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Albadour Frenko
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Posted - 2004.06.20 20:44:00 -
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Would you buy a blueprint? or lots of blueprints or something else.
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2004.06.20 20:49:00 -
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i'd buy a scorp. Fit it for PvP. Get some insurance. Then lose it to the first rat i meet
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.06.20 21:05:00 -
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Buy an apoc for npc hunting and go kill some of new npc's. -------
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Kira Natel
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Posted - 2004.06.20 23:49:00 -
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Maybe put a downpayment on a future lab slot
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KingsGambit
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Posted - 2004.06.21 07:08:00 -
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If you're thinking of only something blueprint related...then it would depend on what BPs you currently have already perhaps. The one thing about a BPO, that is consitent for everything (except missiles built pre-patch) is that they keep their value if it comes to resell later. In the case of a researched BPO, it may even be worth more. But with the expensive BPOs, like cruisers, torpedos and the better industrial ships for example (battleship prints too, but in a whole different league), is the initial outlay, the time to research and the rate of return from profits/copies. In the safe systems, pretty much every thing already has a lot of producers. That's not a reason in and of itself, but competition would not help your profits either. In 0.0 space it's probably quite different, though many of the bigger corps already make everything themselves between them. With BPs for cheaper items, the investment is smaller, research faster, but then you'd need more slots maybe, and there's already not enough, and again, people will have them too, probably more people too. What you might think about, though it's a bad idea to other production oriented players, is get BPOs for things you use. You often find those are also things that other players use too, so as well as being able to put mined minerals to use keeping yourself supplied with whatever, you also have a BPO which remains an assett, and can produce items to sell for profit, and can produce copies to sell for profit (avoid selling high runs at discount because you will be creating your own competition). If the money isn't surplus, but just something you're toying with, I'd keep it till Shiva to see what that brings. If it is money specifically set aside to use to make money, trading is one option, and BPOs is another.
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.06.21 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Albadour Frenko Would you buy a blueprint? or lots of blueprints or something else.
Something else. Just look at how many bpc's floating around atm. Ship bpo's will take forever to pay themselves not to forget a cruiser bpo is required a month or so in research on mineral effiency before it start get worth build from or sell bpc's from as well.
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Albadour Frenko
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Posted - 2004.06.21 09:46:00 -
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Hehe, your answers are both funny and useful.
I suppose I am a verteran of Elite on the BBC micro (showing my age!)
In that you would buy grain because you didn't have enough money to buy anything else whilst filling you cargo hold and eventually move up to luxury items etc when you had the money.
I guess I feel I'm ready for the luxury items but not sure what they might be in Eve.
It also seems there is no sure fire way to make stacks of cash with no effort, and there maybe other things to buy when Shiva comes around.
Are there any minerals I should buy? I can easily make a profit on Tritanium but the quantities required make it too much effort for a 40 jump round trip.
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.06.21 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Albadour Frenko Hehe, your answers are both funny and useful.
I suppose I am a verteran of Elite on the BBC micro (showing my age!)
In that you would buy grain because you didn't have enough money to buy anything else whilst filling you cargo hold and eventually move up to luxury items etc when you had the money.
I guess I feel I'm ready for the luxury items but not sure what they might be in Eve.
It also seems there is no sure fire way to make stacks of cash with no effort, and there maybe other things to buy when Shiva comes around.
Are there any minerals I should buy? I can easily make a profit on Tritanium but the quantities required make it too much effort for a 40 jump round trip.
There is ISK in moving minerals, buy low, sell high. A lot of hauling required though. The more ISk you got to invest with the better minerals you can push around.
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Rodge
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Posted - 2004.06.21 10:33:00 -
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If I had 100million, I'd file a petition and ask where the rest of my cash had disappeared to!
I'm another person who originated from Elite and I play this game with my Elite tactics in mind.
As you've noticed, you can trade tritanium and make a lot. We had a few of our guys moving trit from Empire down to Curse at the weekend. Buying at about 1.2, selling for 3.2 and over. Nice amount of profit involved there.
There are plenty of luxury items, just gotta know where to find them cheap and where you can sell them for a lot more. Implants are a great example, harvester drones too. Named items are another luxury item, but it can be harder to make a profit from it if you're not the guy who actually went and earned them.
Being quick after a release is also a good idea. You may have noticed that you can now buy Cruise Missile launcher BPOs from the market. All of these are being sold by players who cleared the NPC market as soon as the servers came up after the patch. All of these guys are making millions as they were quick to spot there was a lack of supply of the BPOs.
You've just really got to get a feel for what people want to buy in the area. If you're in Amarr space and you see mostly Armageddons and Apocs flying around, you can guess that Tachyons will sell well, but Projectile weapons probably won't.
It takes a bit of effort to be a trader in this game, but it is possible and can be very profitable. But, like Elite, you gotta start small until you build up a good bankroll to finance larger transactions.
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Mophisto Nero
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Posted - 2004.06.21 12:47:00 -
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I would shed a very happy tear because I dont think I've ever had more than 4 million in my bank account. But then I've only been playing a month...
I've found that I am making a nice bit of money from selling scordite/kernite and then buying minerals needed to manufacture missiles and ammo. Rather than refining what I mine.
Though as I've only been playing a month.. I am still buying lots of skills and equipment and so only have about 400,000isk right now... Dont laugh you mega-rich guys!
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Albadour Frenko
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Posted - 2004.06.21 14:03:00 -
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Hehe, this is great, everyone is really understanding my question well.
I guess the more expensive mineral might be my best answer, until I'm hauling 100 Mil a trip (maybe I'd need an escort)
What mineral is best? I guess once you get above a certain price people don't need much so having 1 Million units of Mega is a big investment to recover.
I take you point about Trit, you can double your money but (like in Elite) one you can easily max out you cargo every time it means a lot of trips.
eg I have a nice little number with shuttles making 1000% (is that right?) buying for 10,000, selling for 100,000 on a 3 jump trip. but seeing as I can only carry 4 at a time it takes a long time to make decent money, in fact if I do the maths It might be better to fill with Trit!
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Albadour Frenko
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Posted - 2004.06.21 14:46:00 -
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Sorry Mophisto,
It does sound a bit grand doesn't it.
I have been playing for about 11 Months so I should have got SOME money by now, anyhow I didn't say I actually had 100 Mil sitting in the bank.
I also had 0.3 Isk for a couple of days last week
Until something sold.
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.06.21 15:12:00 -
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Wait for Meg. and Zyd to drop in Price, buy 50 Mil worth....then move it all to the center of empire space...wait for the price to jump up again...Sell it...make a profit..
Take the other 50 Mil...and buy as many Skill Books/BPO (Tech 1's) I don't have...and not worry about which Skill/BPO I need save for next...
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Narine
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Posted - 2004.06.21 16:13:00 -
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First i would not like to be scammed again out of 62 mil isk and then i would by a tempest and get some revenge... ______________________________________________ "I¦m not even supposed to be here!", Dante. |
Rodge
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Posted - 2004.06.21 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vigilant Wait for Meg. and Zyd to drop in Price, buy 50 Mil worth....then move it all to the center of empire space...wait for the price to jump up again...Sell it...make a profit..
Price speculation, I probably wouldn't advise it. Though it's certainly a nice idea. For one, your cash is tied up for a long while. Secondly, no-one ever knows just what kind of changes are round the corner. CCP may increase the ore respawn rates, for example, and there will be more mega on the market. The price is reasonably low at the minute (6.5K if you look hard enough), but it may not rise for a very long time.
The kind of speculation I'd like to have got a part off is if I had been around when harvester drones were trading for 25k each. And people would give a discount on that for large trades! Now they go for 2million plus.
Implants as well, 2 months ago perc and will implants were selling for 4mil, you could talk people into delivering them for 3.5! Now see if you can get either one for less than 12!
Mophisto, if you're planning on mining as your main source of income then you'll need to move towards refining as that's where the main money is. When I was in my starter corp, I used to get one of the guys with refining 5-4 to do my refining as we mined the same systems. Get a few friends together as a mining group and get one to train a few levels of refining and watch the money roll in!
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Phaethon
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Posted - 2004.06.21 16:25:00 -
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Buy the Research Project Management skill, train and wait a couple of months until you get a nice bpo like I did. :)
Production: Or buy max run bpc's for about 10m, use the rest of the cash to pay for cheap minerals. That is, find a region with enough miners and a lack of buyers, then buy mins low, produce with the minerals.
And here's the real hint. Haul your products close to or into 0.0 space and sell with a fair profit. Your main products would be battleship kit as well as high end frigate stuff.
Reselling or producing T2 might also be an idea.
Trading/Hauling Buy T2 components cheap. Small sale orders on the edges of empire, then haul them to areas like Yulai or the Nonni system, the latters seems to have evolved into something of the detroit of T2.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.06.21 20:07:00 -
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On the "be quick on changes"... I surfed the later stages of the components market explosion, within 3 weeks I went from 10mil to 100, after that, there was no top...
It all boils down to guessing the future trends and changes, my current bet is working AMAZINGLY good atm
So, I guess I'd file a petition too if i saw 100mil...
Enough ego-trips for today...
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Sicori Malaki
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Posted - 2004.06.21 20:24:00 -
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Buy BPC for Raven and Apoc, then spend the rest buying high end stuff then produce them and sell for double profit :) ______________ Only in the Tales that humans tell, do the hunters kill the wolf in the end.
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Albadour Frenko
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Posted - 2004.06.21 20:30:00 -
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Well, seeing as at least two of you are amazingly rich, what are your tips?
I don't want you to give you secrets away
How do you decide what to do? do you read the forum, follow channels - any clues would be helpful.
I find this game facinating, in that it models 'Real Life'tm I, like the last poster have stumbled on something that works, and whilst the money does sometimes take a week or so to come in, when it does there is a few mill to be made. This only works because I have invested ISK in the process and got the quantity up to a useful level.
As you say, once up to a certain level (as long as you don't go mad on a spending spree) you have the funds to buy lots more at the right price the system seems self sustaining.
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Mrmuttley
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Posted - 2004.06.22 09:21:00 -
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I played Frontier, Elite 2 on an old 486 PC when a 486 was cutting edge and i used to trade drugs because although i got caught and fined on a fairly regular basis the fine never came close to the prfit on a cargo hold full of drugs. you would make say 50000 profit and only get fined 3500 for the offence if you got caught
A while ago I traded minerals in Amarr space. I have good refining skils so i would place big buy orders in noob systems for veldspar and scordite. Then refine and haul the minerals out to where it sold for good prices. (read a few book while making cargo runs in a Badger 2 ) easy money for little more than having a big ship and a bit of capital.
Now I kill rats for a living so 100 mill would mean I could buy a BS use my current cash for kitting it out and insuring it and go kill bigger rats.
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.06.22 10:17:00 -
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I would buy out a corp. ____________ Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
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Rodge
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Posted - 2004.06.22 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Albadour Frenko Well, seeing as at least two of you are amazingly rich, what are your tips?
I don't want you to give you secrets away
I have a few hundred million put away for a rainy day, but I wouldn't call myself "amazingly" rich. Especially compared to some people I know who are billionaires!
I don't mind telling how I made my money. At first it was mining, my starter corp used to run corp mines where us newbies would make about 1million per mine. Then when I got my Moa, I mined kernite solo, making about 750k/hour. But mining is quite boring, so I got out of that game.
I used to trade in harvester drones. I found a fairly regular supply where I bought at 800K and sold at 1.5mil. Best thing was that both my buyers and my sellers were happy to come to my station to make the deals, so there was little to no effort in the whole deal for me
I also did agent missions. I found an agent who had a low amount of important mission templates available to him. I worked for memory implants and had a few in stock when the price rocketed and I started selling each one for 23.5mil, which is the price I still sell them at (and they do sell at this price in the right places!).
The Jove thing was another great one for me. When the announcement finally came, I still had some stock. But I still had made about 20million in total in trading jove pieces.
Now that I'm out in 0.0 space permanently, it's likely to be rat hunting and arkanor mining that'll keep the money flowing. Though I'm spending more time PvPing these days, which is a lot more fun than making money!
One of the great things about this game is that there is no single way of making money. Ask every multi-millionaire in the game how they made their money and no two are likely to be the same. Just remember that all the money in the game isn't worth anything, if you're not enjoying how you're making it.
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Barbicane
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Posted - 2004.06.22 22:23:00 -
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One way to "invest" 100 mil is to buy a couple of cruiser BPOs, research them to a suitable ME (15 should do), make and sell copies until you grow tired of it. Then sell the BPO. If you suddenly find that you need the money, you should be able to sell the BPO for at least your purchase price at any time.
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Mophisto Nero
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Posted - 2004.06.24 12:27:00 -
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In reply to the posts directed at me, after a month I suppose I am doing ok. I have a couple BPOs, but have made most money from selling light missiles, heavy missiles and hybrid ammo.
The profits made when compared to just selling the minerals is very healthy and yesterday made my biggest sale... *drum roll* 500,000 for iridium ammo! Horrah! Peanuts to you people, but i've only dedicated myself to manufacturing for the past 2 weeks.
And while the sales are going on, I have found much joy this past week with Agent Running for the Amarr Navy! Spent about a million on fitting out my Omen, but now I can do his kill missions with ease and am earning some nice cash from it. About 2 million in a week. Not a fast rate, but it great fun and the sales of missiles/ammo keep the flow of money coming while I have fun.
If any of you want to help out a "n00b" and want some ammo/missiles for your large-ass ship. Then drop me an evemail! I'm happy to produce to order hehe maybe even deliver if you protect my beautiful ship in 0.0 space. (Production efficiency 2 weeks from being lvl 5)
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.06.25 19:48:00 -
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Quote: If you had 100 Mil what would you do?
Three chicks at once.
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Cindy Goodwill
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Posted - 2004.06.27 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Albadour Frenko If you had 100 Mil what would you do?
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Mophisto Nero
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Posted - 2004.06.28 18:55:00 -
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So many rich people... while I bust my guts trying to break into the ship building game...
** Holds out hat and mumbles "spare change, my luv?" **
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Domalais
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Posted - 2004.06.29 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mophisto Nero So many rich people... while I bust my guts trying to break into the ship building game...
** Holds out hat and mumbles "spare change, my luv?" **
Stick with ammo/missiles. Sell in the right areas (choke points to 0.0) and you can make a 100% profit.
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Zarina
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Posted - 2004.07.01 09:23:00 -
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Albadour Frenko,
To become mildly successful in your local market area, you have to keep up with the events going on in that area. You can do this by talking with people or reading forums or just look at the map.
Next, you need to get an idea of what type of equipment is in demand. Do you have alot of miners or maybe alot of pvpers? Maybe you have both. You can use the above method or you can use the market interface.
In the market interface, when you select the green button on each item, you see supply/demand/history. You can look at each item's history to get an idea on how many units and at what price each item has been selling at for a period of time. You can compare this history with the supply of that item in your area. If you find too many suppliers, you may not wish to build that item as your margins may be low.
Another thing to keep in mind is location. Pretend you're a customer coming into that region from the various entrances. Most people are inherently lazy so they will be more likely to buy their goods at one station rather than move all over the region.
Try to think what these people will need and have all the various items available in one place. It doesn't even have to be dirt cheap prices either. People are willing to pay more on some items if it can all be picked up at once.
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Zarina
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Posted - 2004.07.01 09:23:00 -
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Albadour Frenko,
To become mildly successful in your local market area, you have to keep up with the events going on in that area. You can do this by talking with people or reading forums or just look at the map.
Next, you need to get an idea of what type of equipment is in demand. Do you have alot of miners or maybe alot of pvpers? Maybe you have both. You can use the above method or you can use the market interface.
In the market interface, when you select the green button on each item, you see supply/demand/history. You can look at each item's history to get an idea on how many units and at what price each item has been selling at for a period of time. You can compare this history with the supply of that item in your area. If you find too many suppliers, you may not wish to build that item as your margins may be low.
Another thing to keep in mind is location. Pretend you're a customer coming into that region from the various entrances. Most people are inherently lazy so they will be more likely to buy their goods at one station rather than move all over the region.
Try to think what these people will need and have all the various items available in one place. It doesn't even have to be dirt cheap prices either. People are willing to pay more on some items if it can all be picked up at once.
Being successful requires some research and alot of luck. I hope this gets you into the right mindset towards starting your business. |
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