two 50 member corps over one 100 member corp?

Cost should include an imbalance factor, something based on ABS (aggressors total SP - defenders total SP) . This would penalise extremely imbalanced wars, which are either done to get killmails off noobs or disrupt the economics of large corps with minimal force projection.

The cheapest war should be an even fight.

The new formula is not on Sisi, it's still the old formula, we're still working on implementing the new stuff.

Actually a safe space where you can recover from losses is required in order for the game to function otherwise it will be possible to permagrief players into quitting and CCP is smarter than allowing that. EVE will then turn into a game of self-elimination.

The reason eve should accommodate "these people" (Do I get a feeling of bigotry here?) is they are a major part, maybe a majority, of the players, and hence a huge part of CCP income.

Some people just don't want to be in 0.0 alliances (gosh, 72% of them). It's a big time commitment, some people want more casual gameplay.

If by saying this you were talking about "0.0 alliances who rely on alts in safe space to prop their empire", i apologize for not being able to read your mind over the internet.

For those in Null who do not have such areas, they have alts in NPC corps in high sec.

Actually you were answering to my quote directly, context had nothing to do with this particular exchange.

Regardless at least I hope you are not emotionally abusive at home to your wife and kids? You seem like the OCD controlling type who also tries his hardest to hurt other people with vitriolic remarks.

I was simply genuinely concerned about emotional well being of people close to you.

But do they understand that the rest of the motivation for wardecs in hisec is poorly rationalized at fundamental level (forcing hisec players without POSes who do not want to fight into leaving player corps)?

Let me start by saying that I love the game of EVE. There are so many options and styles of play - posibilities are endless.

....those who pay 72% of the bill.

72% of the characters logged in were located in High Security Space.

Now, pick your poison:

- People log in their hisec characters Just For Fun (TM)
- Whoever logs in to hisec (3/4 of players) does so for business, so it's relevant that this 72% of hisec characters can do whatever business they do so their account holders keep paying 72% of all active accounts

Statistics: they're bitches, but don't just let anyone shag them.

Actually yes, you can say no thanks and unsub if you don't like it. You can do it at any time. I think you are confusing real life wars with wars in a computer game.

Well, war isn't war when i can't go to your home, shoot your head, **** your wife, tie her and your children to a girder and then set the house on fire so they burn to death. For an instance.

I mean, EVE is a game, and as all games, it has got rules; and by being a computer game, also does have software routines (aka mechanics) that determine what can and can't be done. And it all is pretty arbitrary, and the developers can decide which way shall they shape the mechanics and the rules for their greater profit.

CCP is misled in thinking that their consumers want this kind of "war" they're implementing with Inferno, but then they may be wrong, and may find out that their consumers stop being such consumers if they really get wrong what the players expect from the rules and mechanics...

Which multilayer spaceship game would you suggest?

He doesn't want to suggest anything. I think its becoming pretty obvious from the last 10-20 posts that this individual is very bitter and enjoys trying to make people he communicates with feel like ****. Almost every single post contains some kind of a condescending remark. Just ignore him.

* I think there are too many corps out there harassing other corps and the blackmailing will continue.
Wardecs should be fun, not harassment.